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This page is intended to get attention quickly when dealing with personal attacks. It is not intended to serve as a form of mediation or a type of RFC. Only Personal attacks are dealt with on this page, on their own merits in accordance with Misplaced Pages's No Personal Attacks policy

For editors who want a personal attack situation reviewed:

Consider that in most cases, ignoring the attack is better than requesting sanction against the attacker. Do not report people if you are likewise guilty of hostility towards them.
Make sure the user has actually commited a personal attack. (Please note that "personal attacks" are defined only under the WP:NPA policy. If a statement is not considered a personal attack under the intended spirit of this policy, it does not belong here.)
The editor must have been warned earlier. The {{npa2}}, and {{npa3}} templates may be appropriate for new users; for long-term editors, it's preferable to write something rather than using a standard template. Reports of unwarned editors may be removed.
If the behavior hasn't stopped, add the following header to the New Reports section of this page in the following format:
==={{User|NAME OF USER}}=== replacing NAME OF USER with the user name or IP address concerned, with a brief reason for listing below. Be sure to include diffs.
If an editor removes the IP or username and doesn't handle the matter to your satisfaction, take it to the editor's talk page or the administrators' noticeboard, but do not re-list the user here.
NB - Due to misunderstanding of these instructions and/or mis-use of this process, comments not in strict adhereance to these instructions WILL be removed. This page deals only with personal attacks under the policy WP:NPA. Reports deemed to be inappropriate for this page are liable to be moved to an appropriate venue where one exists.

For those reported on this page:

A reviewer or an administrator will review each report on this page. In dealing with the report, the contribution history of the reported user shall be checked along with the diffs provided in the report. Where no personal attack is evident, then no action will be taken - however, should an administrator see that another seperate issue is evident, appropriate action or advice for that issue may be taken/given at his or her discretion and in line with wiki policy.
Reports on this page stand on their own merits in accordance with Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. As such, disputes and discussions over reports are not suitable for this page except for such comments left by admins or reviewers describing their actions and/or findings. If you notice your account reported at this page, please trust that the administrators and reviewers dealing with reports will deal with it in an even-handed and fair manner on the basis of policy alone. If you feel strongly that another "side to the story", issue, or another piece of information is missing from a report please refrain from posting here, and instead leave your comment on your talk page under the title NPA Report or another other clear and related title. The reviewing party will see this message and take it into account where applicable.

For users handling assistance requests:

For each of the users linked here, open their contributions and check for personal attacks. Also check if the users have been sufficiently warned for the current personal attack and whether they've continued to commit personal attacks after being warned.
Note that there is an important difference between a user who makes many good contributions and a few personal attacks, and a user whose last edits are (nearly) all personal attacks or other conflict.
Do nothing, warn them again, or, if you are an adminstrator, block the user in question as you think is required. Explain things carefully to the user who listed the attacker if you feel there's been a misunderstanding.
Move the report to the Open Reports section and give an update to the status of the report.
Delete old reports that have been dealt with.

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New Reports

91.127.186.233 (talk · contribs)

This user has erased another user's page and replaced it with 'lol u suck retard'. As can be seen on the offender's talk page, User talk:91.127.186.233, this user has been warned numeruos times before. Would it be a good idea to block them? thanks for your time. :-) Ilikefood 18:29, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

199.80.117.24 (talk · contribs)

Personal attacks and gross incivility on Talk:Juuken Sentai Gekiranger . After warning him, he told me that they weren't personal attacks, and proceeded to keep attacking people with phrases like "Are you slow or something?" . I believe he is a reincarnation of 74.195.3.11 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), who edits the same articles, has the same tendency towards personal attacks and incivility, has the same exact style, and has been blocked before for incivility. jgp _C

Reviewer comment • Looks like an obvious block to me ... if a passerby sysop wants to block them, I'd fully endorse it. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 17:08, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. By the way, the first diff in my original report was in error--I pasted the wrong URL. I've since corrected that mistake, by pasting the correct URL in. jgp _C 17:12, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  - I noticed, and just looked through the contribs since it was more a pattern you were alluding to and not a single collection of disruptive edits. ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 17:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

210.207.18.67 (talk · contribs)

Personal attacks-only account, targeting editors critical of Falun Gong. CovenantD 12:48, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Reviewer Comment • SPA's like that should be reported to WP:AN/I where they can be summarily blocked. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 15:57, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

68.42.232.134 (talk · contribs)

This anon. user has continued to escalate Personal Attacks against me to the point of Harassment, and he has been told these are not acceptable several times. Furthermore, he has taken the issue off-wikipedia to a discussion forum here:Here, as well as an email to my email address further harassing me, even though he and another user were the ones engaging in an edit war, while I engaged in the discussion. I have at this point requested the forum admin linked previously to remove my name from his site, no response as of yet. I am also considering contacting his ISP regarding the harassment. However, I did want to make sure that this was also noted with the Misplaced Pages administrators. Cascadia 05:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, there's not a whole lot a Misplaced Pages admin can do about that sort of thing -- my ability to block people ends when they leave the en.wikipedia.org domain. As far as the emails go, if they're coming from the same addresses, you may as well blacklist the address so that you stop getting their mail. Luna Santin 11:38, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for responding. I knew there was not much that could be done by a WP admin, but I did need to document that the WP admins were aware of the situation. Thank you for your assistance, you've been more help than you know. Cascadia 19:31, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Live Forever (talk · contribs)

Here this User has gone far beyond reaches of civility. After weeks & months of silence at the talk page, and his repeated reverts of the article , despite m y monologues to a brick wall at the talk; he wrote a very uncivil comment, accusing me of constantly and blatantly lying about other users' contributions and other highly uncivil comments as seen. He has also called me a vandal & expressed no will to talk/discuss, him clearly stating that he'll continue reverting. --PaxEquilibrium 09:12, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Chuck0 (talk · contribs)

This user was warned by me yesterday [http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3AChuck0&diff=96216083&oldid=96216056 but has just attacked me again by calling me a "coward".http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AAnarchism_in_the_United_States&diff=96462818&oldid=

He just attacked me again, calling me a "crackpot" http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AChuck_Munson&diff=96464851&oldid=96464315

Yet another personal attack calling me "crazy." http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AChuck_Munson&diff=96504904&oldid=96504491

Pluto.2006 (talk · contribs)

This user is out on a defamation campaign against me, and has attacked me personally despite several requests and warnings. Please find the diffs below:

Please take appropriate action against this user. As you can see, these attacks are with a wilful intent to attack me personally, so WP:AGF is inapplicable. ॐ Kris (☎ talk | contribs) 13:31, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Reveiwer note • WP:AGF is always applicable. As to action I leave that to a syops intervention as there definetely is a pattern here. Whether it's WP:NPA I don't think so - I think it's more WP:STALK, but I defer to a sysop's opinion and remedy. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 17:55, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Wizard: I trust your judgement; if you think a block is needed, let me no (and/or drop a note at ANI).--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 02:05, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

- I see from the users contrib history that he or she has not made an edit since the 16th December - 10 days ago. Please feel free to provide new diffs should a new personal attack be made. WP:PAIN is for continuing personal attack situations. For the record though, yes there are some personal attacks in there, and debatably, incivility too. Crimsone 07:26, 26 December 2006 (UTC) (reinstated comments - Parthi 19:46, 26 December 2006 (UTC))

Open reports

Rkba69 (talk · contribs)

This user has added nothing but nonsense and personal attacks since joining Misplaced Pages. User has been warned with the appropriate templates to no avail.

Here a just a few diffs:

--RWR8189 07:35, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Left a note. Hoping that'll calm him down a bit. Will try to keep an eye on this, let me know if I miss anything important. Luna Santin 10:02, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Wobble (talk · contribs)

"There ia a host of information on this if you can be bothered to think outside of your narrow racialist perspective Thulean. Distorting biomedical research to try to support your dodgy racialist ideas is what you seem to do best. Go on accuse me of a personal attack, but read WP:SPADE first and look at your edit history." I asked him to prove his accusations about me distorting research. He failed and could have only given one example, and that was questionable. We discussed it at length User_talk:Wobble#Thulean.2FLukas_discussion

Than after saying me if I can "be bothered to think outside of your narrow racialist perspective", he says "The sort of out of date racialist thinking that normal people (that's 99% of us) think only nutters believe any more." "you just want to make claims that science supports your racist ideas" "There was a cite to "racial reality", a racist nazi site as far as I can see, with the reliability and accuracy one would expect from a bunch of neonazi thickos (who ever met an intelligent racist? Not me)." While commenting on neo nazis may be acceptable, he correlates it with racists after commenting on my "racist ideas" and after calling me "Ah well my little nordicist friend". Clearly, there are bunch of insults in these two edits: , especially considering things like " Indeed I might go so far as to say that being considered silly by someone with your opinions makes me rather a decent chap". And I never called him silly.

