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Your message about User:Editor at Large

Mr. Weys I am totally shocked and appalled at your lack of sympathy for our friend. How can you suggest to someone that is obviously grieving to naff off, we don't have time for you here unless you are ready to work. You need to apologise. Pynopoulous 05:31, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Good luck getting him to. —  $PЯINGrαgђ  Always loyal! 05:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello Cyde,

I just wanted to drop you a personal note to say that I understand what you wrote. I know that you are just a very honest person, and I respect that; however, in a case like this a note such as yours could very well be enough to push someone with a mental illness (because that's what it is) and tendencies such as mine over the edge. People with depression often feel totally alone and as if the world doesn't care about them; this feeling of rejection and solitude is what often makes them suicidal, as they feel as though nobody cares and nobody would care if they were gone. Suggesting that someone with this condition should take a break and "come back after you've sorted out your personal issues" as "it's just really not productive when we have this kind of thing spilling over onto the administrator's noticeboard" doesn't exactly make them feel loved (which I know wasn't your intention).

I completely understand your statement that it isn't productive, and I apologise profusely if I'm causing disruption. I just hope you understand that leaving right now would take away something from my life that at this time is desperately needed, and would likely cause me to fall apart inside. I tried, for the very reason you mentioned; but I care about Misplaced Pages so much that the stress of not knowing what was happening to the articles I watch and whether people were trying to ask me questions was too much, only inducing another depressive episode which very nearly didn't end well.

I know, I am a total mess right now. You can't imagine how much it bothers me to know that I'm unproductive and am taking people's time away from things more important than myself! I used to be methodical, productive, and logical; now I'm emotional, mixed up, and totally worthless. I know, however, that things take time; I'll be back in fighting form sooner or later. Until that time I will try to keep quiet and not bother you, and keep my mental problems to myself. You are right, they don't belong here.

Again, I am terribly sorry if I caused disruption or grief for you or anyone else. I certainly never intended it, and will certainly do my absolute best to prevent it from happening in the future. Please accept my sincere apologies. — Editor at Large 11:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Cyde, hope you don't mind me butting in here. Editor at Large, please don't keep your feelings to yourself. Even if Misplaced Pages might not be the best place to talk about things (you will encounter many people who feel like Cyde does - I do to a certain extent), please do find somewhere to talk about it (e-mail and other online forums can help). Do remember though that finding the right place is important - finding the wrong place to talk to people about things can, as you've found, make things worse. Work at building up a support network, including your Wikipedian friends, to help you through the bad times, and don't rely too much on any one person or place for support. Hope that helps, and for what it is worth, you seem more logical, methodical and productive than some people I know! :-) Carcharoth 11:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify: I didn't actually talk about what happened here on Misplaced Pages. People asked but I only told them through e-mail if they e-mailed me first; the explanation was just because people were (very) worried and I wanted to let them know I am and was okay. I'll delete it in a week or so, after people read it. I don't want it up forever, trust me!
People left supportive messages for me after I left, but they found out on their own and I never told them directly. Any edits I made to my userpage were meant for myself in forgetfulness that people watch it. I don't mean to shove my problems on anyone else, in any way, and would never in my right mind post something like that for all to see.

I'll try to stay in my right mind for the future. :-) — Editor at Large 12:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with above, basically telling her to "fuck off until you get yourself together" (albeit not as strongly) isn't nice. Will 12:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey, fellas! We're building an encyclopedia here, not running a crisis center. Anyone who was concerned about helping EOL should have been trying to get her help in real life. -- Donald Albury 16:30, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

And I suppose you would not have cared if she had done something drastic?? —  $PЯINGrαgђ  Always loyal! 18:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

It is ill advised to try to diagnose and treat someone over the Internet, particularly if you are not trained in dealing with such problems. If someone is threatening suicide on the Internet, the proper course is to try to identify the individual and then contact local authorities. I personally would not try to intervene in such a case on the Internet because I am not trained in how to handle such cases. -- Donald Albury 23:30, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Identify the individual? More likely than not without the individual's consent?? That would be a serious mistake. And the local authorities can't keep someone from killing hself. And I was not trying to diagnose anything…in fact, for the record, I have no medical training and wouldn't want to. —  $PЯINGrαgђ  Always loyal! 23:47, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Eh, as someone involved in the incident, I have to say - let it go, guys. People view different things differently, and this is a sensitive issue. I don't think we should trivialise it by discussing it here. Sorry to add to your message backlog, Cyde, but this discussion can go nowhere. riana_dzasta 17:37, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

