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Danny (Tourettes Guy)

This is a joke. Why did you delete this immediately? Have you no brain? This is more popular than Numa Numa and LeeRoy Jenkins, and both of those are wikipedia articles. Check yourself. You Misplaced Pages admins are a joke. You must get hurt every time an article is made. You should be ashamed!!!!!!!! Talk to me about this, we are not finished. Sportsguru9999 22:39, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree, Tourettes Guy is better than you! 75.31.102.186 22:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

The deletion review system is completely flawed, we tried putting under the deletion review already. Here is what happened: Those for overturning Tourettes Guy gave many points for overturning that made a lot of sense and proved that the deletion should be overturned. However, there were obviously more admins that flocked over to each say the same thing, that the AfD was valid. It offered no value and no proof that it should stay deleted. I guess since so many admins followed each other and were offended by having an article like this, the concluder, also an admin, decided to endorse the deletion. I hope you see that this is completely flawed, and another AfD should be created, because the already concluded AfD's are unfair, and the Deletion Review article was unfair. I hope you read all of this and that you will discuss this with me. As you can tell I am very stressed out by the fact that Tourettes Guy is not an article. Sportsguru9999 23:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. I am really frusterated with wikipedia admins, and you are the first to help me in any way. I know that there are thousands of you, a lot of which abuse their power. I hope something can happen for this. Thanks again. Sportsguru9999 23:08, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Bah

I came here to award you an Anti-Vandalism Barnstar in relation to your efforts protecting Virtuti Militari the day it was a "Today's FA". However, I see you've already been given an A-V Barnstar today, and I don't want to be responsible for your head exploding. Suffice it to say, your efforts are both noticed and appreciated. Thanks for your dedication! PS - The one thing that drives me crazy is the number of times I've lost edit conflicts to you while RC Patrolling; dang you are fast! --Doc Tropics 23:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Give an article a chance

Yeah, that's what I was going for. Thanks! Kurt Weber 00:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Survey Q

Have you ever been to the southern hemisphere, click here to reply.AstroBoy 01:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC) Deadline for entries is December 15th

Super Bowl

You're a genius! Obviously that's why they pay you the big admin bucks! I should have thought of that myself. -- Jim Douglas _(contribs) 04:29, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Do they have like secret initiation rituals? Yeah, I think I've seen that cabal's work recently on Saddam Hussein and Donald Rumsfeld. Strangely, they never seem to have the time to stick around and clean up the vandalism that starts up the instant a target article like that is unprotected. -- Jim Douglas _(contribs) 04:35, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Can you please check into the recent vandalism of Misplaced Pages pages for bands Long Shot Hero, Last Martyrs of a Lost Cause as well a page I did on lead singer Christopher Irons. I guess someone who doesn't like the band keeps going in, deleting things and changing details. It's one of the few articles I have finally learned enough Wiki to make and it's annoying that it keeps getting messed up. Thanks in advance for your help

71.224.251.119 10:01, 11 November 2006 (UTC)evan!

Please help a new editor...

Can you please check into the recent vandalism of Misplaced Pages pages for bands Long Shot Hero, Last Martyrs of a Lost Cause as well a page I did on lead singer Christopher Irons. I guess someone who doesn't like the band keeps going in, deleting things and changing details. It's one of the few articles I have finally learned enough Wiki to make and it's annoying that it keeps getting messed up. Thanks in advance for your help

71.224.251.119 10:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)evan!

Thanx for ur kind advice, I will not do this in future

sorry —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gauravs100 (talk • contribs) 11 November 2006.

Hello

well I am not frustated but that guy User:Wknight94 had tagged the pictures taken by me for sppedy deletion Now I think that wikipedia is just for reading purpose and there is no use in contributing to it.

I thought moderator must be polite in his working but User:Wknight94 doesn't fullfill that criterian finally to say that moderator must act like you not his way

Thank you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gauravs100 (talk • contribs) .

First, thanks Luna Santin, for reverting the vandalism to my user page. Gauravs100, you're welcome to contribute constructively to Misplaced Pages. So far, your contributons amount to a blatant spam article, four orphaned images, and numerous vandalism edits to my user page. Those are not constructive. —Wknight94 (talk) 13:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok wknight94 I got ur point. Sorry for editing your page many times actually I got furious. I am thankful to you to make me aware that my contribution are under the category of vandalism. In future I will definitly try to contibute constructively Take care bye —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gauravs100 (talk • contribs) .

User:Thor-ax the impaler block

Thanks for blocking this persistent vandal...Just curious: Was there a reason you didn't plant something on his talk page? Jay Maynard 13:41, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the block. Maybe this will get his attention. The Freakazoid! page has to deal with a fair amount of this (and a lot more before it was semi-protected); that particular bit of vandalism is a 4chan in-joke. I monitor the page regularly, and post warnings and request blocks for those who vandalize it; it's nice to know that the requests get results. Jay Maynard 18:19, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

User:24.150.148.91

That anon keeps making personal attacks on me, and writing bullshit in my talk page. Can you do something about that? Maybe you could block him. Thanks Mitsos 18:01, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

fyi

FYI the Willa Holland editor has been making disruptive edits since late this morning and has been reverted several times. Matthew Fenton (talk · contribs · count · email) 19:19, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		You've beaten me to the punch many times tonight, congratulations! Will 19:41, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

By the way, I have a request for you. Can you history merge T.I.M.E. and The Inner Mind's Eye? Will 19:44, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

what is the trouble mate? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ankurjain (talk • contribs) 11 November 2006.

thanks - sorry, if i was being offensive! Ankur Jain 19:58, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I used to do this when I was an admin myself, and it's easy when you get the hang of it :) Will 19:59, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, that's not even funny :( Will 20:21, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you for the extra feathers on my wings! Thank you so much, Luna Santin, for your support in my RfA, which passed on November 11, 2006, with a final tally of 82/0/2. I am humbled by the kind support of so many fellow Wikipedians, and I vow to continue to work and improve with the help of these new tools. Should you have any request, do not hesitate to contact me. Best regards, Húsönd 20:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

82.18.125.110

I just came across User talk:82.18.125.110 where you allege that this anonymous editor made legal threats. If his comment directly above yours is the only instance in which he/she allegedly made legal threats then you are failing to assume good faith and you really need to leave them alone. I would ask that if this is the case then in the future you will take a step back and think before you edit. If there was another instance in which the user actually made legal threats then I apologize for wasting your time. KazakhPol 20:41, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Checking out

Hi Luna,

You seemed to take an interest in goings-on with the conspiracy crowd. So I thought I'd drop you a note before I took a long break to tell you my views. I see a very unfortunate dynamic taking hold on Misplaced Pages, and there will be no way to stop it. There's no point in an RFC or anything else, because I well know what the typical attitude will be.

In my opinion, there is a wolfpack mentality in parts of Misplaced Pages. A group of editors with a similar outlook scour Misplaced Pages for articles they don't care for. Post notice of it on boards and to each other. And then swarm en masse to either AFD or completely re-write to their POV over-whelming by numbers any other editors there. A good example is Operation Gladio where multiple editors have suggested that the only valid sources are CIA press releases, about itself.

Admin Seabhcan has gone on break, apparently out of frustration about that, as am I. There's really no point in trying to hold a discussion when you know what the outcome will be, because of sheer numbers of people whose outlook you already know. Missing from the debate is one of the key elements of NPOV policy: we don't adjudicate what the facts are, we report what people say the facts are. That includes notable people other than the CIA, especially scholars.

There is no doubt that this group of editors has purged some bad articles. However, that would have happened without the 'pack' aspect, so it's no justification. There have, however, been some perfectly good, notable, and well-sourced articles which have been or have very-nearly been deleted because of this. That's judging from the 'votes' of people not in the conspiracy crowd. I actually personally agree with their viewpoint on the underlying facts of Gladio; however, I don't agree with the heavy-handed way they want to make that personal view the 'truth' in the article.

There has always been a certain element of people taking note of what others work on. That keeps wikipedia lively and healthy. But, a line has been crossed, where calling in help, either explicitly or implicitly, seems to be the primary dynamic. I've certainly been in situations in the past where I would have liked to call in some friends who I knew would likely share my views of an article. I almost never have in a legitimate disagreement, because it seemed thuggish to me to win by force of numbers. I often agree with the views of this group, but the methods I cannot stand. The phenomenon is broad, and will become broader. I've seen it in Israel/Palestine, abortion, and so on. Essentially anything people get emotionally aroused by.

The irony is, of course, that the anti-conspiracy theory crowd would paint me as just a wiki-conspiracy theorist. I'm not; I'm an economics professor with lots of experience in game theory. And so I recognize a dominant strategy has emerged, which is probably not in Misplaced Pages's interest. At any rate, I've gotten so worked up about this the last month that I've let my actual work lapse. There is nothing here for me but annoyance at the moment, and zero prospect of reform. So I'll take a few months off. Thanks for being the subject of my venting. Derex 23:11, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Another FWIW

A while back, another editor claimed on your talk page that I was POV-pushing, and cited various conflicts with other accounts. Well, there's been something of a dénouement. If you are curious, then check that editor's list, and see just how many of those alleged instances of my POV-pushing prove instead to be conflicts with

• Suspected or Now Confirmed Sockpuppets of Grazon (See also my remarks to J.smith.)

You might also look at the subsequent career of Will314159, since my accuser's edit war against me at the article on John Murtha was an attempt to preserve intact an edit by Will314159. My accuser's belief that I was POV-pushing is an artefact of his own, intense POV. (I do not all believe that he is himself a sockpuppet; I merely assert that he wears large blinders.) —12.72.70.78 00:08, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

user block

i still dont understand why my user(Zman132) has been blocked, its not my fault my brother is an idiot, why cant just his user be blocked? i completely understand that you are just doing your job but i believe that i have something to contribute to Misplaced Pages. unlike my brother, i view Misplaced Pages as a valuable resource. Zman132 00:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Unblock

Thanks alot Luna Santin for unblocking me, I owe you one. Kelvin Williams 01:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

for reverting the vandalism to my talk page. I hereby present this mini-barnstar: *

:) Gzkn 01:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

autoblock problem at 218.186.8.13

Hey. Per unblock-en-l discussion, it looks like an autoblock of Hinomaru6 (talk · contribs) caught the IP address 218.186.8.13, which turns out to be in StarHub Cablevision shared IP space in Singapore, and caught Syed Ahmad Al-Joofri (talk · contribs). Can you do the right thing to the autoblock so it's not catching bystanders?

Thanks! Georgewilliamherbert 02:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Help! My User name changed!

Hi, I've noticed you as an active and tireless admin and was wondering if you could help me...

My user name is (was) NinaEliza. My user name has been CHANGED mysteriously to NinzEliza. What is weirder is that all responses to me who have addressed me by name have had the name changed from NinaEliza to NinzEliza. I'm CERTAIN my name was NinaEliza! I feel like I've gone through the looking glass! Can you help me? Thanks in advance! NinzEliza 02:56, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for catching the vandalism to my userpage. That's the problem with mass-warning users with VandalProof, they get ticked off and start messing with your user and user talk pages. Thanks again, ^demon 06:15, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Access

Hi Luna

I am a little confused because I haven't used this system before but when I made an attempt to edit or contribute to a subject, I was told I was banned and I can't recall ever having used this before. What's worse, I've been told I'm a vandal. Can you help me understand this. I have looked up the reasons however, can find nothing that relates to me here.

Regards,

Roy

Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University

Hi.

can you unprotect the Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University? There was a vandal from the Galgary University making offensive statements but my guess is he/they are long gone now.

Thanks. 195.82.106.244 07:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Appreciated both ways. 195.82.106.244 08:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Dear Luna Santin, I would like to request for user 195.82.106.244 to obtain a user name. This suggestion was previously asked by admin RHolton to user .244. It was not observed. I feel that user .244 is the main contributor on this page and thus, it would be a good idea to keep this in mind. It was a real "hassle" for me to get to discuss with different IPs coming from the same network (Univ. of Calgary.) Thsi will make things easier to deal with. Also, I would like to give some info to you about this page.

As the talk page shows in the archives, users "195.82.106.244", "talkabout" and supporters would like to use materials which belong to Brahma Kumaris which by definition are not considered "reliable sources." Besides, even if these materials were used by user .244 and group of supporters, these materials were being used in a highly biased way, in a detrimental way towards the organization which they pretend to use to "inform" the public thus, it could never be considered "self-serving" but rather contentious.

There is a point that I would like to stress. Articles which belong to an encyclopedia must be non-biased. User 195.82.106.244 and supporters being the originators of this article do not fit this category. They were "ex-Brahma Kumaris" and by definition, biased. As a matter of fact, user.244 has a public website located at: www.brahmakumaris.info which notably portrays an antagonistic vision towards Brahma Kumaris. I thought, I should mention this to you Jossi and Sethie as a background for your help in keeping this article as non-biased as possible. That is the reason why academia has been highly quoted in the majority of this article. It is non-biased research. Thank you and look forward to hearing from you. Best Wishes, avyakt7 16:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

List of characters from Family Guy

Hi there ... I think you stepped on my edits and did a revert while I had two edit windows open to do a copy&paste from one section to another ... part of the article was deleted, and it's followed by an edit with no comment, so I suspect that I closed one by mistake.

Anywho, please check my edits that were not apparent vandalism, and let me know if you agree with my changes to the "Real and fictional guest characters" section ... my current "quest" is to get some of the cruft out, and if a character is cited in more than two scenes, then I think that they should be bulleted items. That's why I did the Adolph Hitler reference that way. Note that I tightened up and added links to the Adam and Eve paragraph, which had been under "Supernatural characters".

Somebody added Gregory Peck to "Other characters" ... please see my comment at Talk:List of characters from Family Guy#Real and fictional guest characters page about adding them to the the correct section with a link to the episode ... I don't remember this cutaway (or what episode it was from), but I wikified it and moved it instead of just deleting it, per WP:BITE.

Like I said, "My bad!" ... it was an accident, not vandalism ... second time it's happenened to me this week, BTW ... I must set a limit on how many changes I try to make in one session. —141.156.240.102 (talk|contribs) 09:38, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, gotcha. No problem, that sort of thing happens. For my part, I just saw a big removal of text without a summary, so reverted and moved on to the next edit to check (sounds exciting, I know). Looks like your edits are good, so keep it up. :) Luna Santin 09:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Kewl! Here's my plan to combat cruft ... if the entries are ventilated, (a) it points out the ones that lack a citation, and (b) it encourages editors to find and add the episode link.

Please see List of characters from Family Guy#Real and fictional guest characters as an example. The Abraham Lincoln section now has a link to at least one of the episodes, and it's a lot more concise. (I also used it to anchor links for "cutaway" and "flashback".) You can see that the last two entries under Adolph Hitler have good references ... In "Episode Xyz", this character ... I'll try to "cleanup" the other four entries when I'm in a fresher state of mind.

My next Major Task is that some characters (like Tom Tucker), do in fact have more than one entry in the list ... he is currently under Tuckers and Channel 5 ... alphabetizing some of the sections has brought this into sharper focus, and is helping to eliminate duplication of anecdotes.

I also need to move a lot of the cruft from Adam West to the Family Guy page for him ... any character with their own page should be pruned down as much as possible, with absolutely no cruft. —141.156.240.102 (talk|contribs) 10:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

A request

Hey, would you mind protecting a page for me? I can't because I'm somewhat involved in the dispute. Thanks! Khoikhoi 09:57, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, Steel already took care of it. Thanks anyways, Khoikhoi 05:09, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Userpage

Hi there; thank you for reverting my userpage. I do a lot of NP patrolling, and make a lot of enemies. I am therefore all the more grateful to my friends.--Anthony.bradbury 21:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

User talk:76.168.210.190

Duh! I forgot about 3rr. Thanks for that. --Guinnog 22:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Personal attack intervention

I just have no idea what a personal attack if it isn't calling someone a racist. I kept it short, I got asked for more, I post more, and get asked to post more, saying it will support my case, then when I comply I get told it's too much.

This is pure and simple adminstrator bias towards Tajik.

No matter how foul he bahaves, no matter what he says about Turks, about Pashtuns, no matter how many people he calls a racist, me, Turks, anyone who isn't an Iranian, it's not a personal attack when Tajik issues it--but administrators block people who act towards Tajik, just like Tajik behaves towards everyone.