His warns: Lukas19 01:46, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

83.250.137.87 (talk · contribs)

Personal attacks against former Sveasoft subscribers and ex-employees, including posting personal information.

Examples

(different wiki, same vandalism)

This, among other open proxies and the like, are abused by Sveasoft employee User:James Ewing.

Can you clarify what the 3rd link given there is? Cheers! —— Eagle 101 18:03, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Reviewer note • Although the third link is concerning, it is on another wiki and unfortunately we have no jurisdiction to punish them there. I would also find it in bad taste to punish them here for mistakes on other places, so I would encourage another reviewer or sysop to discount it. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 18:12, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about that; you can safely ignore that oteher wiki. But here's another example:

Thanks. --Tokachu 19:12, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

He's doing it again. Examples are: .

Here's the WHOIS data for the IP (83.250.137.87) in question:

inetnum:    83.250.136.0 - 83.250.143.255 
netname:    COMHEM-CUSTOMER 
descr:     com hem customer broadband access 
descr:     ISP 
descr:     ******************************** 
       Abuse & intrusion reports should 
       be done done online at: 
       http://www.comhem.se/publik/portlets/abuse/begin.do 
       ******************************** 
country:    SE 
admin-c:    CH1252-RIPE 
tech-c:     CH1252-RIPE 
status:     ASSIGNED PA 
mnt-by:     COMHEM-MNT 
source:     RIPE # Filtered 
role:      com hem LIR 
address:    Com Hem AB 
       Birger Jarlsgatan 57B 
       Box 191 50 
       Stockholm 104 32 
       SWEDEN 
       ******************************** 
       Abuse & intrusion reports should 
       be done online at: 
       http://www.comhem.se/publik/portlets/abuse/begin.do 
       ******************************** 
phone:     +46 8 55363000 
fax-no:     +46 8 6601640

Sveasoft is located in the same area. An interesting coincidence, no? --Tokachu 15:24, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Ekajati (talk · contribs)

Ekajati has been on an ongoing spree of harassing Kathryn NicDhàna. There is a pattern of this behaviour with several other users. Most recently he/she has been using racist ad hominem and exhibiting a total lack of WP:AGF. Here are two relevant instances. I have warned the user with {{npa4im}}, but only after noticing it. Prior to that, Kathryn NicDhàna has been practically begging this person to cease harassing on her user page.- WeniWidiWiki 01:44, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Just converting those links to non-secure-enwiki difflinks... . While it does look like a bit of a heated dispute, I'm not sure that a block would help to calm things down. It's not the most civil thing I've ever seen, but it's far from the worst, either. Will try to keep an eye on it. Luna Santin 23:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, this does sounds to be rather minor, with the exception of calling another user a 'hypocrite', although without following the diffs more I can't tell if this is earned or not. Hypocrisy is not a slurr, but can be absed, I'd strongly recommend that Ekjati should refrain from using such terms in a dispute, unless he clearly explains why it is applicable in this term - and in that case, some form of WP:DR may be more useful then name-calling in anycase.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 20:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Um, I'm not sure you (Luna Santin and Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ) actually noted the problem language. Kathryn NicDhàna has worked extensively on Irish cultural articles and is identified on her user page as a member of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Ireland. In , Ekajati called Kathryn a liar because of her affinity for Irish cultural heritage. Or to put it another way, Ekajati said all Irish people are inclined to lie as a racial or cultural trait. This is a racist slur. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 00:21, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

You know, you bring up a good point. =\ If I'd caught that sooner, I'd be more able to do something about it. As is, they seem to have stopped for the time being, and I'd be concerned that warning them might only remind them or encourage further disruption. Feel free to correct me, if I'm wrong on that count. Luna Santin 09:41, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Halibutt (talk · contribs)

Particular User:Halibutt left very inappropriate remark regarding many different contributors (message appears on his main user page):

Unfortunately, an ongoing campaign of slander and blackmail against me has forced me to abandon wikipedia for some time. Death threats from Ghirlandajo, anti-semitic comments from Renata and her Lithuanian pals, offending my parents by Dr.Dan, offending my nationality and culture by the nationalist Lithuanian community here - all these were a step too far. Perhaps I'll come back when they change their ways - or wiki finally starts to defend serious editors against trolls and ultra-nationalists. Regards, //Halibutt

