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April 2019

Hello, I'm Rsrikanth05. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Chernobyl Exclusion Zone have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the help desk. The reverted edit can be found here. Rsrikanth05 (talk) 08:54, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

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Please ensure you are familiar with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continual disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. -- Rsrikanth05 (talk) 08:57, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Please don't change Kiev to Kyiv

Consensus at this English Misplaced Pages is to go by the English spelling, which is Kiev. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:49, 25 April 2019 (UTC) Victor sunsay (talk) 09:57, 25 April 2019 (UTC) oh, really? That is russian word. But may be this can be a proof for you https://twitter.com/UkrEmbLondon/status/1095658352242278400

Or something like this https://www.theguardian.com/guardian-observer-style-guide-k

Consensus on the Misplaced Pages says Kiev, not Kyiv. We're talking about the English Misplaced Pages, not The Guardian. Also please sign your posts after your message and start them on a fresh line. --Rsrikanth05 (talk)

Victor sunsay (talk) 08:57, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

You know, Rsrikanth05, in my understanding the Misplaced Pages always was an unbiased resource and definitely was not a propaganda media, but media that reflects reality.

We can spend hours to argue, but Misplaced Pages people can consider few simple things.

Ukraine, as a territory, had many invasions from Mongols, Ottoman Empire, Rzeczpospolita, Russian Empire, Germans, etc. All of those invaders have own names for UKRAINIAN cities.

Yes, Russia enslaved Ukraine for years and was more successful in that business than other. Russians changed most of ukrainian city names to their own russian names. Like Kyiv to Kiev, Rivne to Rovno (there is the article with that russian name Rovno Ghetto), Kharkiv to Kharkov, etc. They even changed original city names to names of russian leaders, like Luhansk to Voroshilovgrad, Mariupol to Zhdanov, etc.

But you can't deny that Kyi is the founder of KYIv City.

Like Romulus is the founder of Rome City. By the way, the russian name for Rome is Rim and you will never accept it in your language, because English has Latin roots from Ancient Rome. :)

English-speaking person will never accept russian name for New Zealand: Novaya Zehlandiya, or Kentookie instead of Kentucky

I understand, that the root of the issue with KIEV, that most of you, people, had no any imagine, that Ukraine even exists 'till the recent time, because the whole territory was the Great Mother-Russia in eyes of foreigners, despite that Beatles "Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out" in the Back in the U.S.S.R. song.

Nonetheless, Misplaced Pages has changed easily many of ukrainian city names to their proper names, like Kharkov to Kharkiv, Nikolayev to Mykolaiv, Kremenchug to Kremenchuk, Chernigov to Chernihiv, etc.

And why there are so many speculations and insinuations for Kyiv ...

The Guardian and the note from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Ukraine) were just examples that something has been restored to it natural state and Misplaced Pages doesn't accept the truth. --Victor sunsay (talk)

Misplaced Pages is NOT the place to Write Great Wrongs. We work as a community and actions are based on collaborative consensus. Not 'propaganda' as you claim. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:44, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Victor sunsay (talk) 11:19, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

And how your "collaborative consensus" is correlating with other UKRAINIAN cities name correction (Kharkov to Kharkiv, Nikolayev to Mykolaiv, Kremenchug to Kremenchuk, Chernigov to Chernihiv, etc.)? There is obvious discrepancy in an approach. --Victor sunsay

I'm an Indian and many Indian cities still have their older British names in their articles. These are done thru a discussion on their talk page. If you have an issue with Kiev, then head to Talk:Kiev and start a new section. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:38, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Victor sunsay (talk) 12:07, 26 April 2019 (UTC) I used to work with guys from New Delhi and Chennai and we had really good understanding each other, because your people endured so much from brits as mine people from russians. Anyway, धन्यवाद/நன்றி. अलविदा/மீண்டும் சந்திப்போம் --Victor sunsay

Victor sunsay (talk) 13:50, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Your whole post above is propaganda. What we use is the most common name in English, and, absent that, we use an Ukrainian name properly romanized. Ukrainian government is not in a position to determine the usage of names in English. It can make illegal using certain names, and this could have legal effects in Ukraine (to be precise, in the part of Ukraine controlled by the central government) but not elsewhere. Concerning the most common usage, we had once this discussion and found out that most names of Ukrainian localities have no common usage (hence Chernihiv, Kharkiv, and Kremenchuk), but Kiev and Odessa do, and we are using their common names in English, despite having every couple of weeks nationalist Ukrainians explaining us what names we should be using,--Ymblanter (talk) 13:05, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Can anybody explain why that russian person has insulted me and my country? Does that congruent with Misplaced Pages policy? --Victor sunsay

ANI topic

Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Victor sunsay: nationalist pushing, casting aspersions, and NOTHERE

At your service--Ymblanter (talk) 14:39, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

April 2019

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You have been blocked for 31 hours for personal attacks against another editor. If you engage in further personal attacks, the next block will be longer. This is a collaborative consensus-based project and your behavior so far is not acceptable. Cullen Let's discuss it 15:28, 26 April 2019 (UTC)