Talk:MTR - Misplaced Pages

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by SandyGeorgia (talk | contribs) at 00:16, 26 March 2021 (You too can clean up talk pages manually ! Sort order. Taming talk page clutter and formatting Template:Article history.). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Revision as of 00:16, 26 March 2021 by SandyGeorgia (talk | contribs) (You too can clean up talk pages manually ! Sort order. Taming talk page clutter and formatting Template:Article history.)(diff) ← Previous revision | Latest revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff)

MTR is a former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check the nomination archive) and why it was removed.

This article appeared on Misplaced Pages's Main Page as Today's featured article on June 11, 2005.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
December 22, 2004	Peer review	Reviewed
January 1, 2005	Featured article candidate	Not promoted
January 17, 2005	Featured article candidate	Promoted
April 5, 2007	Featured article review	Kept
May 9, 2008	Featured article review	Kept
March 12, 2014	Peer review	Reviewed
March 25, 2021	Featured article review	Demoted
Facts from this article were featured on Misplaced Pages's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on September 30, 2011, and September 30, 2014.
Current status: Former featured article

This article has not yet been rated on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Trains: Rapid transit High‑importance

Trains Portal

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Trains, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to rail transport on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion. See also: WikiProject Trains to do list and the Trains Portal.TrainsWikipedia:WikiProject TrainsTemplate:WikiProject Trainsrail transport

High

This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Associated projects or task forces:
/
	This article is supported by WikiProject Rapid transit (assessed as High-importance).

Hong Kong: Transport High‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Hong Kong, a project to coordinate efforts in improving all Hong Kong-related articles. If you would like to help improve this and other Hong Kong-related articles, you are invited to join this project.Hong KongWikipedia:WikiProject Hong KongTemplate:WikiProject Hong KongHong Kong

High

This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

This article is supported by the Hong Kong Transport workgroup (assessed as High-importance).

Hong Kong To-do:

Attention needed (60)

...needing expert attention (4) • ...without infoboxes (33)

Collaboration needed

Recommend topic

Improvement needed

GA-Class articles (60) • B-Class articles (298)

Cleanup needed

C-Class articles (1,068)

Image needed (348)

Destub needed

Start-Class articles (5,520) • Stub-Class articles (6,678)

Deorphan needed

...orphans

Page creation needed

Requested articles

Miscellaneous tasks

...maintain popularity • ...assess the un-Class (379) • ...assess the un-Importance (1,338)

Template:WP1.0

Template:Vital article

This article is written in Hong Kong English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, realise, travelled) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus.

Archives

Route Table of Light Rail

Should we make a table JUST for Light Rail? It doesn't quite seem to fit in the current "MTR Line" one. But it's going to need a lot of effort.

Toyotaboy95-Specialist in Misplaced Pages (talk) 11:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

My opinion is that both Airport Express and Light Rail should be separated from the network table, as they have different fare system and network system from the 9 lines. – PeterCX&Talk 14:39, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Criticism of MTR

Read this http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=12&art_id=61468&sid=17571556&con_type=1 (THE STANDARD)--should we add it????

Toyotaboy95-Specialist in Misplaced Pages (talk) 01:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

The so-called "early retirement package" is quite common among Hong Kong enterprises and government departments, so I doubt the need of such information. But I am not against it and I think if someone is gonna include this cite, it worth to open a new section about MTR staff to include their uniform style as well in order to stuff the new section. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 02:25, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

MTR-KCR merge

I've started a discussion on the MTR-KCR merge at WPHK (so we can have one consolidated discussion about it instead of having the same discussion across the few relevant articles). . Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

After the merger on 2 Dec, should we merge KCR with MTR?, but, if we do, it's a loss of history. Another important topic is to improve Lok Ma Chau (KCR) since it is important and should attract more attention. Toyotaboy95-Specialist in Misplaced Pages (talk) 05:37, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Do you mind bringing this up at the WPHK talk page so we have a consolidated discussion? Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 07:55, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Safety on The MTR

do you think MTR deserves an article on safety (http://en.wikipedia.org/Safety_on_the_Mass_Rapid_Transit) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toyotaboy95 (talk • contribs) 05:06, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

BVE Trainsim

It looks like this isn't actually initiated by MTR itself, and was just created by some train enthusiasts. I propose we remove it. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 05:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Surely. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 06:01, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Removed. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 08:49, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Standard gauge or narrow gauge?