Please note causations made by him are - anti-semitic comments; Death threats and accusation to all Lithuanian community etc. Later this message was changed by different contributor., because Halibutt refused to do it by himself This is not the first time, when Halibutt misconducts in this area: and was warned not to proceed with attacks some time ago: but refused it . Would be good if neutral contributors could evaluate this users' "comments". M.K. 00:31, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Reveiwer comment • It's certainly loaded accusations, and something they should prove if they can, but not really "personal attack" material. Specifically, this really isn't the right venue to get a remedy. I would suggest WP:RFC or, if administrative action is needed, WP:AN/I. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 01:15, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Halibutt's responce certainly contained some phrases that can be seen as offending or at the very least, an overinterpretation (death threats?), I'll drop him a note to avoid them in the future. However, as seen at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Lithuania/Conflict resolution and Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Halibutt, Halibutt has been under a long series of attacks by various uses, including M.K., who show no sign of relenting, and as the note above indicates have succeed in driving the 168-most active editor from this project, which is certainly a great loss to all of us. I'd strongly suggest a mediation or ArbCom, as RfC are not designed to solve a problem where many sides are at fault (and this certainly not a 'black and white' story).--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 19:29, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Peter, if neutral contributor says that there are no violation I would not press and spamm same message again, but once more some "comments" of this user came out: Remember Ghirlandajo, Dan, Juraune, M.K., Iulius, and countless other trolls who do it all the time? To this is quite a violation of rules don't you think? Especially when at least one of these mentioned "trolls" never meet particular contributor face to face, AFAIK. I believe this should be properly investigated. M.K. 12:07, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

A day late, and a dollar short: as I said on M.K.'s talk page, bringing this complaint is not a very reasonable way to act. I had already removed the offending material; Piotrus agreed with me; Halibutt did not restore it - drama over and done before the notice was posted. More good faith and fewer attacks would be nice for 2007, but most of all, no more use of PAIN, AN, and ANI, to stir up trouble. Seasons greetings to all, Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:14, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Reviewer Comment • I thank you for your concern M.K., and would like to say that I appreciate you being proactive about such an issue. However I would like to suggest that before you report something here, you attempt to have a dialogue with all the parties involved to try to remedy the problem. Only post here if the problem persists, as that is when it warrants our attention. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 23:18, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- Trouble is, it was attempted a few times already by several different people. Everyone just gave up. -- Grafikm 01:02, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Freedom skies (talk · contribs)

I'm not usually at a loss for words, but I am now.

The last one not so much, and there's a couple more, but I'm getting tired of even this process. I've been told that I can post here though all I've done is leave a warning on his talk page. This may not be some big huge case, but it's huge to me. I've been called a liar, incompetent, and had an inquiry made about the state of my mental health. I can't take it anymore.NinaEliza (talk • contribs • logs) 04:44, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Freedom skies is an excellent editor. he contributes on many topics such and martial arts, history, and religion. I see no reason to sully such an editor.--D-Boy 12:40, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

About the lies and the incompetence accusations that I made:-

In this version Nina writes that "One historian has rejected Pushyamitra’s persecution of Buddhists" when the sentence following immediately has Etienne Lamotte and Koenraad Elst rejecting the accusations. More authors can be found on Checking the link/citations provided.

In this edit Nina repeatedly writes "Two prominent historians have rejected Pushyamitra’s persecution of Buddhists." when at least Etienne Lamotte, Romila Thapar and Koenraad Elst are mentioned in there.

If I am to be blamed for finding her actions of taking the number of historians mentioned in the article and substracting it by one inexplicably bizzare and disruptive then so be it. I stand by my convictions.

She has also tried to force placing a link that does not work. Friends of the Western Buddhist Order is the first link in this version. Access it and you should come across a "Sorry: We're Unable to Locate that Page" message.

Before I came to this article the article was In such shape. Due to my efforts citations and extensive cleanup has been done. Verify.

Nina and her friend Tigeroo have been trying to push for versions with repeated copy and paste sections (two in the same article), derogatory terminology and they won't listen to reason.

Kindly see here in detail for explaination of why I lost my patience.

I may have lost my patience but any verification will reveal that my accusations are verifiable and I have been attempting singlehandedly to maintain sanity in the article. Anyone in my place would have lost his/her patience.

