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Father's Occupation

https://sahanjournal.com/remembering-minnesotans-lost-to-covid-19/he-was-loved-by-everyone-the-somali-community-remembers-nur-omar-mohamed-who-died-of-covid-19/ It is not in any sense defamatory to link the obituary where her father's occupation in Somalia is noted as a colonel if the page is listing his profession. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.44.5.219 (talk) 17:15, 9 September 2020 (UTC) Was her father a teacher trainer in Somalia or in the US? Sources differ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.44.5.219 (talk) 19:32, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

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Omar has paid Tim Mynett’s consulting firm a total of more than $878,000 since 2018 — including $189,000 just weeks after the couple announced they were husband and wife. Calicchio, Dom. (2020). Ilhan Omar paid $878G to new husband’s consulting firm, data show: report. FoxNews.com. 24.125.163.200 (talk) 19:09, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Don't post edit requests until you have gained consensus for changes. TFD (talk) 19:46, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

I found the url for that Fox News article. They cite Richard Painter saying the arrangement "should not be allowed", but that it is allowed by ethics law. Other lawmakers with spouses doing campaign work for them include U.S. Rep. Mike Doyle, D-Pa., and U.S. Sen. Kevin Cramer, R-N.D., the Post reported. I bet the IP isn't as interested in those bios. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:55, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Category

I removed the Category:Anti-Zionism in the United States in this edit as the article does not discuss Omar in these terms. Pls see WP:CATDEF. --K.e.coffman (talk) 21:13, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

This is completely ridiculous. Omar is an outspoken anti-Zionist. The last line in her lead section reads: "A frequent critic of Israel, Omar has denounced its settlement policy and military campaigns in the occupied Palestinian territories, and what she describes as the influence of pro-Israel lobbies." Revert the change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk • contribs) 00:49, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

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There's a tweet by Hufsa Kamal in the Patriotism questioned subsection. Please add this reference to the references at the end of the tweet. Thanks! 209.166.108.199 (talk) 16:19, 26 September 2020 (UTC) 209.166.108.199 (talk) 16:19, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: There are already RS for this claim and adding the tweet adds nothing. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:31, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

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1. http://web.archive.org/web/20200907082701/https://twitter.com/hufkat/status/1104775656934686720. Archived from the original on 07 September 2020. Retrieved 26 September 2020. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |archivedate= (help); Missing or empty |title= (help)

Voter Fraud?

There is a Youtube video with allegations of Ilhan Omar being involved with voter fraud. It's just two days old and already comes close to one million views. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWK56l2VaLY Shouldn't that be mentioned in the article? Shai-Huludim (talk) 07:03, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

A Youtube video is not a reliable source, see WP:RS and WP:BLP. NightHeron (talk) 10:18, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-police-omar-ballot-harvesting

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/09/28/trump-has-turned-ballot-harvesting-into-a-rallying-cry-against-mail-in-voting-heres-what-it-is/

Shai-Huludim (talk) 12:22, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

This is Project Veritas, a group known for deceptively edited videos and not close to a reliable source. O3000 (talk) 12:27, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Nice to see the puke funnel still operates smoothly. The Daily Mail, so we know it must be legit! --JBL (talk) 12:37, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Legit enough for the Minneapolis police department to investigate. This will be in the article. I dare you : )Shai-Huludim (talk) 12:56, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Please go troll elsewhere. --JBL (talk) 12:58, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

I am seeing more coverage of this; may be encyclopedic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.107.191 (talk) 17:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Nothing Project Veritas claims has been proven to be truthful. Right wing echo chambers do not establish significant coverage. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:20, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Seconded. The number of sources probably isn't a good metric unless those sources are independently attempting to verify/fact check the claims made by Project Veritas. So far, this has mostly just been ignored by reputable outlets, and those who have covered it have simply reported what PV said. Nblund 17:44, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Today's New York Times has an article that characterizes the Project Veritas video attacking Omar as "disinformation" (see "Project Veritas Video Was a ‘Coordinated Disinformation Campaign,’ Researchers Say", ). NightHeron (talk) 13:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Numerous local news agencies-- https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/09/29/project-veritas-report-accuses-ilhan-omar-supporters-of-illegally-harvesting-ballots/, https://www.twincities.com/2020/09/28/project-veritas-video-alleges-widespread-voter-fraud-in-mn-with-u-s-rep-ilhan-omar-at-head/, etc.--have reported the alleged ballot harvesting/voter fraud. It should definitely be mentioned somewhere. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 00:45, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Financial transparency section

