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Request

Hi David, I just saw you deleted Pepperfry (company) as G4. I can understand that it was previously deleted through an AFD but I beg to differ with you on it being identical to previously deleted article. The current version was completely different from the one deleted in 2016. It had many new sources added, each covering the topic directly and in detail. Pepperfry is the largest furniture ecommerce in India, it has got discussed in many mainstream newspapers including Business Line, The Times of India, The Economic Times, Mint (newspaper) and there is a lot more sources available online if we do a name search on Google. Requesting you to please undelete it as this version was not at all identical to previous versions and has received a lot of coverage in reliable sources since last AFD and passes WP:NCORP with ease. TYSM.Tungut bey (talk) 16:20, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Was wondering if you got around to checking that Pepperfry article. It was not at all identical to previously deleted article and was not qualifying for G4.Tungut bey (talk) 06:33, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

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curious

Hi, I added a GSCrypto notice and created the user's talk page . Since I created the talk page, in theory no users would be following the new user's talk page that didn't yet exist. However, a couple of hours later another user scolded me on the new user's talk page. The new user I can see never contacted any users via talk in wp, at least in user contributions, thus how would an existing user have known about the edit I made (assuming it was impossible to follow the talk page of a not yet created talk page)? Then within a day or two the Bitcoin Cash RfC was launched. Today we see a second apparent SPA also voting in the RfC. Seems like quite a coincidence. I am wondering if a few more SPAs will show up in the next few days, as even if this is not an SPI issue, it might suggest some type of coordination. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 17:40, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

While participation in Misplaced Pages is lovely, SPAs raise an eyebrow. I've noted that RFCs are not a ballot - David Gerard (talk) 18:28, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

This is meant to be a separate, standalone comment. I do not see how to create a new entry. My apolpgies for editing the existing paragraph. David, why are you deleting credible factual information from the Reggie Middleton pages? Yo literally deleted patent grants from the world's 3rd largest economy from his page, citing it as unreliable, yet left a litigious allegation from an adverse party claiming negative things on the page. Then you deleted his reply to the allegations. Basically, you deleted fact, published opinion, and deleted the reply to that opinion? That is horribly biased. You then deleted multiple accomplishments claimed and detailed on a variety of mainstream and leading media outlets (i.e. Bloomberg, CNBC, VPRO, RT, etc) and then claimed that there were no credible secondary sources to support his accomplishments. The man has a long list of accomplishments, clearly memorialized throughout mainstream media, many, many times. You also deleted references and descriptions to well over a thousand people who disagreed with the allegations that you allowed to remain. This again, shows very unprofessional bias. Why are you doing this? I apologize if this formatting appears in another's message, I am new to the back end of Misplaced Pages, but felt obliged to call you on your one-sided gatekeepr-like actions and request that you refrain. There are hundreds of inventors on this site. Why haven't you deleted their inventions citations and hidden their patent references? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uberethno (talk • contribs) 23:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

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Oh hey

Wouldn't have looked at your site if you hadn't been on here, and wouldn't have bought Attack if you hadn't posted some samples there.

Good work. DS (talk) 05:05, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

cheers! - David Gerard (talk) 11:32, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Decoy-building spider

I have reviewed , thank you. It says explicitly: "The Daily Mail was deprecated in the 2017 ... old articles may be used in a historical context. ... The restriction is often incorrectly interpreted as a "ban" on the Daily Mail". As the reference is dated 2014 and is informative, I am asking you — with due respect — to either restore it or replace it with a better reference to a video. Oitio (talk) 23:22, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

It's from a recent edition of the Daily Mail. Are you seriously claiming 2014 is "historical"? Under WP:BURDEN, if you want to add, or re-add a source, it has to be from a WP:RS - that is, not a deprecated source. The WP:BURDEN is on you to find an RS. WP:BURDEN is policy - David Gerard (talk) 00:36, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I actually do claim that 2014 is objectively historical in relation to 2017 stated in the rules. If you have a different personal opinion, please justify it.Oitio (talk) 00:04, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, this is clearly nonsense - the same editorial problems as it had for ages. You have no justification except "I want to" - I submit that this is not sufficient to overturn two broad general RFCs. The Daily Mail is not a usable source for scientific topics, and you have greatly misunderstood Misplaced Pages sourcing if you think it is - David Gerard (talk) 00:06, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Slimelight and Electrowerkz

