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Thanks for the information! I'll take care in future.

Szhaider 23:39, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Aniconism

Hi,

I liked your message over at the cartoons' talk page. I wanted to ask if you would consider contributing to the Aniconism page, a related subject that is poorly understood, and clearly can use a lot of expansion. Thanks - Tempshill 03:42, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for taking time to read my message at the cartoons' talk page. Aniconism is a controversial topic among Muslim scholars. I have read the article and I realize that it needs more clarification. I'll see what can I do and will try to post most accurate information. Thanks again! Szhaider 20:56, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

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I will try to find and upload another image of Abrar with known copyright information. Right now, I cannot find any copyright information about this image. Szhaider 02:11, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages:Wikiethics

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We started a proposal Misplaced Pages:Wikiethics to state the existing policies coherently and make suggestions on improving the editorial standards in Wiki. I thought you might be interested in contributing to that proposal.

Unfortunately, a pro-porn and pro-offense lobby is trying to make this proposal a failure. They unilaterally started an approval poll although almost no one including me believe that it is time for a vote, simply because the policy is not ready. It is not even written completely.

Editors who thinks that the policy needs to be improved rather than killed by an unfair poll at the beginning of the proposal, started another poll ('Do we really need a poll at this stage?') at the same time. The poll is vandalized for a while but it is stable now. A NO vote on this ('Do we really need a poll now?') poll will strengthen the position of the editors who are willing to improve the ethics policy further.

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Need your Help

I need support in editing the page for Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh from Pakistani-Wikipedians. The page concludes Pakistans link to 9/11 using information from Indian press and much information in that page is without proper references. The page says that ISI gives money to Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh and Sheikh then wired the money to Atta. I have checked some of the references on that page and information in the references is different from what is mentioned in it. I will appreciate any help because I have very less free time these days... Faisal 16:58, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

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Please vote keep.

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I Need your help once again

The concept of Muslim being brother (all for one, one for all) is not a new concept. We being Muslims believe in Khilafat, the concept created by Muhammad (PBUH) and that concept was not created in 1900 as described in the articles with names Pan-Islamism and Muslim Unity. I wish if you can help in doing major modification in Pan-Islamism and Muslim Unity articles. I do not know that what the need of these articles is when a good article of Khilafat already exists. I will really appreciate you help. --- Faisal 21:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

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Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh article is back to Anti-Pakistan stand

You have made few important changes in that article. Just want to tell that I need your support to keep your changes. Because it is back in its previous Anti-Pakistani stand. --- Faisal 18:59, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

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Over-linking

I believe you are referring to the edits to Roosevelt Island? Refer to Misplaced Pages:Only make links that are relevant to the context. I felt that a link to Setting (fiction) was not entirely relevant to the context of the article, which is about Roosevelt Island. The island was a setting, true, but the article is not about fiction, film, or something of that nature, which would be appropriate for the link. --Larry V (talk | contribs) 12:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks... Szhaider 09:34, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to VandalProof!

Hi, Szhaider, thank you for applying for VandalProof. I am happy to announce that you are now authorized for use, so if you haven't already, simply download VandalProof from our main page and install it, and you're all set!

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Thank you! When my name was removed from the request page I assumed that I had ‎been rejected. It's a pleasant surprise.‎ - Szhaider 09:18, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

HI Szhaider

Please visit page and add your personal email (if you don't mind) at the bottom for better collaboration, networking and comunication. Thanks :) Omerlives

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Don't do this again. And its also a warning. Szhaider 14:08, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

It is important to keep a cool head, especially when responding to comments against you or your edits. Personal attacks and disruptive comments only escalate a situation; please keep calm and remember that action can be taken against other parties if necessary. Attacking another user back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors and leads to general bad feeling. Please try to remain civil with your comments. Thanks! Rama's arrow 14:33, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

You make the point. I agree. Szhaider 14:35, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I cannot understand one thing - why do you insist on making Urdu bold, and then why not the others? Its a silly issue. You needn't be concerned that Urdu will be confused by readers as Arabic or not given enough value as the other transliteration. This is a silly issue over which you have broken 3RR. Rama's arrow

User notice: temporary 3RR block

Regarding reversions made on September 18 2006 to Abrar-ul-Haq

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.