Freedom skies 08:04, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

If anyone cares to investigate, datestamps are a good thing to look at. The links in question work, at least on my browser and computer. NinaEliza (talk • contribs • logs) 14:34, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

They dont seem to work. Also Freedom Skies seems to have been up against two users gaming the system to defame Hindus on wikipedia. After a notorious Arbitration case Tigeroo (talk · contribs) seems to have gone on a rampage against Hinduism related articles. I have no idea who NinaEliza is but Freedom Skies has dealt with way too many users gaming the system and revert warring. Besides, the violations deal more with WP:CIVIL which is a policy never followed on India related articles. Baka man 16:10, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment • WP:CIVIL is a core policy on Misplaced Pages. Those who do not follow it are a negative influence on the encyclopedia and may be blocked. Note that this is a comment in general in response to Baka's comment, not on the case itself, which I am still looking over at the moment. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 21:40, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

NinaEliza ( • contribs • logs) 21:33, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Reviewer Comment • I have some friendly advice for Freedom skies (talk · contribs) on his talk page. You can read it here. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 21:57, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

One might also consider the datestamps and positioning of the comments on this talk page. NinaEliza (talk • contribs • logs) 23:23, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Reviewer Comment• If you feel further action is needed, please elaborate as to why. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 23:33, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I feel the user who placed a "final warning" on Freedom Skies was attacked at his own talk page, and in a particularly vicious manner. Something needs to be done about this user. However, I have withdrawn from the article in question for the time being. As for D-Boy, Bakaman, Ambroodey, and Freedom Skies, they are all free to comment on me at my editor review. I'm sure they'll find the way. In the meantime, I invite them all to get thee behind me. NinaEliza (talk • contribs • logs) 04:08, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Felt like I might chime in with my penny (half of two cents), I've seen NinaEliza about in a few articles I've been involved with in editing and she has never made any kind of personal attacks there and she seems to be of good general character (not that I'm going to go through and look at all the evidence given above, don't won't to become that deeply involved with all this...). Mathmo 07:28, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

The friendly advice is well appreciated by me. Nina and Tigeroo's actions of never resorting to corrections before I point them to, indiscriminately reverting to versions with mistakes of extra = in headings and repeated copied and pasted sections (often two copies of the same section in the same article), insisting on repeating single incidents of any Hindu involvement thrice or more in the same article and deleting the BBC citation about the Hinduism/religious non conversion connection, puting Dr. Ambedekar before Dharmpala, erasing every mention of his holiness Dalai Lama Tenzin Gyasto altogather, repeating insulting terminology, using terms like "Bhaktis" for people related to the Bhakti movement, making the most basic of spelling errors and making remarks like "doesn't this article say that pretty much after Khilji it was all over for Buddhists anyway" initiated the whole process. Nina has said that she does not research thoroughly which was the reason for my remarks about her competence. Like most people, I don't appreciate when users persistently revert a version with citations and grammer corrections to one with repeated copied and pasted sections, spelling mistakes, heading errors, indiscriminate repititions and such. _{Freedom skies| talk} 18:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Someone said "she has never made any kind of personal attacks there and she seems to be of good general character." Her "you are starting to sound and act disruptive." remark is an personal attack. This is despite of her and Tigeroo reverting to versions full of errors. I made extensive corrections and got the content reverted by those who won't take the time to research but like to revert in a click or two. When I corrected, condensed, inquired and cited I was told I was "being disruptive" by someone who does not research thoroughly. _{Freedom skies| talk} 19:17, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Am I the WP:POT here, or am I the WP:KETTLE?NinaEliza 19:26, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

The question of pot or the kettle does not arise here. My stating of "you are starting to sound and act disruptive." was in response to "she has never made any kind of personal attacks there and she seems to be of good general character." As for the question, did'nt you yourself say that you were someone who does not research thoroughly?. WP:POT or WP:KETTLE are also silent on users who won't research but persistently revert the works of those who actually contribute to the making of an encyclopedia.

_{Freedom skies| talk} 20:27, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Vandal on Janjua discussion

81.105.254.253 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) This user is a sock puppet of a user who has been banned through various Ip's for personal attacks, this is another personal attack. They know I am a Muslim Punjabi, yet this user tells me sarcastically to stick to the Sikh Granth for inspiration, and also calls me a supershaitani (shaitani means satanic) as a mick take of my user name super saiyan evidence is faith and racial hate at it's best. Thanks for this people! --Raja 15:46, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

User warned. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 03:19, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

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