There's an anon insist "correcting" the MTR gauge width standard in ZH version. After 3RR with the resultant full-protection, he finally gives his word in the talk page. Unsurprizingly, no response. As I've witnessed several times the editwar happens again after protected article unprotected. We need some expert to do the judge and prove whether it is standard gauge or narrow gauge. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 09:06, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

According to the UrbanRail.Net article on Hong Kong railways, the MTR runs on 1432 mm

(≈ 4'8/₈") gauge, which is 3 mm (≈ /₈") narrower than standard gauge. I'd call it standard gauge, since I think a few mm of leeway is built into any definition (e.g., a 995 mm railway would probably still be considered meter-gauge). If you want, I suppose you could call it a medium gauge. 66.234.222.96 (talk) 06:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Is there a reference for why they picked near standard gauge - to make sure main line trains never can use it? I believe the TTC in Canada did this on some of their tram / trolley lines. Wongm (talk) 06:22, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I tend to think it's because of the rolling stock requirement. Hong Kong Tramways uses narrow gauge, but of course it is a much older railway. --Kvasir (talk) 06:36, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

1991 MTR Disruptions

I saw from a TV show on Asia Television about a malfunction in 1991 that took almost the entire MTR network offline, forcing passengers to take other forms of transportation. Can we add that in there after some research? Arbiteroftruth (talk) 06:18, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Linky? - Mailer Diablo 16:46, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Oyster Card Section

I was noticing a problem with one of the references within the last sentence of the second paragraph where it states on other cities that use smart card systems. It states Chicago uses the EasyCard when it uses the Chicago Card smart card. The EasyCard is the system used in Taipei. I'm new to editing so am still unfamiliar how to correct the links (either replacing Chicago for Taipei or EasyCard for Chicago Card) so until I can figure things out if someone can assist with the editing of the links it would be greatly appreciated.

Chicago Card http://en.wikipedia.org/Chicago_Card

EasyCard http://en.wikipedia.org/EasyCard

(Spanishyoshi (talk) 18:48, 4 November 2008 (UTC))

Fixed! Thank you for noticing and pointing it out! -Herenthere (Talk) 23:56, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Ownership

Isn't the MTR not 100% government owned? I don't know the exact percentage of the public ownership vs private (after the merger), but I propose changing the infobox section on its ownership. 69.228.199.120 (talk) 00:31, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

It is not 100% gov't owned, see here: MTR Corporation; I believe the HKSAR owns about half of MTR Corp now. -Herenthere (Talk) 18:50, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Changes to Kwun Tong line

The article says:

Since the opening in 1982, the Tsuen Wan Line is the only line whose alignment has virtually remained the same for the past 23 years. For example, the Kwun Tong Line's alignment has changed twice since its opening — the taking over of Tsuen Wan Line from Mong Kok to Central, and the taking over of Eastern Harbour Crossing section by the Tseung Kwan O Line.

That cannot be quite right. When I first visited Hong Kong in the late 1980s there was no Eastern Harbour Crossing, but the Tsuen Wan Line was as it is now. The Kwun Tong line ran from Mong Kok to Kwun Tong. Thus there must have been at least three changes to the route of the Kwun Tong line:

When the Tsuen Wan line took over the section from Mong Kok to Central
When the Kwun Tong line was extended through the new Eastern Harbour Crossing
When the Tseung Kwan O line took over the Eastern Harbour Crossing

There may have been others. I seem to remember that after the Eastern Harbour Crossing opened, the Kwun Tong line's terminus was Quarry Bay, not North Point. -- Starbois (talk) 19:26, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Freight and inter-city passenger traffic

What happened to the KCRC's freight and inter-city passenger traffic?. The section on the merger would suggest that the MTR took this over, but I can find no reference to it in this article or its line-specific daughter articles.

The rolling stock summaries make no reference to freight locomotives or longer distance passenger stock. I seem to remember that the KCRC used to own some Swiss-built double-deck inter-city trains, but again there is no reference to these. Has that traffic all gone, is it all operated by railway companies from the north, or is it just missing from this family of articles?. -- Starbois (talk) 19:35, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on this topic, but I'm guessing all the same KCRC services still run under MTR, as I'm pretty sure the inter-city trains you mention are the Ktt trains used on the Hong Kong to Guangdong Through Train (MTR) service. I don't know about freight trains. I agree that this info should be incorporated into the article.Huangcjz (talk) 21:04, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

New article

Should we split the MTR rolling stock section into a new article? It would be easier to organise and edit that way, and would make the MTR parent article much clearer to read. Epicgenius 01:50, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Blacklisted Links Found on the Main Page