The duration of the block is 8 hours. William M. Connolley 18:59, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

India

Why do consider India to be a threat to world peace and humanity? India pwns 69.158.61.72 02:48, 20 September 2006 (UTC) Szhaider doesnt only consider India a threat to world peace and humanity,we as civilized people oppose all sorts of state terrorism.Nadirali 03:16, 29 November 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Question

Hi Szhaider - may I ask why you insist on making the Urdu transliteration in articles bold? I can't understand why you would be willing to fight edit wars and risk a 3RR block like you already did for seemingly trivial point? Cheers, Rama's arrow 14:17, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Readability! Principle! Pipe like structure of Arial's Urdu font! Szhaider 18:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Look Szhaider, the Urdu transliteration is clearly visible and readable - no Indic, Cyrillic or any other script requires such bold fonts. People who don't know Urdu aren't gonna benefit anyway. I don't find your explanation convincing because you chose to make Urdu bold but not Indic script transliterations - you also removed Indic script from the Sindhi transliteration at Karachi. I request you to discuss with other editors before making such unilateral changes. Your behavior is not acceptable as you are an Urdu WP administrator. Rama's arrow 18:20, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Indian scripts in Pakistan related pages are irrelevant (even in Allama Iqbal's article). As far as Urdu bold fonts are concerned, I stand by my point. Szhaider 18:53, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Ignorant Behaviour

I strongly condemn your behaviour over wikipedia articles. It seems that you just want to increase no of edits. Misplaced Pages community will never allow such persons having no knowledge of an article and editing and removing things from them as you have done to my created articles like Sheikhan Lalian etc. Abulfazl 06:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I strongly condemn any kind of personal attacks. You should discuss the matter at the relevent talk page instead of here. Word Shaikhan has its roots in Arabic then what's point of adding Gurmukhi. In addition, Shaikhan is in Pakistan where Gurmukhi is not used. As far as Lalian is concerened, English spellings and Urdu/Punjabi word's pronunciation are cleary very different. Either one of them has to be wrong. I think for a town as unknown as Lalian you should provide some kind of citation. Szhaider 13:00, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Jal

Salaam Szhaider! I really appreciate your efforts to add the Urdu script to South Asian articles. One of the reasons I think it's a good idea to keep the Hindi script on the Jal article is because the band has much fame in India. Several of their songs were in Indian Bollywood movies and right now, the band is touring in India in several cities (Jal Official Website). Because Hindi and Urdu are standard registers of the same language and Jal has a large audience in both Pakistan and India, I believe it's okay to have both the Perseo-Arabic and Devanagari script on the article. In fact, Bollywood articles have both scripts for the same reason (i.e. Fanaa, Sarkar, Amitabh Bachchan, etc.) In light of these facts, I hope you don't mind me reinserting the Hindi script for the Jal article. If you have any questions or would like to discuss this further, please let me know. Thanks for your understanding. Khuda hafiz, Anupam 04:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC).

Putting Hindi (or Divangari) in first line alongside Urdu gives a wrong idea as if Divangara is standard in the Band's country of origin. You can put Divangari in Etymology section whcih will make more sense as Jal is a very informal and almost obselete word in Urdu. Thanks! Szhaider 05:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

A correction for the record

I do not add Urdu scripts to specifically Indian articles. I add Urdu script to only those articles whcih are relevent to Pakistan. Szhaider 05:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

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Sarfraz v Sarfaraz

Please see Talk: Sarfraz Nawaz. Is it okay ? Tintin (talk) 08:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Visual Basic 6 and Misplaced Pages

Are there any guidelines available for connecting Misplaced Pages with a software written in Visual Basic 6? I am intending to write a software for Urdu Misplaced Pages for quickly editing and repairing common mistakes. Szhaider 23:11, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

You should post this at WP:BOTS to get a response. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 18:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I have already started to work on my project. I think I have figured out a way by myself. Szhaider 19:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I suggest you look into WP:AWB. It is a software program that helps fix common spelling mistakes and does much more. You will have to make sure the program allows for editing Urdu wiki. If Urdu is not listed, request for it to be added on the talk page. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 19:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Dont forget to add Saudi Arabia's flag

I saw the group of flags in your list of countries that are a threat to democracy.I have to say I 100% agree with you.I would just like to suggest Saudi Arabia's flag. Reasons: -It's a dictatorship closely allied with America -it supports political terrorism in Pakistan -It considers Pakistanis(as well as all south asians) as "miskins" or "beggars"

If you are uncomfartable with adding the green flag with "there is no God but Allah and Muhammed is his messenger",then simply place the tale logo of Saudi Arabian airlines as a flag to a draw a line between Islam and Saudi fanaticism.ThankyouNadirali 16:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Thankyou

I also agree aobut religious scripts being used on flags such as SA,Iran etc.

Im glad you agree with me.This is how wikipedia should spread with colloboration of people who seek truth and knowledge where they can share that truth and knowledge. Nadirali 16:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Removal of project tags

I would request you not to remove project tags from talk pages. The idea of tagging articles is not to mark territory, but to improve the related articles. These articles will otherwise be invisible to the project members. Further discussion on this can be found here. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 22:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Agreed.--D-Boy 23:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree you do have a point that pre-1947 "History of India" articles should be neither Republic of India nor Pakistan-specific. At present, material of History of India is largely duplicated at History of Pakistan. This is not satisfactory, and I would support a merger of the two articles to History of South Asia. History of Pakistan and History of the Republic of India should both just treat the post-1947 period, while History of India and History of South Asia should be the same article. If you want to adopt this question, a polite and balanced proposal should be made to Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Indian history (while unilateral changes are pointless, they will just be reverted if no consensus is established first). dab (ᛏ) 08:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC) I disagree.That would be saying that Chinese history belongs to all of east Asia,when in fact it belongs to China.FOr sure it should be Pakistani history specificly.Nadirali 16:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Inflammatory comments

Please desist from giving edit summaries like "Hindi also is a mutilated form of Urdu" - - Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry if someone was offended. Didn't mean to do so. Couldn't help but express my personal opinion. I strongly adhere to WP:NPOV policy. Szhaider 05:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

yeah right.--D-Boy 05:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

WP SouthAsia template

Szhaider, It was User:Blnguyen who protected this template to stop a edit war. Please check with him for the rationale and request unprotection. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 17:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Please stop removing project tags

Szhaider, No one is stopping you from adding South Asia and Pakistan project tags. But please stop removing India project tags from Indian history articles. We went through discussion at WT:INB to add a pre=yes for pre-independence articles so that the India flag is suppressed. If you continue to remove India project tag, I will have to report you to WP:ANI and it will result in a block. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 17:19, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

supporting the removal of the refferences of the Indus

Szhaider,if Gansk does report you to the board of wikipedia administrators as he threatens,I want to add my full support for your edit wars and removal of unjustified tags on the page.The memembers of the board will hear my full support for your actions if members of the board do have to intervine or demand an explaination,I offer full verbal support.I already informed Gansk of my support for your edit actions.

The history of south asia page is as neutral as it can get,though I preffer it to be placed on the Pakistani history page and be left alone there.

RegardsNadirali 06:51, 2 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Re:support for removing the Indus

I have replied to your comment. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 19:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Need some support as well

Hello Szhaider,thanks for appriciating my support.I'll need some support from you as well as well as other honest wikipedians to fight the growing corruption here on wikipedia.

User:Erielhonan has personal problems with me and is now threatening to report my "bad behaviour"  and so-called "hostility" to the wikipedia board of administrators.This is her retaliation for a personal fued between us and a direct abuse of authority as an administrator.

I warned her that I vowed to fight corrupt administrators who use their powers for personal benifit.I did not accuse her of corruption or double-game,but I simply warned her that all wikipedians must have equal rights and those who try to overcome the rights of others as users or administrators will be reported.She merely rebuffed my warnings as "threats to shut wikipedia" and "crusade posture"

She also called my comments on talk pages "very nationalist".I'll need someone to help me correct that lable she has given my comments.

If this user/administrator does report me based on her false alligations,I will need some support from you.If members of the wikipedia administrators board do question me.

Please as soon as you get this message,go to her talk page and read what I have said,before deciding what allegations she has made are true or not.If you beleive what I say is true,I'll need you to help convince her Write to her.(Her conversations have been archived but the box is on the discussion page) Thanks alot,I will be very grateful if you do this for me as a freind and fellow wikipedian.Nadirali 03:14, 3 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Hello Szhaider.I Dont think I'll be needing the support after all.I think I finally outsmarted this person and she also realized she couldnt prove anything against me in order to seek administrative assistance.But thanks anyway. However,the corruption of some administrators does worry me.You were right to say user/administrator Granesh is part of the dispute.After reading his threats to report you to the administrative board,I also read of another Indian user who was part of the dispute,removing tags,just gets a request to stop doing what he's doing instead of getting a threat to be reported.I'll see what I can do about it later.Best regards.Nadirali 16:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Your userpage

Having a templage on your userpage stating that you consider certain entire countries 'threats' is going to make people take a very jaundiced view of any edits you make, and discount any suggestions you make. Please consider removing it. Hornplease 19:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

i dont understand

How can you honestly say that you consider India to be a threat to world peace, when Pakistan is the reason why India did not sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in the first place!!! If anyone is a threat to world peace, it's countries like Pakistan that have no sense of peace and calmality in the world. If Pakistan was not such an aggresive and violent neighbour India would be at much more peace.Second of all, you say that you believe that Afghanistan is a threat to world peace.Pakistan, however, contradictially,along with the I.S.I is hiding Afghanistani based terriorists, and is a world known fact that it hid Usama Bin Laden form being caught for his evils, who was "coincidentally" from Afghanistan, a country he called home and loved.... Kumarnator 09:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Shzhaider,just ignor him.We got better things to do then entertain this guy.He doesnt know that his "cool ideas" dont belong here on wikipedia.He has no idea what he talks about.Regards.Nadirali 15:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Family History

This user is interested in their family history.

Hi SzHaider, I saw the above request on your userpage. It seems that you're quite interested in knowing about your family history. It's always good to have a keen interest in the knowledge of one's history. And I think it's my duty to let you know about your family history. Yeah, I know very much about your family history. Your family origins trace back to the region of Punjab. Your ancestors were Hindus and your family converted to Islam some two centuries ago. Since then you've been a Punjabi nationalist. But the point remains that your ancestors were Kaffirs and you're too one. We Balochis are the real nationalists and we'll defeat you guys.

I hope you got a good knowledge about your family history ! Baloch Victory 07:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

this might interest you

Check this out

http://www.pakhub.info/

I strongly encourage you to join and help the site expand.I have an account on the site.It serves a good purpose for Pakistanis.

RegardsNadirali 08:04, 16 December 2006 (UTC)User:Nadirali

The site was down for a few days but it's back on.See the Pakhub article on wikipedia for more details.It's a good base to promote our cause. Nadirali 05:58, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Your recent deletion of an article on Saeed khan Rangeela is vandalism. The article was written by a renowned newspaper of Pakistan. You can also verify the information by google search on Saeed Khan Rangeela. Your editing is false and full of insufficient reliable published sources independent of the subject. Moreover, the emphasis should be on Saeed Khan Rangeela and not on some Unknown looser Jamil Khan who have no record of anysort. I hope you don't mess up with my eidting again.

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Re:Your Urdu

Please see Hindi and Urdu scripts for a reply to this situation. Thanks, Anupam 06:52, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Yasir Hameed

Can you please take a look at this edit. Is it equivalent to a first-class team or just a club or something like that (assuming that it is true). Tintin (talk) 16:10, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. It was some confusion on my part. I took the previous editor's changes to mean that he played for Kukmang and thought of moving it down from the intro if it is not a major team. Tintin (talk) 02:52, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

advise needed

Hello Szhaider,it's Nadirali.

In regards to the Pakhub article which was "legally deleted" under pressure from Indian nationalists and laballed as "spam",I may repost it,but the problem is it was quickly voted to be removed and I fear the same again.

The vote seemed quite "fair" in the rather short "discussion" of Indian and jewish voters.

The article is not spamming as Pakhub is a non-for profit site.There are articles on for profit sites such as ebay.There are also articles on sites such as youtube and stormfront,but niether are laballed "spam" for obvious reasons.

How should I be able to re-post the Pakhub article without them having it "voted" out? I seek your advise because you've dealt with these nationalists and biased administrators in the past.

Happy New year and Eid mubarak.

Nadirali 21:01, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Jon/Joan/Jaun Elia

Hi,
In the arlicle on Jon Elia, his name is spelt 3 different ways. Up until #Life, it is "Jon", then it is once spelt "Joan", then in the rest of the article it is spelled "Jaun" and occasionally "Jon". I do realise that all three are ways of rendering the original into English. Indeed, Googling "Jon Elia" urdu gives 612 hits (number 1 the fine article itself :-)), "Jaun Elia" urdu gives 385 an d "Joan Elia" urdu gives 23.
However, should the transliteration used in the article's title be used all the way through, and a note made of the variations? I found it initially a little confusing.
Await your thoughts. --Shirt58 04:37, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you - done. Please check out the updated article to see what you think.
Eid al-Adha Hajj mubarak ho! (Is that the right thing to say? I'm relying on a website about polite Urdu}.
--Shirt58 11:02, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Please leave salwar kameez article alone

Please please don't drag the salwar kameez article into the morass of Indo-Pak hostility and posturing. I'm trying to keep that stuff OUT of the article. I'm not Indian, I'm not Pakistani, but I sew and wear salwar kameez, I work on costume history articles. So far, we've been keeping the nationalism out of costume history. Clothes don't belong to any particular nation/religion/culture. They're too easily imitated. Clothing fashions change and spread. Especially salwar kameez, because they're comfortable :)

Look at my user page and talk page and note how many times I've been called a Pakistani and how much some of the Indian editors hate me. I'm not resisting you because I'm some militant Indian nationalist. Don't react with blind determination to "claim" the article for Pakistan. Zora 07:35, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:UP

Hi, I think the threats to World Peace template on your userpage is distasteful and violates the guidelines set out in WP:UP. Your user page is not for you to express your own opinions. I am sure you are a nice person and a good wikipedian and ask for you to remove it. Thanks. frummer 12:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Chand Raat

Szhaider, thanks for expanding the article. I noticed in your edits, you spelled the festival as Chaand Raat as opposed to Chand Raat. Your way of transliteration is more accurate as the word is pronounced with a long a. Would you mind if I moved the article from Chand Raat to Chaand Raat? With regards, Anupam 00:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. I'll go ahead and make the move. Shukria, Anupam 00:36, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

History of Pakistan and Pakistani nationalism

Can you please keep an eye on these articles. These articles are being rewritten by Indians from Hindutva perspective. Siddiqui 03:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I have rewritten Pakistani nationalism by removing Indian propanda. Can you pleaase review my changes and try to keep this version. I am hoping more Pakistanis contributors will pool thier efforts.

Siddiqui 14:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

discussion page

Hi Szhaider..

best regards.Nadirali 04:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Your input requested

Can you please check following page where Indian contributors have made accusation against Pakistani contributors. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents Siddiqui 02:13, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Saddiqui,I have posted there.Do not hesitate to ask for any further assistance if needed.These imperialists are disrupting wikipedia and violating its policies.Nadirali 06:44, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

3RR

--§hanel 04:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Jinnah and Iqbal

Hi Szhaider - I don't want to get into a revert war. I draw your attention to this discussion, which resulted in a consensus to distinguish the nationals of the Republic of India from those of previous times by a providing a link to India (disambiguation). However, it does not change the fact that both Jinnah and Iqbal are known as "Indians." There was never any British South Asia, British Indian or any such compromise - Jinnah and Iqbal are both on record describing themselves and the country as "India." Even Iqbal's address of Allahabad referred to a Muslim state for northwestern "India." Rama's arrow 04:04, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

You cannot claim anything as "Facts" when you provide no references. Additionally, you have been warned many times not to engage in revert-wars - you insist on renewing the very same content disputes that have been previously tackled many times over. Please inform yourself of the following - WP:POINT, WP:NPOV, WP:CITE, WP:BLP. And I might warn you that POV-pushing, which you openly avow is absolutely unacceptable. Rama's arrow 00:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I can easily counter about a "Paki" cabal, can't I? So don't lets get into accusations. What WP wants is reliable sources and NPOV and you cannot ignore convention. I have never ever heard of anybody being described as from the "Indian subcontinent" or "British South Asia." These have never been ways to describe somebody - no subject of the British Empire as been known as "British Indian," "British Nigerian," etc. Don't invent terms to suit your perceptions.

It is to your advantage to see the behavior of user:Spasage. He and I had a frank discussion by which we resolved this very issue. A broader discussion with many users resulted in a good guiding principle. I respect the fact that the "India" pre-1947 was different, but you can't stop using the term "Indian" as you cannot revise history. The people of that era were always known as Indians. Jinnah and Iqbal always spoke in terms of India and Indians. Iqbal called for a separate state for the "Muslims of northwestern INDIA." The "partition of India" was a term coined for that very purpose. I don't care if you don't agree - this is convention and widely-accepted, which means we can't invent new terms and interpretations. That's not what WP is for - if you want to argue a new interpretation, do it somewhere else. Rama's arrow 17:13, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

P.S. - this is hardly "my" version. Both Jinnah and Iqbal are featured articles, approved by the community of editors as amongst the best on Misplaced Pages. Rama's arrow 17:56, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

warning

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages.

and pa's in edit summaries

Please stop. If you continue to make personal attacks on other people, you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Thank you.

Rumpelstiltskin223 22:54, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

This is your last warning. If you continue to make personal attacks, you will be blocked for disruption. Yuser31415 23:12, 7 January 2007 (UTC)