I backed down. I tried discussing the matter in a civilized matter. I asked for help from the mediation cabal. I posted a warning on Tajik's talk page (which he deleted and posted on mine). I tried following the rules, and all I get is Tajik being given carte blanche to continue personally attacking any one and every one on Misplaced Pages who doesn't consider Afghanistan a state of Iran.

Administrators are willing to block other editors when Tajik asks for doing to Tajik exactly what he does to me and others, but no one is willing to block Tajik for calling people a racist, saying that that is allowed on Misplaced Pages.

KP Botany 22:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

So, this is fine in Misplaced Pages:

"Or any other Turkish nationalists in here who have been depanted so many times, not only by me, but also by others?!"

"you are STILL fully supporting his racist and POVish opinion"

"stop supporting racism."

"sympathy for the Taliban."

"rv ... provide credible sources instead of messing up the article with hot air from your belly"

Not a single proof of my racism, simply character slander without any supporting evidence. This is a personal attack. He's calling me a racist, not my remarks, because he can't quote a single racist remark I've made, because I haven't.

I bet if I called him a racist, he could get an administrator to block me in a second.

I'll be sure to use exactly his tone and language and words on all my future edits of the pages he thinks he owns, instead of bothering with dispute resolution, since it's not required of Tajik, and he mocks me for using it.

And I got the message that warning templates can't be use on administrator's pets, either, because they can just delete them, along with being encouraged to ignore WP:dispute resolution guidelines and mock editors who waste time using them.

KP Botany 23:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I included them, just like you show, after spending an hour reading the wikismog about them.

I get it now, though. Tajik can do whatever he wants, and I have to follow dispute resolution processse to give him something to mock me for, so adminstrators can then tell me, "do this," and scold me for doing what they told me to do, ask me questions, then put me on the spot for answering their questions, for providing details they asked for.

It's no wonder the Afghan articles read as if the nation of Afghanistan is merely a state of Iran, anyone who tries to correct the misinformation will be told to play by the Misplaced Pages rules which don't apply to Tajik.

I'll be sure to throw the term 'racist' around as often as Tajik so I, too, can win friends and influence people instead of trying to be civilized and talk to them about the articles themselves.

I'll also, just like Tajik, just remove any warning templates anyone puts on my pages. Although, I've learned my lesson thoroughly about following Misplaced Pages dispute resolution processes. I may be dense enough to think that in general when people act in a highly uncivilized way they are up to no good, but I'm not stupid enough to fail to see how advantageous this is on Misplaced Pages to the person throwing "racist" and other words around.

Name calling it is, far be it for me to waste my time on a higher and more civil standard, even when it's actually the normal, easiest, and most trouble-free way that people normally do things.

KP Botany 23:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Please cut it out. This is no longer funny, and I would think an administrator would have something better to do. KP Botany 23:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Luna Santin, anybody please...!

Could you please get in touch with me--I have some important issues and I am new to this sort of communication. Are there real people with real names or is everyone hiding behind some sort of galactic Star Trek sounding nickname? I have posted a real story on the Marilyn Monroe fraud. I have worked on this for thousands of hours over the course of an entire year. The fraud has successfully been stoppedna dn now is part of Marilyn Monroe--histry. Do you understand that? The lawsuit is going to happen on May 7, 2007. People need to know about this and they also need to find out what I learned about June DiMaggio. Please help me with posting this--anybody --please help me with this.

I do not know how to do this the correct way. So laugh at me and make fun. But please-- post it here where innocent kids who like to read on and about MM--also will read the warnings about the fraud and the other side of the estate of MM.

My article was supported by newspaper articles from the LA Times etc. I am not making anything up here. I would be ahppy to speak to anybody about this.

I could also submit some images that I took of the scam.

mailg4@gmail.com Blessings! 76.168.210.190 23:08, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

The block lasted somewhat longer than 24 hours, for some reason, but I'm okay now. Should I remove the tag from my talk history? I know one is not supposed to remove anything except vandalism from one's talk but I don't want to confuse anyone. Badagnani 00:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Jinxtengu

Oh hi man. Keep up the good work and all that. Just wondering i got myself a new user page perhaps you would like to add some constructive criticism?

~~Jinxtengu~~

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