Cyberbot II has detected that page contains external links that have either been globally or locally blacklisted. Links tend to be blacklisted because they have a history of being spammed, or are highly innappropriate for Misplaced Pages. This, however, doesn't necessarily mean it's spam, or not a good link. If the link is a good link, you may wish to request whitelisting by going to the request page for whitelisting. If you feel the link being caught by the blacklist is a false positive, or no longer needed on the blacklist, you may request the regex be removed or altered at the blacklist request page. If the link is blacklisted globally and you feel the above applies you may request to whitelist it using the before mentioned request page, or request its removal, or alteration, at the request page on meta. When requesting whitelisting, be sure to supply the link to be whitelisted and wrap the link in nowiki tags. The whitelisting process can take its time so once a request has been filled out, you may set the invisible parameter on the tag to true. Please be aware that the bot will replace removed tags, and will remove misplaced tags regularly.

Below is a list of links that were found on the main page:

http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/hong_kong/
Triggered by \brailway-technology\.com\b on the local blacklist

If you would like me to provide more information on the talk page, contact User:Cyberpower678 and ask him to program me with more info.

From your friendly hard working bot.—cyberbot II _Online 12:16, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

86 stations or 87 stations?

I used Notepad to count how many stations does the MTR have. Of course the number of stations is 86 when I counted them. NOT 87. SuperArticleGuy (talk) 04:01, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 2 external links on MTR. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers. —_{Talk to my owner:Online} 20:09, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 4 external links on MTR. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070311023453/http://home.netvigator.com/~wonglt/his/ar1.htm to http://home.netvigator.com/~wonglt/his/ar1.htm
Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.transport.alstom.com/home/Products_and_Services/RAIL_VEHICLES/Passenger_trains/Urban_trains/10918.EN.php?languageId=EN&dir=%2Fhome%2FProducts_and_Services%2FRAIL_VEHICLES%2FPassenger_trains%2FUrban_trains%2F&docLink=7628
Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.mtr-shatincentrallink.hk/en/construction/related-work.html
Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.hkaaa.com/hkaaa/event/event/mtr%2006/website/MTR%2006/info_index.htm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 11:13, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on MTR. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080224153634/http://www.architecture.com/NewsAndPress/News/InternationalNews/Press/2002/HongKong-ACityOnTheMove.aspx to http://www.architecture.com/NewsAndPress/News/InternationalNews/Press/2002/HongKong-ACityOnTheMove.aspx

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 14:37, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on MTR. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 18:34, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:MTR (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 18:00, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Stuxnetlike computer bug chaos

October 2018 saw huge disruptions due to Stuxnetlike computer bug hitting the MTR systems, but no official acknowledgement of whether it was foreign meddling or otherwise. The malicious Israeli virus Stuxnet, although purportedly designed to target Siemens bus controllers (SCADA for centifuges), it has spread far beyond. They may simply refer to it as a "bug" rather than make any official statement about foreign meddling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.3.46.41 (talk) 09:12, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Please provide a citation to a reliable source. Otherwise it appears to be WP:OR. Thank you, Citobun (talk) 09:32, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Section "The First railroad"

As explained on IP's user page already, I am removing the section on "The First railroad" because the history of the KCR is already covered in the article for Kowloon–Canton Railway. MTR originated in the 1960s and 1970s. Citobun (talk) 10:15, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

LGBT advertisement

@Jacky138: The IPs are probably referring to this. Jc86035 (talk) 13:40, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:

ChinaRailwayHighspeed-notext.svg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 00:04, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:

MTR-High Speed Rail logo.svg

You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 03:38, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Commons files used on this page or its Wikidata item have been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons files used on this page or its Wikidata item have been nominated for deletion:

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 11:40, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

PRDIR logo without text.svg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 15:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Featured article review

This article was promoted to FA status way back in 2005, almost 15 years ago now as of 2020. Since then, the article has gone through many changes that has diminished its status as a FA, or even as a GA. It's too cluttered, contains outdated or unsourced information, and formatting issues at some sections. Not to mention the controversies section which contains material bordering on undue weight and recentism from questionable sources. The talk page over the past few years is mostly dead with bots notifying of copyrighted images being removed or modifying external links. Telsho (talk) 00:21, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Commons files used on this page or its Wikidata item have been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons files used on this page or its Wikidata item have been nominated for deletion:

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 18:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Categories: