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Re:How do I post edited Articles.

I'm not exactly sure, but you have contributed to a few articles as seen here. Your edits are indeed being saved. I'm guessing that perhaps instead of clicking the "save page" button below, you might have clicked the "show preview" button? Is there any special article on which your edits were not saved? Did you check the article's history (by clicking the history button on top)? Perhaps someone must have reverted your edits. Please let me know. -- thunderboltz

Your posting to the Village Pump (proposals) page

Hi Nadirali,

Thanks for your posting about Star Trek and Star Wars to the Village Pump (porposals) page. Unfortunately the page you posted to is not an appropriate place for discussing the content of these articles. Please bring up your concerns on the articles' talk pages (i.e. Talk:Star Wars and Talk:Star Trek) instead. Also, when you add a message to any talk page, please sign your comment by putting ~~~~ (that's four tilde characters) at the end; this automatically gets expanded to your signature and a timestamp. Thanks, Gwernol 15:58, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Star Wars articles

Please stop changing the category titles for the Star Wars films from "science fantasy" to "science fiction". Lucas has stated in many interviews that the films are not science fiction and this has been accepted in recent years by the general media. Sources for some of these can be found in the A New Hope article. Thank you. The Filmaker 18:02, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

• Please, the fact of Star Wars "science fantasy" category has been voted through on a number of FACs regarding the prequel trilogy. All prequel trilogy films are now featured articles, they are considered to be the best on Misplaced Pages. If you wish to dispute the category, do so in the talk page of one of the films instead of simply changing the article to your liking. On Misplaced Pages we work by consensus, and the majority of editors believe that Star Wars is "science fantasy". However, if you have suitable reasoning as to why it should be changed, please state it in the talk page and we may agree with you. Thank you. The Filmaker 15:48, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Dont forget to add Saudi Arabia's flag

Thank you for contacting. I have been to Saudi Arabia. You are absolutely right about ‎their behavior with Pakistanis. Personally, I think all Islamic scripts should be removed ‎from all the flags like Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. And OIC could ‎pressurize them. When someone desecrates these flags, Islamic scripts on them are also ‎desecrated.‎ Szhaider 16:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Your Star Trek concerns

Sir, I have read and noted your concerns on the Star Trek main article talk page. I am not going to call you a "moron" outright, although I may just question your motives in this case. This is not a reflection on your intelligence nor your capacity for rational thought (which it would be if I did call you a moron), but rather a rebuke against your provocative statements on that talk page which are clearly calculated to incite.

Star Trek is science fiction because it involves a narrative setting which differs from the present-day real world in terms of technology and futurology. The futurology aspect is "scientific" because the narrative specifically invokes scientific advances and discoveries as the motive force behind the development of society to the state seen in the stories. That is, economic and religious factors are negligible or absent factors in the narrated future as depicted in Star Trek; the characters do the things they do because they have more advanced scientific and technological knowledges, resources and tools than we do in this present day. This is axiomatically "science fiction".

You have - fairly, in my opinion - cited examples of storylines and narrative events which appear to have no scientific basis, eg Charlie Evans. However those things, whilst better classified as fantasy in their own right, do not alter the classification of the whole as science fiction. The characters in the episode Charlie X travel in a starship and do many other things which are science-based fiction.

You provocatively cite something which clearly irritates you personally, being the outrageous claim of Trekkies that the cell phone was invented thanks to Star Trek. Bringing up this one example - which is refutable by simply pointing to Get Smart or to Dick Tracy - diminishes your attempt to puncture Star Trek's scientific credentials, because you specifically failed to refute it. You merely trashed it, which is not a valid argument. It is well documented that the scientists and inventors of today have found inspiration in the fiction of the past, of which Star Trek is a part. The enthusiasm of Trekkies to promote the importance of their own in this process is perfectly understandable, and should not cause you any unease. If you don't agree with such fan statements, then good for you. I also think the importance of Star Trek in the development of late-20th century technology is overstated - the Apollo Program had many times the degree of influence.

I am disturbed by this statement of yours -

- because your frustration (at being unable to engage Star Trek fans in a debate) clearly blinded you to the fact that you were the first to give a lecture. If you wanted answers, you should have asked a short and constructive question instead of sprinkling your lecture with merely rhetorical questions. "Where's the science in that?" is not a question seeking information, it is a rebuke phrased as a question and will usually not encourage meanignful answers.

This statement was buried in your lecture: I'd like someone to answer what Star Trek has to do with science at all. I conclude here by saying, I hope you now have a good answer, and that you can live with it. Darcyj 13:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

It was not my intention at all to provoke any Trekkies or to trash Star Trek in any way.(The only trashing it deserves is it is exagerrating the "science" in it or better "abusing scientific terms and concepts" as Dr Micheal Wong puts it.).I only provided a long list of examples,so my point is understood better and not rebuffed as a "lecture". True,Star Trek may have science in it but the magical elements are too significant to go unnoticed,(as I stated almost every episode and not just charlie X has it)which is why it should be classified as science fiction/fantasy. The "unease" that I have is that people(especially gullable people) who are not too well educated in science and mathamatics will start precieving Star Trek to be reality as Trekkies always promote it to be.I believed all this much before I even stumbled accross Dr Wong's page.(Whom by the way has recieved death threats and threats of injuries from Trekkies for the things he proves). I never said Trekkies are not allowed to promote their enthusiasm.Trekkies can call themselves Hitler lovers for all I care.But crossing the line is where they try to impose their beliefs that Star Trek is "science" or "the future"(thus misguiding people) or that "Star Trek rocks compared to Star Wars"(That's a POV by the way).Give me a break. Please you spelled meaningful as meanignful.So before checking others' minor spelling mistakes,please check your own.Nadirali 00:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali (just erase my statement from the Star Trek talk page if it still "disturbs" you)Thanks.

Deleting from your own talk page

That is not true. Please take a look here. Thank you. --Ragib 01:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Reply

Thanks a lot for your message. You are free to edit any page, however, discussing major edits is always a good idea. As for your talk page, it is better to archive talk page contents. See WP:ARCHIVE to learn how to do that. After archiving talk page contents, you can remove old messages from your talk page.

Welcome back, and I hope you will have a productive time in Misplaced Pages. Thanks. --Ragib 01:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Please do not delete content from your talk page

Please do not delete other people's comments on talk pages. It is considered vandalism, and you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages if you continue in this manner. Even if you don't like their opinion, please be civil and remember that they are entitled to it.

Please note that I re-reverted some major changes I've made to this page after reading your recent conversation with Ragib. I appreciate that you seem to be more conciliatory now than you have in the past few days. I hope you remain that way.

I had initially restored a number of posts to your talk page that you have removed, but then reverted that (and several warnings that I placed on the reverted page). I strongly encourage you to restore them yourself. Censoring your own talk page has a strong air of bad faith to it.  Erielhonan  03:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

you seem to be mistaken.......

Nadirali, you seem to be mistaken about why I did not apparently sign my name... You see, I am new to wikipedia, and I did not realise that i needed to use the "4 tills" method to show my username.... I was waiting for a reply, and when I didn not reciee one, i was informed of the system. Also, about me writing funny things on your user page, i am now wondering if you seem to think the truth is funny...... about your "pal" as you keep on saying, UNre4l, I dont think that you had any business whatsoever interfering in our talk, perhaps you need to learn to keep your big nose out of others business.Finally, may I question why you keep on delting my commemts to you, both on the india and pakistan talk pages? Funnily enough, Unre4l did the same thing.. pakistan custom is it, denying others opinions, or rather the truth.... And regarding your comments about deleting my comments not being vandalisng, i suggest you read your mail from a non- south asian adminstrator...he says otherwise.

Good day, and JAI HIND!!!!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumarnator (talk • contribs)

Re:supporting the removal of the refferences of the Indus

Thank you very much. Just what I expected from you. Thanks again. Szhaider 18:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Re

Regarding this message, I'm a bit confused. I haven't posted any message to you about this. If you were referring to this message, note that it wasn't on your talk page, and wasn't directed to you. Thanks. --Ragib 05:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm too busy to go through the messages between Kumarnator and you, but a great way of stopping someone from messaging you is to *not respond to it*. Of course, if it is related to editing in an article, responding to it is recommended, but if you feel someone is sending you a message without any purpose, the best way is to refrain from responding to it. Thanks. --Ragib 04:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

you seem to be confused....

It seems that you are basing your "facts" on only geographic techinicalities.....For example the Assyrians came form the Arab Penisiula, but they are not Arab.....Just because some of the Indus may have sretched over pakistani land( which is rightfully indian) it doesnt mean that the indus is "home" to pakistan, it just means that the INDUS encompassed some land that many years later, in 1947, to be accurate shifted away and created some new country( pakistan). Secondally, you have mentioned that I used the word "pussy", to atleast 3 users. As usual, this was a Dr spin from you to try and make me look like some evil, stupid maniac!!! Though the people can see through you!!!Wow I didn't know "the people" have X-ray vision like Superman!!!-LOL Get a life, you're so pathetic!!!! Kumarnator 02:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Balochistan Conflict

You may have your opinion about the issue but thats what POV is. Misplaced Pages is not about representing POV of Balochistan people or Pakistani Govt. We need a NPOV approach for the article and what that user has done, isn't valid according to wikipedia rules. He/she may discuss changes, try to convert an article to NPOV but can't replace it with a POV essay. Misplaced Pages is not about essays.voldemortuet 22:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed that wikipedia should stay neutral on the issue.However the fact is that dozens have been killed at the hands of the army and that's what needs to be put on wikipedia'Nadirali 01:15, 4 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Moving a conversation to this page

Please stop editing your reply on my talk archive page. Please don't post on my user talk archive page, as it doesn't become available for other users to read.

