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Hi.

I am loking at the University of South Florida "STANDARDS FOR DISCIPLINARY ACTION" and "Computer & Network Access Agreement", Account Certification Statement points. Specifically;

• 4. Use computing resources for private profit, or for promoting a religious or political group.
• 6. Using facilities, including printers, for junk mail, mass mailing, or non-course-related work etc

Look, the bottomline is substantiate your allegations. You can't. And so the personal attacks are going to be remove again. See, Discussion History.

For the record, Luis Alberto Riveros; M.Ed, MS, MCSE is lying in those unsubstantiated allegations. He did not send a private email, he posted it all maliciously on a public forum - which is where I read it and presumably there is a cached copy. Maliciousness is not a divine or peaceful virtue, so where is his integrity? If I was him, I would be running back to Waddy to take Shrimat on all this double quick.

The pair of you have a choice. Play by the Wiki rules and everything goes nicely. Break the rules or be silly attempting your BK whitewash and I won't bother putting in a complaint to the Wiki admins but I will put a complaint into his faculty at the University of South Florida, College of Visual & Performing Arts for his misuse of the institution's Information Technology in line with the agreement above quoting IP addresses to promote the secretive Doomsday, End of the World, Nuclear Holocaust Cult that he is a recruiter for and making personal attacks to defend. As far as I understand, he was invited to continue posting on the forum but did not take up the offer.

I am absolutely sure, given the current environment within America, a cult member who writes on a number of different webforums that, "the bombs have been created and are going to be used" ( revealing said .edu IP address) and believes that God Shiva is inspiring the "science proud Yadavas" to make bombs to destroy the world will alert the highest authorities. Unfortunately, we have the Murlis and we have the inhouse teaching aids and we know it all.

Now, if I were you, I would be a lot more concerned about;

• why the BKWSU were at pains to cover up the Child Sex Abuse ring operating in at least two of Indian centers, including the headquarters of Madhuban, that sexually abused numerous young girls?
• why the pedophiles that committed these crimes were not reported to the police and brought to justice as, say, the Roman Catholic has finally starting to do?
• why they were allowed to remain in their positions for several years despite the problems being known?
• why they attempt to re-write the BKWSU sex abuse incident as a mere allegation rather than an actual incident and blame it on the child?
• why the BKWSU took great pains at a teachers training session in the Oxford Global Retreat Centre to attempt to cover up any connection between child sex abuse and the BKWSU - WITHOUT INFORMING THE BKWSU RAJA YOGA TEACHERS THAT SEXUAL ABUSE HAD ACTUALLY TAKEN PLACE?

If you want citations, we can given. The BKWSU even wrote this down on the handouts.

Funny enough, I am reading the ad in " New Times Naturally" and it seems like Luis is a bit of a name and fame BK. I don't see any mention of Raja Yoga or the BKs. But that is typical of them these days;

"Postive Thinking. Luis Riveros Improve your life and change the way you feel. Wed Sept 13, 7-8.30 pm, FREE 7520 W Waters, Ave Ste 5 Tampa, Reserv 813-334-7424".

My friend, I do not think that you know what you are getting into. 195.82.106.244 01:26, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

And you know what Bud, I'm 100% sure you all you have to do is have a quiet word with your bbsysop sockpuppet and the whole world could see the awful full extent of Ayvakt7's maliciousness. I'd be interested that's for sure, as from the dialogue that's somehow survived your pruning, he is as courteous as you are plainly not.

searchin man 23:27, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Right. And Luis Riveros believes and teaches - which is what the BKWSU behind the facade is really all about - that;

• dinosaurs lived 2,500 years ago,
• that evolution is a constantly repeating and identical 5,000 year cycle (which God used to teach it was going to be all over in 1975/76)
• in less than 30 years we will be making babies without making love indeed that baby Krishna must be on his way any day now
• that 6 Billion are going to die during a Nuclear Holocaust to make way for their heaven on earth (although God used to teach there were only 5 Billion human souls)
• God possesses a little old Indian lady to meet his superior Brahmin caste only,
• everyone else on the planet are Shudras.

Fine. Keep it coming. These beliefs are on a par with the Heaven's Gate cult but - who knows - they may be true. The problem I have is that the multinational, UN associated BKWSU is hiding these beliefs behind a veneer of "Positive Thinking", "Self Management" and "Values" classes designed to draw people in. Just like the ones Luis teaches.

