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@Dominic inquisitive: I noticed the new addition. My concern is that this appears to only cite the primary source. If you know of a source describing it as a self-fulfilling prophecy, a secondary source, please consider adding it. Thanks, —Paleo Neonate – 18:56, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

@PaleoNeonate: Hello and thank you for the notification. I just thought the event fits the description of a self-fulfilling prophecy and so I included it. I am not aware of a source that describes it exactly as such, under these exact words, and for which I am convinced it's trustworthy enough.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dominic inquisitive (talk • contribs) 19:32, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

As I don't personally find the material objectionable, I'll leave it for other editors to also assess. Let's see if it stands then. The reason to support it using another source is to avoid original research or synthesis (WP:OR, WP:SYNTH). Using a primary source alone and interpreting it ourselves is discouraged. (Note: I realize that you are a new editor; I have used the {{xsign}} template to attribute your above post; using four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your post would add your signature. Please see WP:TALK for more information on placing, indenting and signing posts.) Thanks, —Paleo Neonate – 20:28, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Lack of reliable references or neutral sources, information out of date and missing facts.

I was told to make a critique article for the SPC1017 class.(This critique can also be located on my sandbox) This " Self-fulfilling prophecy" article presents few citations from non-reliable sources. Article's section History of the concept shows several times a lacking of proper citation. Also under the Application section, a gap in sourcing is presented, and it is not clear who said the information stated. There's missing material like incomplete examples in support of the topic. The used of non-neutral sources are visible putting in question the article's credibility. Most of the references are out of date. To improve the article, I suggest adding more examples from primary and neutral sources up to date that can complement the article's topic with adequate results. --Liz C Rodriguez (talk) 19:24, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

PBSC SPC 1017 Review on Self-fulfilling page

Overall, this page lacks proper citation, examples, reliable sources, and uses unreliable sources for some examples. There are gaps of information presented throughout the page. History of the concept needs additional citations for verification; there are claims that are not backed by reliable sources and missing citations. Under the application section, examples are missing, citations are missing, and evidence is not backed up by a reliable source/ don't have anything. Under the stereotype section, there appears to have a limited definition and examples. To improve the page it would be essential to add proper citations under the sections lacking, adding examples and removing filler words. Adding more sources from reliable and established sources to the page, some examples are out dated. --IvanFranco10 (talk) 20:46, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

SPC1017 PBSC Critique!

In this article, the introduction was a little confusing for me to comprehend completely. It seemed as if the wording and structure of the article was overwhelming and did not clearly explain what the self-fulfilling prophecy was right away. Maybe the concept itself went over my head and I did not seem to grasp what I was reading. When researching other definitions of this topic I was only able to understand it when I read multiple simple examples, however, it makes sense why providing examples that are nonspecific to the history of the definition wouldn't always be appropriate for defining a certain topic. With that being said, some other things I noticed in this article is the lack of citations and jumpiness in the history portion of the article. Sometimes during the article I felt very distracted by the buildup of information and couldn't see the connection between events and the topic. I believe simpler examples to explain this definition would help readers easily understand the topic. I enjoyed the different cultural aspects included in this article, however, it felt as if the addition of these examples somewhat strayed from the purpose of the article. While many of the hyperlinks in the article worked, the importance of having all of them fell short in my eyes considering many did not always focus on furthering the overall meaning of a self-fulling prophecy. All in all, watering down some of information and excluding irrelevant information might be something to consider to make the article easier to read and understand. Lelaina Lemire (talk) 15:57, 4 September 2018 (UTC)Lelaina Lemire SPC1017 PBSC

SPC1017 Critique

The Intro/lead of the article is unclear in the way it is written. There is also an issue with quotes being used and not cited. Certain links don't work or they're not the correct link. There's a banner under one of the sections that requires citations for proper verification. The way the article is written makes it sound more like an essay rather than an article for the general population. Sentences and paragraphs have components that seem like they were just copy/pasted onto the article and were not cited at all. Taylor D Henderson (talk) 23:51, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

SPC 1017 Critique.

While the overall focus of the article is maintained on the topic of "self-fulfilling prophecies," the lack of certain citations and the use of several biased sources hold back the article from becoming fully developed and realized. For example, in the "History of the concept" section, the usage of Merton's book as source presents a biased idea to the article, making it not very reliable. On top of that, some of the information used in the article has no importance to the overall main idea of the article, such as the "Sports" section. In my opinion, I feel as though that section should be cut completely. Aside from that, the article does come with good intention and uses fairly appropriate word choice. --Randy Abelenda (talk) 05:35, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

SPC 1017 Article Evaluation

Overall the article gives a good overview of the topic of a self-fulfilling prophecy. It gives good examples and provides multiple historical references and instances in where a self-fulfilling prophecy may have taken place. This helps to broaden and help make the topic easier the reader to understand. This is further enhanced by the article presenting some real world examples. However one such example struggles and that is the Canadian ice hockey section. While light connections can be drawn to the topic, the use of statistics to overall explain the completion of a prophecy doesn't seem to be relevant and more so leans towards the direction of someone looking at a trend line and making a prediction. In this instance, failure would have been viewed as the numbers being incorrect where as if they were right, a prophecy was fulfilled. This section is also fairly stagnant as only one sport is covered and that is Canadian hockey where outside of North America, this sport is fairly irrelevant and presents an example that the majority of the world would fail to understand. To improve this section, researching a more relevant example in sports such as the scouting prospects of high-school and college level athletes as they pursue a professional career would help and as well as presenting an example in a sport that has a bigger and more diverse audience. Jasonaperez7 (talk) 04:13, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Remarks and Corrections (SPC1017, 2019)

This article has a lot of repetition in the brief section, which would be more about defining the concept and maybe explaining how it is used, and a little bit of background such us, "Definition of concept. In what aspects it can be used/ is used: example: communication. "This concept has been recognized throughout time and was recently named by... in the year ...." or something similar but not too extensive, keeping the Misplaced Pages guidelines for the brief section. Then, minimizing the extensive information on the ways this concept has been used in different civilizations, focusing on essential information. Also, including more reliable sources and using classic literature or writings as examples, not "That's so Raven!". — Preceding unsigned comment added by MonicaCespedes (talk • contribs) 03:02, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Section on Stereotypes is too short

The section of the article dealing specifically with stereotype threats should contain more information on the subject. The two sentences could be incorporated into another section. The information given in the section is also very basic and doesn't give much detail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kcarter10 (talk • contribs) 03:51, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Vague and Unorganized Information

This article itself does have some adequate information, however most of the information is too vague and does not have proper citations. As well as, the information itself is quite unorganized. With an addition of more credible references this article should be more valid

Raksha H (talk) 13:57, 23 January 2019 (UTC)RH

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Self-defilling

Many a self fulfilling prophecies end up in a disaster e.g. the tulip mania. Or if the estimate is, that there will be an economical crash due to COVID-19. If many politicians believe that this is correct and spend money to stimulate the economy, the result could be that the estimated economical downturn is prevented. Could this be called "self-defilling"? Zukunft (talk) 13:24, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Merton

Merton, though towering force in the field, was not the father of sociology. Ibn Khaldun, Comte, Weber, Ferguson, Durkheim and other luminaries in the field preceded him. Even simplewikipedia's short article on sociology names a number of sociologists before Merton. Sociology was taught as a subject in 1890, and a department of sociology was founded in 1904, six years before Merton was born. I am not going to change the entry, though, because of a combination o fWikipedia policy and the Internet's nature. To wit, Misplaced Pages relies on secondary sources, citing them even if wrong unless there is citable material to contradict the citation; the other point is that the source for labeling Merton the father of sociology is a site that I can't enter because it apparently requires one to be affiliated with the host university. Calling him the father of the sociology of science, on the other hand, would be warranted. Whether that would be relevant to this particular article is something for editors to decide.Kdammers (talk) 03:58, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

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