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Towards Featured Article status
Before we push the article to Peer review - a step that should always be taken before the Featured Articles Candidacy step - , we need to 1) preserve a neutral point of view ; and 2) extensively provided references for every paragraph in this article following Misplaced Pages:Citing sources guidelines. --Loremaster 14:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
About See also
According to a Misplaced Pages rule of thumb: 1) if something is in See also, try to incorporate it into main body 2) if something is in main body, it should not be in See also and therefore 3) good articles have no See also sections. --Loremaster 01:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC) Shalom Loremaster,
- Articals explaining offical Misplaced Pages policy have "see also" sections.NazireneMystic 00:13, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- I know. However, I have a spoken to Misplaced Pages administrators about this issue and I've confirmed that this rule of thumb is an unofficial policy that is highly recommended. --Loremaster 02:07, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Toward Peer Review
I am now satisfied with the 12:03, 10 September 2006 version of the article. --Loremaster 17:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- I am also satisfied with the 12:03, 10 September 2006 version of the article. I will initiate the peer review process. Thanks Loremaster, for your efforts to make this article into a candidate for featured article status. Ovadyah 18:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- You're welcome. --Loremaster 19:37, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- I will continue to make some minor edits to the article but nothing that will change it's structure or core content. --Loremaster 17:27, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
See Misplaced Pages:Peer review/Ebionites
- I have just made a series of suggestions here Slrubenstein | Talk 20:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you. --Loremaster 21:39, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Loremaster I suggest we reserve this page for disussions relating to peer review and follow-up work resulting from the peer review. I suggest moving the last two sections discussing editorial changes made prior to the peer review to Archive 2. I would move the rant about changes to the archived pages to Archive 1, where it can be combined with all the other POV material. Ovadyah 02:05, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed. Done. --Loremaster 02:27, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
- Its interesting that actual discussion about changes to the artical you call rants. then archiving it by moving it to a different section only makes for confusion. Do smoke screens and confusion work in your favor?NazireneMystic 00:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- Whether they are rants or not, I only archive discussions that have ended and disputes have been resolved. Anyone can easily find and read the archives so my acts cannot be interpreted as some attempt to limit your freedom of speech. --Loremaster 16:11, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
The peer review has been archived. It contains several ideas we can use to improve the Ebionites article. --Loremaster 14:26, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
The Way Forward (from peer review)
Now that we have taken a bit of a break, I thought I would get things rolling. UberCyrix had some questions about sources as follows:
1. There are some claims in there that definitely appear sketchy to average readers....like...."Accordingly they dispossessed themselves of all their goods and lived in communistic societies"
2. "While Ebionites undoubtedly drew their doctrines from ideas circulating in the 1st century CE, Judeo-Christian origins scholar Robert Eisenman argues that they existed as a distinct group from Pauline Christians and Gnostic Christians before the destruction of Jerusalem," among many others.
Can we identify the sources of these entries and provide citations? Any others? Let's nail down our source material before we take on organization and style issues. Ovadyah 01:04, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- 1. Jewish Encyclopedia: Ebionites
- 2. Eisenman, Robert. James the Brother of Jesus: The Key to Unlocking the Secrets of Early Christianity and the Dead Sea Scrolls. New York: Viking, 1996
- --Loremaster 01:46, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. That was quick!
How do you feel about UberCyrix's other suggestion:
The section Ebionite writings should be written in summary style, not lists. Same thing with the Sources section.
There is content overlap between Sources and Writings. The summary style comment may reflect a preference for inline citations. Ovadyah 03:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- The rationale for summary style is that the length of a given Misplaced Pages entry tends to grow as people add information to it. This cannot go on forever: very long entries would cause problems. However, I don't expect the Sources and Writings sections to grow. However, I have no problem with these sections being merged. --Loremaster 06:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)