FYI

Just a heads up that one of your pages has been nominated at MfD. Newyorkbrad 22:52, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

NYCS templates

Since you brought it up originally, I was thinking of the template merging you proposed. We have a template called {{NYCS service}}, and I was thinking we could use this for the subway services. For example, inputting {{NYCS service|Q|Q}} would render Q. See, the 1st parameter is for the subway service, the second is for the same purpose, except in some cases there are diamond services, producing <7>, and the third parameter is for services that don't run at all times, producing 5 . So that's it. I launched a discussion at the WP:NYCS talk page like this so we won't have to have a whole bunch of service templates. By using a switch template, it will make the others redundant. The infobox would have to be reconfigured, but I think that a template like this would be necessary so we can reduce the overload of the templates on the category page. If you have questions, contact me on my talk page and post your thoughts on the WP:NYCS talk page. --Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 22:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Reverse ref. converter

Hello Cyde, I've got a bit of a problem. I've been taking {{Infobox ethnic group}} template info and converting it into full fledged templates. See Persian people and Template:Persian ethnicity. Unforuntately I'm running into the <reference /> in templates bug. I don't know of any workaround other than to convert the refs into the {{ref}} and {{note}} system. Doing that by hand would be prohibitively tedious and so I'm wondering if you either know of another workaround or if you might have a reverse converter. Looking forward to hearing back from you. Thanks. (→Netscott) 23:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

What is the references in templates bug? Are you referring to what happens when a template contains its own references, and is then transcluded onto a page that also has references, thus fubaring everything? --Cyde Weys 00:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Exactly... as mentioned here. Any suggestions? (→Netscott) 01:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The thing is, I'm not really in the mood to make a reverse converter because I'm afraid it would be used inappropriately. How many templates are we talking about that have references in them? Is it really such a huge problem that can't be tackled manually? --Cyde Weys 04:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Well it's not that big of a deal...I was thinking that you might already know of a workaround or have already produced something along these lines. This idea was a sort of pet project of my own and I wasn't really wanting to have anyone else having to go out of their way to help. Thanks for your responses. (→Netscott) 06:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

You might ask User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters, I recall that he started working on some sort of ref conversion that worked both ways after he saw mine. --Cyde Weys 06:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

"reference converter"

Hi, Cyde. I was directed your way in reference (ha!) to a converter for the ref tags. Ideas? I have a bunch of articles I could convert (street racing comes to mind). Thanks, alex ... aa:talk 02:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Those aren't references though, those are just external links. Yeah, you could use ref tags and such and display all of the external links at the end of the article, but there isn't really a point. Human intervention is still required, tracking down where those links point to and writing up proper references. While you're doing that you can easily just wrap that in ref tags. I don't see the need for a bot to do it. --Cyde Weys 04:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you look at an article like street racing (which I overhauled a couple days ago), you'll notice that I was using the "external link" syntax instead of the "ref tag" syntax. I used it in such a way that it appears as foot notes (the product of xyz is fifteen), where an external link is a directly supporting source. This make sense to you? Maybe if there was a quick "guide" for doing it, I could just started doing that from the outside. I prefer the ref tag appearance (and function!), but the external link method is a lot quicker to write. mahalo, ... aa:talk 17:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

It sounds like you don't have a problem with references at all; you just don't know how to use citation templates correctly. Unfortunately, that's not something that can be done robotically ... it requires a human to go visit the link, figure out what the site is, then include the appropriate information in the citation template. --Cyde Weys 03:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Weekly interview/roundtable?

Hi!

You may or may not be aware of the Misplaced Pages Weekly podcast, which is now approaching its eighth weekly episode, on which I'm a regular presenter. This episode, we'd like to cover the Esperanza dispute now that the dust has had time to settle, and would very much like for you to come on the show to talk to us about it. We'll also be inviting a few representatives from both sides of the debate and post-debate reorganisation to provide some opposing views.

All that would be required are a microphone, a reasonably fast internet connection, and a free copy of Skype. We'll likely be recording at around 1500 UTC on Saturday, although feel free to suggest an alternative time if this wouldn't suit you. You can also join us in #wikipediaweekly on FreeNode prior to the podcast. Thanks for your time, and I hope you can join us on the weekend. :) Daveydweeb (/_review!) 22:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Sure, that sounds like fun. Ping me on IRC as the time draws near so I don't forget. --Cyde Weys 03:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Lists of Half-Life mods deletion review

You may want to read the "Comment as closer" above your reply. --Pizzahut2 12:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)