I would vote that the financial transparency section be decoupled from her time in state politics and moved to its own section, and beefed up with more recent news, e.g. https://www.twincities.com/2019/08/28/ilhan-omar-under-scrutiny-first-marriage-then-fidelity-now-a-federal-campaign-complaint-and-a-state-fair-death-threat/ MaineCrab (talk) 18:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

That "news" is not recent; it's over a year old. As far as I know, nothing came out of the old complaints made by conservative anti-Omar sources. Are there any recent mainstream sources for this? This source doesn't belong in the article, per WP:RS and WP:BLP. NightHeron (talk) 19:29, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

"more recent" meaning more recent than her time in state politics, which the story is. The news is of an FEC complaint. If it went nowhere, her page can reflect that. I would think an FEC complaint is noteworthy for a politician, but perhaps they happen all the time, I'm not an expert. MaineCrab (talk) 03:15, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

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Please change "He made a series of false and misleading claims about Omar, including allegations that she had praised al-Qaeda, argued for leniency with ISIS recruits, and "smeared" American soldiers who had fought in Battle of Mogadishu by bringing up the numerous Somali civilian casualties" to "He made a series of false and misleading claims about Omar, including allegations that she had praised al-Qaeda and "smeared" American soldiers who had fought in Battle of Mogadishu by bringing up the numerous Somali civilian casualties." The very source that was cited directly states that Omar did, in fact, plead leniency for ISIS recruits in a 2016 federal case. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 00:34, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done No, the source does not use the word "leniency" or any synonym, and neither did Omar's letter to the judge. Omar is quoted as saying the convicted young men made a "consequential mistake". In her letter, she called for "compassion" instead of multi-decade sentences. Cullen Let's discuss it 01:00, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Cullen. I think you are mistaken. You are correct that Omar did not specifically use the term "leniency". However, according to the Cambridge Dictionary, leniency is defined as "treatment in which someone is punished or judged less strongly or severely than would be expected" . That was exactly what Omar was calling for in her letter. She strongly cautioned the Judge not to sentence the defendants to "30 or 40 years" and instead called for a "restorative approach." No matter how you want to define a "restorative approach" it is, undoubtedly, more lenient than decades in prison. Please reconsider. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 01:38, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

No, I am not mistaken, Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d and I will not reconsider. Neither Omar's letter to the judge nor the article that reported on it used the word "leniency" nor any synonym. You are engaging in original research when you interpret and spin her words and the words of the source to conclude that what she said amounts to a call for leniency. Original research is not permitted as a matter of policy. We accurately summarize the sources and do not add our own interpretations. That kind of comment is fine for a blog post or your Facebook page or your Twitter feed but personal commentary is forbidden by policy on Misplaced Pages. Cullen Let's discuss it 02:50, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Cullen328, is the NY Times a RS? "Ms. Omar wrote a letter to a federal judge asking for leniency in sentencing on behalf of nine Somali-American men, who were found guilty or pleaded guilty in 2016 to charges that they tried to travel to Syria to join the Islamic State." Sir Joseph 03:01, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes it is, and thank you for finding an actual reliable source, Sir Joseph. Cullen Let's discuss it 03:15, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Cullen328, not to nitpick, but what was the source for inclusion? Claiming Trump lied is a BLP issue and we should not just put those in the article without a valid source, which we didn't have, the reference used said the opposite, whether it used the word "leniency" or not, it showed Omar wrote a letter, that should have been enough for you to remove it as being contentious as a BLP issue. Sir Joseph 03:20, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Sir Joseph, I did not add the content. I responded to an edit request that brought forth a specific source. I read that source and it did not support the proposed edit. You found other sources that did support it, and I immediately conceded the point. Is that clear? Cullen Let's discuss it 03:29, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Cullen328, The sourced used clearly said Omar wrote a letter to the judge asking for compassion. While the source didn't use the word "leniency", to claim Trump lied about it is not OR as you claimed. Asking for "compassion" in a letter to a judge isn't SYNTH to say that's asking for leniency. Regardless, as per BLP, that should have been removed considering the source clearly said Omar wrote a letter to the judge and you know very well that Trump wasn't lying with his statement.