Now, tell me if I am wrong in any of these assertions. Do you need the BKWSU citations - oh, sorry, I have already given you them - or are we just ignoring the facts and focusing on the personal attacks instead?

So where do you fit in? Are you a BK Brahmin or a just a Shudra contact soul that he uses to do his dirty work? Or his devotee for the next Copper Age? Has he got you marked as "Baba's child" and for becoming a Brahmin in the future or just a bhagat? Is he just "serving" you now until the day you become a "serviceable soul" too?

Ask him. If you don't know it, that is how these people are think.

195.82.106.244 13:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Bud, I've a pretty good handle on where your comin from, just looking at some of your performances on your own forum. When I've time I'll post back here, give you a better idea of where I'm at.

searchin man 23:10, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I had another question for you and BK Luis.

Baba says, the Confluence Age is 100 years long. And the BKWSU is celebrating its 70th Anniversary this year.

He also says that Krishna and Radhe will be crowned Narayan and Lakshmi when they are 30 or 35 years old. And that Krishna will be conceived, virgin birth style, by the power of Raja Yoga. If Luis has been in Gyan anytime he will be able to confirm it.

So would means that somewhere BKs must be giving virgin birth to baby Krishna, Radhe and a whole load of Golden Aged deities, this year even ... so how and where is it happening? . If you need the citations, you know where to get them?

195.82.106.244 01:14, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Cheer UP!

Some times bliss may be of our own making, truth found our own voice and delight our finest moment!TA@2006 Sweet TatorTalkAbout 04:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Please State facts, discuss the facts and elevate the discussions

Searchin Man,

I think we need to elevate the discussions here and stick with the facts/tenets/beliefs/history. Personal attacks towards me are not warranted and frankly I am starting to believe that my first impression was correct:that you are in fact Avyak7. So, lets, try and be civil. I am not going to get into squabbles with you, nor anyone else. So, if you want to continue a positive link then take the approach of one item, issue at a time. PEACE TalkAbout 08:28, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

searchin man,

Listen, things have not been quiet around here and I have some other things to address. As to not attacking me yet! Wow...not very Brahmin would you say. As to the "Old one"....answering? Don't know of what you speak of. I always sign in as TalkAbout, don't have multiple issues and yes, I find I am younger than most in spirit. So, patience....what is the hurry? The World is not going to end, just like in 1976. Still here...

So, you never stated what you were searchin for? Look in the mirror...truth is within!TalkAbout 01:39, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Long-time Wikipedian

OK. We have a long-time Wikipedian drop in, post-Luis's complaint and my reply to it.

Read what he has said. And let's start the real work.

Thanks. 195.82.106.244 02:01, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

So the Attacking Begins

searchin man,

Truth be told it is Sad Mouse that moves me with all the editing....don't even know if it is a Micky or a Mini. As to the hat I did have a farm....! So, please once again stick to the points....of discussion and not personal attacks! See, no wonder you got Missy all upset! Ever read about the Dirty Little Ole Man that no one suspects of sending Dirty e-mails.......yes, you are edging close there. As to Mr. Well, See, truth be told I don't know who is or is not. Didn't pay close attension was it Miss Avyakt7, if so I am sorry. I now have come to believe it is an ET All....to many to count. If I knew you wanted an e-mail response to harrass me I wouldn't have given a response. I did believe you when you said you wanted to work for the good, and in good will. I was mistaken! But thanks to you I found the link while going through the files on one site myself.TalkAbout 02:18, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.

TalkAbout 02:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Grasp of truth

If you are going to slap prejudicial insults about in public, tell me what has the "grasp of truth" got to do with cleaning off the crud on my discussion page so I could read the new stuff?

Do you have any ability to perceive the difference in the scale of references between doing so and misleading the lives of 1,000 or even 10,000s of people by covering up, e.g.;

• failed BKWSU 1976 Destruction predictions
• the 40 year Confluence Age BKWSU prediction
• the child sex abuse at the BKWSU headquarters in Dehli and Madhuban
• Sevak Ram's role at the start of the BKWSU Yugya
• the organized physical beatings with lathis being lashed out at the PBKs by the BKs?

Just take any one of the issues, ask the senior BKs, and then come back to me and tell me if I am wrong. There is more to come too. And I can provide the citations.

