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Evidence presented by Daniel E. Knodel, M.A.

Repeated and persistent false accusations

Accusations of inpersonating other editors:

• Editor edgarde has falsely accused me of impersonating other editors by using puppets (i.e. Misplaced Pages:Suspected_sock_puppets/Devalover), as indicated on the Request for Arbitration.
• Edgarde personally acknowledged that his accusations were wrongfully made , when he responded on my talkpage to advocate Fred-Chess reporting the results of the puppet review.
• Even after the results of the puppet charges showed that I did not use puppets. Edgarde continues to persists with these accusations .
  
• Edgarde has also made these accusations of other editors using puppets , , & .

Accusations of being paid off, promoting myself, & campaning:

• On November 7, Edgarde put a flag over the links, and said I have a "vested interest" in the topic, so I reconciled with him and I thought the dispute had been resolved. I first interpreted this as an act of respect, but later discovered he was accusing me of being paid off .
• In his Request for Arbitration comment Edgarde says that my motivation for editing the sex tourism page is to 1) promote a view that will defend my link to Sly Traveler, which he says 2) is my website. This is not true, because Sly Traveler is not a website that I control, and my contributions to this page have accounted for multiple view points. I began introducing the principle of respect for customs of foreign societies based on the terms of their own culture, which is conceivably a neutral point of view. But I became more involved on the page when I was treated with such disrespect by Edgarde as he continuously removed my contributions completely with his repeated daily reverts.
• In his Suspected Sock Puppet page, Edgarde constructs some sort of conspiracy theory, accusing me of being involved in a secret campaign with editors who disagree with him. It's no surprise that the results of the puppet review charges do not support the existence of a secret conspiracy campaign.

Accusations of inserting a link to a website that I control:

• It is not true that I control any of the websites that I have described as pertinent to the topic throughout our discussion, and have gone into greater detail in the Discussion about Sly Traveler section of the Sex Tourism Talkpage

Accusations of inventing my own definition, and doing so for my own benefit:

• Though I began with a more general definition, I have compromised with Edgarde over the course of the discussion. The opening section of the sex tourism page that I ask for in the Arbitration Specifications section of Sex Tourism Talkpage undeniably asserts a neutral point of view that is both informative and accurate. I don't see how this would benifit me more than anyone else.

Disrespectful treatment toward other editors

Insults

• On October 31, Edgarde insults the link I wanted to add as a reference to the forms of sex tourism that I describe in the discussion. He calls it a "commercial spam link", when it is in fact not a commercial website. As a result he attempts to dismiss my edits completely.
• On October 31, after various attempts to reason with him, Edgarde insults me by stating "My main issue is with your definition, which is disingenuous nonsense."
• On November 3, Edgarde responses to my revision of our definition and the introduction of a Dispute Resolution section, calling it "nonsense".
• On November 22, Edgarde insulted me with the following comment when he declined my request for mediation: "I just happen to be the only one foolish enough to respond to his disingenuous nonsense on this page."

Rude Behavior

• On November 3, Edgarde posted a claim to end the dispute with a link that I was told to use. I followed his instructions, but found that it was only a rude trick to delete all my edits. .
• On November 22, Edgarde attacks a new editor who supported that a distinction be made from child sex tourism, accusing him of impersonating me in a rude manner. Edgardes words were "Mr. Knodel: put the puppet down. Answer the questions."
• All of Edgarde's false accusations agaists me and other editors who do not support his view point have been done with disregard for good faith.

Lack of knowlodge on the topic

• Edgarde has demonstrated that he is unfamiliar with the terms pertaining to this topic. On November 7, I had to make a Misuse of terms section on the Sex Tourism Page in order to explain such terms as pedophilia, age of consent, and child abuse.

Biased reporting

Daniel E. Knodel, M.A. 03:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Evidence presented by edgarde

Puppetry by Mr. Knodel

Misplaced Pages:Suspected_sock_puppets/Devalover

Denied repeatedly. — edgarde 03:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Automanation

Can someone please do a Checkuser on Automanation (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), who keeps reinserting his "Female Domination" site in a fashion similar to Mr. Knodel, also deletes useful links, and offers similiar WikiLawyering defenses. The site's different, so I suspect Automanation is just a copycat. — edgarde 03:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

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