But whatever. Sir Joseph 03:35, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Trump said that Omar had "pleaded for compassion for ISIS recruits attempting to join the terrorist organization." That is false as stated. She was not asking for compassion for people who were being recruited into ISIS. She was talking about former ISIS members who were prisoners awaiting punishment. What Trump did was like saying that someone wanted "compassion for someone who was attempting to rob a bank" rather than "compassion for someone who was convicted of attempting to rob a bank and was awaiting punishment." Asking for compassion in sentencing or arguing for mitigating circumstances is not the same as expressing sympathy for the crime they were convicted of, which is what Trump was claiming she did. The article's sentence in question is okay as it is. NightHeron (talk) 02:29, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

NightHeron, Snopes, which of course may not be a RS, but most certainly does lean to the left, does indeed say Omar advocated for leniency. "In 2016, Omar wrote to a U.S. District Judge on behalf of a man convicted of terrorism offences, advocating "restorative justice," rehabilitation, and leniency over a "long-term prison sentence."" Sir Joseph 02:54, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Cullen328: and here Fox News uses the word leniency as well with regards to Omar and men who tried to join ISIS. . Here is the NY Times saying Omar wrote a letter to the judge pleading for leniency. "Ms. Omar wrote a letter to a federal judge asking for leniency in sentencing on behalf of nine Somali-American men, who were found guilty or pleaded guilty in 2016 to charges that they tried to travel to Syria to join the Islamic State." Sir Joseph 03:00, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done as per the NYTIMES which said that Omar wrote a letter to the judge asking for leniency, so the claim that Trump lied about that is a BLP violation and not false, so no reason to include here. Sir Joseph 03:04, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

and FactCheck, Sir Joseph 03:06, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Sir Joseph, you have been here for a long time and are not a newbie like the OP. You know very well that contentious material in a BLP must be sourced to to indisputably reliable sources. It is disingenuous and irresponsible of you to bring forward a source that you admit "of course may not be a RS". Stop it. Cullen Let's discuss it 03:08, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Cullen328, I removed a BLP. And the NYTimes is the source, and FactCheck, and FoxNews and Politifact. Are you saying NYTimes is lying? You said RS doesn't use the word leniency. This is from the NY Times:

""Ms. Omar wrote a letter to a federal judge asking for leniency in sentencing on behalf of nine Somali-American men, who were found guilty or pleaded guilty in 2016 to charges that they tried to travel to Syria to join the Islamic State."

So, please tell me how we can have in this article a claim that Trump lied about Omar pleading for leniency when she did. Sir Joseph 03:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Cullen328, Exactly. Contentious material MUST be sourced. It says Trump lied, and the sources say he didn't. The BLP violation is yours stating we need to keep that in the article. Sir Joseph 03:12, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

You found a good source. Thanks. Cullen Let's discuss it 03:15, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Cullen328, and I didn't take it out until I found a source, and I noted that in the edit summary in my edit and I added the NYTimes in the article as well because it had more references, especially when removing something from an article is not a BLP violation in any event, which is what the BLP was asking for. This was contentious and a BLP issue and should have been removed especially when the sourced used to include didn't say that Trump lied. Sir Joseph 03:19, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

1. https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/jul/18/fact-checking-trumps-misleading-attacks-omar-ocasi/
2. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/leniency
3. https://www.snopes.com/uploads/2019/01/Yasin-Daud-Ilhan-Omar-letter.pdf

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