Tell us honestly, how much of the BKWSU Raja Yoga course did you actually do? Did you get as far as the Cycle or Murli or just do the general intro stuff? How far do you actually follow BK Maryadas? You said 5 years association with the BKWSU, did you see the BKWSU headed notepaper where Lekhraj Kirpalani is clearly refered to as a medium?

Does this count as citable? 195.82.106.244 22:23, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

No way could I hope to compete with you in the insult slapping stakes. I was merely pointing out the sort of reaction the Wiki RC_Patroller provoked in his attempt to restore the entirely valid warning tags that other users had made]. You have quite a history of removing or altering the comments of others that you deem to be ‘crud’. ] ] ]]

Given your clear fondness for ‘pruning the crud’ in the wikipedia, I would not consider anything sourced from your own website to be useful for the purposes of citation.

And I have already openly disclosed my relationship with the BK. For example see my comments here: ] ]. Actually a little surprised you haven’t publicly exposed me as with bkSimonB and Riveros11. Maybe a soft spot for me as I’m not quite ‘One of Them’! Try reading some of the papers by Wallis or Howell/Turner, should give you an in-depth insight, into the wide and fluid variety of BK membership patterns. searchin man 03:24, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

It is not clear, what are you? A "contact soul"? An ex- or failed BK? Part-time BK or BK laity? Have you done the course and do you follow the Maryadas?

Luis cited sources are full of stuff about channlling and mediums, I am happy to work with them. Unlike you I have had the privilege of being in on the inside during the early days of Western service. Like any product, the real thing tastes entirely different from what it says on the outside of the label. Nevermind some second hand point of view of what the label says. What was up there was the truth. The BKs know it. You might not. You don't strike me as being particularly soul-conscious or Brahmin.

BTW, did you know about how Dadi Janki has her own bank account? Now, ask yourself, how does someone that never worked all her life, that is supposedly unpaid by the BKWSU, that sits encouraging all her followers to surrender everything to Baba, wages, houses, dowries, actually have a bank account with money in it? Do you think any academic has gotten anywhere near stuff like that? Frankly, I really think that you do not have a clue.

Funny thing is, I have to say, I respect any BK over you because at least they know the score and are walking their talk; getting up at 4am and attempting to practise divine virtues. I suppose even Waddy and Luis think that in some way what they is doing is somehow "divine". Although I can see. It just looks like a dishonest cover up of stuff the BKWSU does not want the pubic to know until they are well and trully "intoxicated", a PR whitewash.

Did you see the letterhead where it clearly mentioned Brahma Baba as "medium"? Does that count as a citable reference? It clearly mentions "Destruction" as well ... and how we had to fight Luis's denial of that.

195.82.106.244 07:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Comments to arbitrator

Hi.

out of decency, I'll cc you in on this discussion as you are working with Luis on this page. But, hey, look! Jesselp erased all his Discussion page ... shall we stick him for it!?! Or is it one sauce for the goose and another for the gander? I am egalitarian myself.

Personally, I'd be careful how you are setting the BKWSU up for a fall within the public domain by pursuing these issues in an unfair and dishonest manner. In my opinion, matters really ought to be handled in a fair more subtle and delicate manner - and, of course, "taking the task ahead ... in an organized way and as per rules" as BapDada said. I take it you know who BapDada is?

We still have to address the matter of channelling and mediumship. I am happy to wait until arbitration is over as the sources given are inarguable. You will have seen the headed note paper by now, I take it. I do not know how deep into BKWSU you are but here is a lot more to come, citable with references, which is why they are become so aggressive in their denial. I am just waiting for the arbitrators' opinion.

Thanks. 195.82.106.244 10:09, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I don’t see Jesselp or anyone else in this discussion group removing warning tags from their talk page.

Thanks for the warning though, guess if I’m not careful I could end up getting a commendation on the brahmakumaris.info news page!

Infact it took more than a month to even secure an NPOV tag, and even if that was all I achieve for the article, then it’s still a whole lot better than it was.

As for BapDada? I think that would be the ‘Spook(s)’ you refer to in your forum postings.

As regards the channelling, I voiced my concern with the way it was originally presented here ]. Riveros11 has since included a quoted reference, indicating where channelling is believed to take place. And I’m fairly sure further reputable third-party citations could be supplied, if any further emphasis on this aspect is required. searchin man 03:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)