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Template:Z33 My very best wishes (talk) 00:48, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

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Hello, I wanted to let you know that a user's nationality is not a valid reason for removal nor serves as proof that an editor is biased, and should not be used as such in the edit summary when reverting an edit. Instead, try to point out how and which policies or guidelines you think the specific edit is not following, such as WP:OR or WP:REMOVAL. Comment on content, not on the contributor. Oqwert (talk) 12:43, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Oqwert:, when I spoke of "disruptive action" it was certainly not referring to the nationality of the user, but to the propensity of Ukrainian-speaking users to modify the English Misplaced Pages in a fraudulent way, as we experienced some time ago on Stepan Bandera's page. In fact, the user has made extensive changes, also removing sources, on pages related to Ukrainian nationalists.--Mhorg (talk) 13:46, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

I am not saying that by "disruptive" you were referring to the user's nationality, but that bringing it out does not help at all and should be avoided, as it may be seen as hostile or unwelcoming to other users; focus on the content of the edit instead of attempting to categorize anyone based on what language they speak regardless of how you believe they can be generalized. If you suspect large scale, organized vandalism is taking place, use the article talk page to discuss the issue or report it to the administrators in severe/persistent cases. It is also good practice to warn users who make disruptive edits on their talk page if no previous warning has been issued since those edits were made in order to prevent further disruption. Oqwert (talk) 15:05, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions @Oqwert:, those comments could actually be misunderstood. Next time I will better specify the reasons for the reverts.--Mhorg (talk) 16:20, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you for your suggestion. Sometimes I forget to enter information. I'll keep that in mind next time. Thanks again.--Mhorg (talk) 09:21, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you @RenatUK: for helping me to improve my Misplaced Pages skills :) I suppose you are talking about this:
The Guardian: A video that Navalny recorded for Narod several years ago called for arming the population to shoot Chechen bandits.
NYTimes Once starred in a video that compares dark-skinned Caucasus militants to cockroaches. While cockroaches can be killed with a slipper, he says that in the case of humans, “I recommend a pistol.”
I thought the references are obvious to the same video. If you confirm that this is the part, how could both information be kept? Should I write that NY is about video 1 and The Guardian is about another video? Thank you again.--Mhorg (talk) 11:25, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

I was talking about "Navalny was frequently described as a Russian "nationalist democrat"." That's not what the source says.--Renat (talk) 11:27, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry @RenatUK:, I just saw your edit! But it wasn't my edit... I was just integrating a contribution from another user . Should I fix it or that user should do? Thank you.--Mhorg (talk) 11:29, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

@RenatUK: Don't know if the first ping worked (I added the code after the message), in case, I apologize for sending it to you twice.--Mhorg (talk) 12:50, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

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Template:Z33 My very best wishes (talk) 23:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

You can follow an advice here i.e. start an WP:RFC. But I have no idea what your RFC question might be about. About the "rodents"? My very best wishes (talk) 04:16, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, this is the first time i see those RFC or Dispute resolution and I'm getting confused. Speaking of the RFC, we started with the Georgian question (the war, and the racial slurs), now you are questioning all the controversial events of the politician in question. Maybe we should make an RFC for each point. What do you think about it?--Mhorg (talk) 09:33, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

I am not questioning anything. I am just saying that the page is very big, and we should focus on facts of his biography, rather than his opinions and views than need to be shortened. No RfC is needed. Let's just see what kind of consensus will emerge on the page given that several contributors are involved. My very best wishes (talk) 16:09, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

@My very best wishes: You said that "The page is very big", so you simply carefully deleted only the controversial parts of Navalny's past and leave everything that portrays the politician in question positively, who cares if dozens of RS have covered the subject. And why were the RS dealing with those topics? Who knows, maybe because they are of public interest? And we are not talking about particular issues, we are talking about controversial facts that for any other politician would have been promptly inserted on his article.--Mhorg (talk) 16:24, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

No, I only removed the most unimportant/insignificant content from section entitled "Political views". Those are views, not facts. I do agree that his most important views (something he is known for) should stay. He is mostly known for describing United Russia as a "party of crooks and thieves". So, that should stay. You are just picking up very old noise, which is hardly of any significance, especially now, when the page should reflect new important events, such as his poisoning, new arrest and protests. Those are facts and actual events. My very best wishes (talk) 17:00, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

a new sock puppet of LauraWilliamson?

out of no were the user Beanom undoes your edits the same way has the other sock did? (Edit waring when other users disagree, undue content is still being debated on talk) https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Alexei_Navalny&diff=1006200363&oldid=1006193783 How would a new user know the terms (Edit waring and undue) they do not seem like a new user at all.2600:1702:1340:35F0:A56A:C10F:8B3:E929 (talk) 18:09, 11 February 2021 (UTC) Maybe tell the admin that blocked the other sock puppet or someone else that knows about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:1340:35F0:A56A:C10F:8B3:E929 (talk) 18:14, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you anonymous dude, I think they already caught him\her. Consider getting an account to help maintain the encyclopedia, and also stay in touch.--Mhorg (talk) 09:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

- what a video, but that one is better. My very best wishes (talk) 21:58, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't get the point.--Mhorg (talk) 22:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Your comment

I saw your comment . Please realize that WP is not a vacuum cleaner to collect whatever has been published in newspapers. This is especially the case for BLP pages. Please see the policy. It tells: "Summarize how actions and achievements are characterized by reliable sources without giving undue weight to recent events.". It tells the following: (a) "summarize" - as opposed to indiscriminate citation, (b) "actions and achievements" rather than claims on blogs, and (c) "without giving undue weight to recent events." I think you are giving an undue weight not to recent events, but to comments (mostly on blogs) that had happen 12 years ago. It is also important that the info you are trying to include (about the "Narod" organization and his alleged nationalistic views) was already on the page. I did not remove it. I only removed the excessive and essentially duplicate content by you. I hope this explanation will help you to save some time. My very best wishes (talk) 22:34, 13 February 2021 (UTC)