I have proposed merging Slimelight into Electrowerkz. I'm letting you know as I note you appear to be an active Misplaced Pages user with an interest in these articles, so your view on this may be valuable. H. Carver (talk) 00:10, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

I mean if that's all we have for the Slimelight article, seems reasonable to me - the section in Electrowerkz is actually longer than Slimelight - David Gerard (talk) 00:38, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding map references to Misplaced Pages

What source is considered copyright-claim free for adding GPS co-ordinates? LED BodyBuilding (talk) 08:07, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

I ... don't know at all, sorry! I'd think there'd be no such thing as a copyright claim on pure data such as this ... - David Gerard (talk) 12:39, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

• David, thank you for your time. I think it has to do with WIPO use of Moscow, Russia hockey teams in reference to GLONASS use and modified Russian language Apple CarPlay --LED BodyBuilding (talk) 17:17, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

LED BodyBuilding, {{mapframe}} can be used to add maps in articles based on the coordinates. There is no need to add reference for Coordinates. Adding {{coord}} on the page should be sufficient. You can add the map frame if you want to prove the coordinates to be true. Walrus Ji (talk) 13:06, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

gemini usd

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	hi, why u revert my edit ? is there any reason ? gemini dollar is used as a stablecoin.... did u know that ? Horoporo (talk) 05:54, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

hi, why u revert my edit ? is there any reason ? Per the edit summary: it doesn't have an article already, and so isn't presumed notable - David Gerard (talk) 13:24, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

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Daily Star

Hey David, hope you are well. I just wanted to message you regarding your removal of the Daily Star from articles relating to soap operas and television dramas. The Daily Star was once owned by Northern & Shell, which also owned Channel 5 and has had a good track record on soap opera reporting. Yes, a primary source in that sense but it would often host exclusive interviews etc. It also produces a television supplement which it profiles the soap operas airing in the UK. In this instance as it does not make claims about BLPs and historic events I ask if you will consider not removing the references and information from television fiction.Rain the 1 01:24, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

I'll second that.-- 5 albert square (talk) 01:28, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

I would also support this. Soaper1234 - talk 03:05, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

It's a deprecated source. This means it literally cannot be trusted as a source in Misplaced Pages. If you want a carveout, the place to relitigate that is WP:RSN. The usual carveout for deprecated sources is WP:ABOUTSELF - which this isn't.

If all you have to back a particular claim is a deprecated source, then the material almost certainly doesn't belong in Misplaced Pages. This should be a simple and uncontroversial statement.

Please don't deliberately add, or re-add, deprecated sources to Misplaced Pages. Under WP:BURDEN - which is policy - The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution. That's a reliable source - which a deprecated source is the opposite of - David Gerard (talk) 10:25, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Here's the deprecation discussion, FWIW: Misplaced Pages:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_311#RFC:_Daily_Star - David Gerard (talk) 12:03, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining in depth. I understand why you removed them and I just read through the original discussion. A discussion has been started about a carveout, so I will also reply there too.Rain the 1 17:01, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Your edit here removed a reference that wasn't the Daily Star. I'm in the middle of trying to sort this reference out but you reverted me before I could get a second to save it. Please can I get a minute to change this? Thanks-- 5 albert square (talk) 22:10, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, please do! - David Gerard (talk) 22:11, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, spent a lot of time earlier trying to sort out the references before to try and re-reference everything that was attributed to the Daily Star, must have missed something as a bot put it back in. Then when it reverted it took out a reference that wasn't the Daily Star for some reason. I did try to put something in the edit summary box but it wouldn't let me. I've sorted it now and when I've checked the Daily Star isn't showing under the references :)-- 5 albert square (talk) 22:22, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

thank you! - David Gerard (talk) 23:23, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Daily Star 2 Electric Boogaloo

Per your edit here in the Orla Gartland article, you removed a link to the Irish Daily Star per WP:DAILYSTAR. While owned by the same conglomerate, they are separate publications. Does the deprecation of the UK paper apply to the separate Irish paper? Furthermore, the source is used in the article for an award given by the publication itself, which seems like the one way that even deprecated sources are okay to use for, since there are no outside facts involved. Thoughts? 23:23, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

ah. That might be a WP:RSN question. We've tended to treat same-owner other-nation editions (Sun, Mail) as the same paper, but RSN might do with a discussion from locals on the Irish Daily Star - David Gerard (talk) 23:27, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I brought it up on RSN: Misplaced Pages:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Daily_Star:_is_the_Irish_Daily_Star_covered_by_the_deprecation? - David Gerard (talk) 00:32, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Daily Record (Scotland)

Hi David, you seem well-versed in what is, and what is not, a reliable source where UK tabloid newspapers are concerned. Do you happen to know the current RS status of Scotland's Daily Record, a sister paper of the Sunday Mail? -- DeFacto (talk). 12:32, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't think anyone's discussed it much on RSN. It's a tabloid, so treat with caution. I think they aren't into fabrication, but I'd be careful about treating it as evidence of notability. Sports is probably OK. So much like its English equivalent the Daily Mirror then.

I did find this discussion from 2017, where the general tone is: not terrible, but it's a tabloid so best take great caution on BLPs - David Gerard (talk) 12:37, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

2409:4041:E08:76DD:0:0:FBC9:4002

Can user:2409:4041:E08:76DD:0:0:FBC9:4002 please be blocked ASAP for vandalism. CLCStudent (talk) 13:32, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

good call - blocked 31 hours - David Gerard (talk) 13:33, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Simon Dolan

I'm struggling with the notability of this article. His wealth might suggest WP:Basic, but I'm really not sure how to rephrase the page to address his recent promotion of conspiracy theories and legal quests etc. I know you are more versed in this field than I am. I've done some trimming of non RS - so any further advice would be welcome! All the best No Swan So Fine (talk) 21:14, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Good question! He's in lots of RSes, but largely as passing mentions ... he might have a sufficient flurry of small stuff with bio details in RSes to pass GNG ... one to examine closely (though not right at this moment) - David Gerard (talk) 21:22, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Your comments about Scott Siskind

I have started a discussion on ANI about your "14 words" comments. Mo Billings (talk) 23:37, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Apologies

Hi. I'm deeply sorry for the way that I've mishandled some of the disagreements about the Slate Star Codex article.

I've now realized that I have acted improperly around issues relating to what I thought might be a COI regarding you and Slate Star Codex (and which I am still sincerely unsure about, after far too much discussion). I misread the COI policies and thought that the proper thing was to bring it up at the relevant article talk page, and then bring it to the COI noticeboard, but I see now that instead the proper behavior would have been to ask you here at your user talk page and then bring it to the COI noticeboard if necessary. I'm sure that doing it that way could have avoided a lot of unnecessary argument and harassment, and for that I am truly sorry.

I still believe that you have been overly harsh towards the blog and its writer, but that is entirely within your prerogative and simply having a negative bias is of course completely within your rights, both as a human and as a fellow Misplaced Pages editor. I will do my best in the future to emotionally disengage from these debates, and not let my emotions lead me to misreading Misplaced Pages policies. I don't believe I have misread any other policies in such a way, but if so, I hope that I will do so less in the future.

I apologize.

Gbear605 (talk) 00:05, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Please AGF and FOC

Why are you commenting on me and other editors with which you're having a content dispute? What does your opinion--apparently baseless--that I'm a "fan" of SSC have to do with the content I'm proposing? We have a good faith disagreement, I've civilly explained my position, and maybe the majority of editors will end up agreeing with you. There's no need to make remarks about me or the other editors you disagree with, and doing so is against WP policy, as I'm sure you know. Shinealittlelight (talk) 00:24, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

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