I don't know why you felt the need to come in and say anything to me about your warning against the corrupting forces on Misplaced Pages, or about how South Asians and Arabs are conflated in many Western minds, and portrayed negatively. I really don't have any concern about your issue with corruption on Misplaced Pages, I just mentioned that your words and tone seem like you are on a crusade. I referred to your rhetoric as nationalistic because you have said things about Indians and Bangladeshi editors' nationalities being an impedance to their seeing the truth, or words to that effect. I don't have a problem distinguishing South Asian culture or language from Arab culture or language, and I don't have any bigotry toward South Asians (two of my very good friends are from India - one is a Gujarati Shi'ite Muslim, one is a Bengali Hindu).

Before you correct me on my statements above, let me acknowledge that I probably got it all wrong on both counts. Please grant me the right to be wrong, just this once.

If you want to continue conversing with me, please let's do it on your talk page. I probably won't respond to any more talk about corruption or nationalism though, because I don't find them very interesting topics, and I definitely won't respond to anything you post on my talk pages. Thanks, Erielhonan 01:45, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I wont respond to this till maybe tommorrow.Got a history assignment to finish.Due Wednesday.74.98.241.189 02:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Response to Erielhonan

Allright,I'll respond to the points you have made one by one. "Please stop editing your reply on my talk archive page.Please don't post on my talk archive page,as it doesnt become available for other readers to read." For your information,if I had no problem accessing your talk page and being able to see all the previous conversations that have taken place,I really don't see why another user would have a problem in finding them.

"I don't know why you felt the need to come in and say anything about your warning against corrupting forces on wikipedia ,or about how south asians and Arabs are conflated in western minds and portrayed negatively. Well ironically enough,I didn't know(and still don't know) why you felt the need to come in and say anything to me about violating the rules. Me doing that would be a loss for me,and I personally don't see how that would harm you in anyway at all.

"I just mentioned your words and tone seem like you are on a crusade." I'm really sorry that my tone sounded like I was on a 'crusade',just as I am sorry that anyone who is involved in anti-corruption committies and happen to share the same tone as me sound that they're on a crusade.

"I referred to your rhetoric as nationlistic because you have said things about Indians and Bangladeshi editors' nationalities being an impendance to their seeing the truth,or words to that effect." Then by your logic,my concern about too many police officers here in Canada being white and bullying non-white teenagers(particularly black)somehow makes me a nationalist. See nationalism here or here.http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nationalism No harm in maintaining your vocabulary.

"I dont have a problem distinguishing South Asian culture or language from Arab culture or language,and I don't have any biogotry towards South Asians." First off,I didn't know South Asians spoke one language or shared a common culture.Feel free to edit any SA articles that mention South Asia consisting of many languages and cultures or nations.I don't remember saying you had a "bigotry" towards South Asians .I must be suffering from memory loss.I have a doctors appointment on Sunday.I'll ask him to add a check for memory loss on his check-up list.

"Before you correct me on my statements above,let me acknowledge that I probably got it all wrong on both counts.Please grant me the right to be wrong,just this once." Before asking others to grant you the "right to be wrong",I suggest you allow them the same right,such as allowing me to be wrong about my user page being my own.

"If you want to continue conversing with me,please let's do it on your talk page.I probably won't respond to any more talk about corruption or nationalism though,because I don't find them very interesting topics." Actually I'm not very interested in a conversing with a person I never started talking to in the first place,but agree to limit it to my talk page if it must go on. I too,won't respond to anymore talk on my user page not being my own or deleting content from my user page,or even the subject of nationalism that I never brought up in the first place as I dont find them very interesting topics. I hope that answers everything. Nadirali 04:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Like I said, you win. I do want to point out (no need to reply here or anywhere else) that when I use the word "language" without a definite article I am referring to language as a group noun, not a count noun. For instance, "South Asian language" (referring to the languages that originate in South Asia) v. "the Gujarati language" (referring to a specific language). It's tricky I know, but it makes perfect sense if you think about it.

Also, please don't post to my talk page anymore unless it's on a completely unrelated issue (like an article we both have edited). I would like to be done with this conversation, so feel free to have your last words but please do it on this page and not on mine. Thanks. Erielhonan 06:13, 4 December 2006 (UTC) It's good to know to know the person on the right side always comes out the winner.Regards.Nadirali 16:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali