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Canaanism

The section on Canaanism should be updated to reflect the recent genetic studies (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-05649-9#Fig1, https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-05649-9#Fig1, https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/7/eaax0061, and https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(20)30487-6.pdf ) that show the DNA of modern Palestinians is closely related to the DNA of the Canaanites: the descent of the Palestinians from the Iron Age and Bronze Age inhabitants is not in any doubt.Mcdruid (talk) 19:51, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes please add this! PoliticalMan2050 (talk) 10:09, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

The article from cell.com seems to be unavailable but the two other ones don't seem to suggest this, both the nature.com and the advances.sciencemag.org articles seem to talk only about the ancient iron age peoples and their DNA ancestry, not relating it to the modern Palestinians. Correct me if i'm wrong (talk) 17:28, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

The link works now. Zero 06:28, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
The articles cited all place the Canaanite DNA onto the standard map of Genetic groupings and they overlay the current Palestinian population. In addition, https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(20)30487-6.pdf in Figure S4 specifically measures the Palestinian DNA (and others) in comparison to more modern DNA. Mcdruid (talk) 02:56, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
The study is already mentioned under the "DNA and genetic studies" section, under the subsection "Between the Jews and Palestinians". It mentions that Arabic-speaking Levantine groups, including Palestinians (as well as several Jewish groups), were found to derive a majority of their ancestry from the Bronze Age Canaanite genetic component. Skllagyook (talk) 03:22, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

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In the DNA and genetic Studies section, under Between the Jews and Palestinians subtitle, I would like to add" according to a recent study published in the Cell journal, most Arabs and Jews in the Levant (including modern Palestinians) have a strong genetic connection to the Canaanites.(Here is the link of the study: https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30487-6 Tarekshah1 (talk) 17:00, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

No, the study doesn't state that. It concludes that:

We found that both Arabic-speaking and Jewish populations are compatible with having more than 50% Middle-Eastern-related ancestry. This does not mean that any these present-day groups bear direct ancestry from people who lived in the Middle-to-Late Bronze Age Levant or in Chalcolithic Zagros; rather, it indicates that they have ancestries from populations whose ancient proxy can be related to the Middle East.'

Primary sources, esp. on deeply technical issues, should be sourced via the scholarly literature which comments on them.Nishidani (talk) 20:19, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
To editor Tarekshah1:  Not done: please provide additional reliable secondary sources that support the change you want to be made. That will help you garner a consensus for the addition. Thank you for your work on this! P.I. Ellsworth  ed.  20:27, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Request change to article regarding genetics

Alright so in this wiki in the genetics in one part it states: Nebel proposed that "part, or perhaps the majority" of Muslim Palestinians descend from "local inhabitants, mainly Christians and Jews, who had converted after the Islamic conquest in the seventh century AD

However what it actually says is this: According to historical records part, or perhaps the majority, of the Muslim Arabs in this country descended from local inhabitants, mainly Christians and Jews, who had converted after the Islamic conquest in the seventh century AD (Shaban 1971; Mc Graw Donner 1981). These local inhabitants, in turn, were descendants of the core population that had lived in the area for several centuries, some even since prehistorical times (Gil 1992)... Thus, our findings are in good agreement with the historical record...

Nebel is confirming that the findings of the study agree with the historical record, Nebel never proposed anything here instead Nebel just states that historical records state that Israeli and Palestinian Arab Muslims descend from local inhabitants mainly Jews and Christians, these local inhabitants came from a core population that lives for several decades, some even pre historical times. PoliticalAsianGuy29288282838 (talk) 14:38, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

@Jonesey95 I’m not sure if ur mod but pls check my comment above PoliticalAsianGuy29288282838 (talk) 14:45, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Pls update it and actually state how historical records state this and Nebel confirms that her/his findings confirm these historical records PoliticalAsianGuy29288282838 (talk) 14:46, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

That is probably true but where in Donner and Shaban’s work is that stated WikiPerson28828292929 (talk) 19:15, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Property Losses Estimate

The last sentence of the header reads: "According to Perry Anderson, it is estimated that half of the population in the Palestinian territories are refugees and that they have collectively suffered approximately US$300 billion in property losses due to Israeli confiscations, at 2008–09 prices."

However, the *total* national wealth of neighbouring Jordan (population >10M, greater than 2x the current population of the Gaza Strip + the West Bank) is $146 billion, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_countries_by_total_wealth. Even if property in Israel is substantially more valuable per square foot (possible), Israel's total national wealth is only $1,046 billion or $1.05 trillion (same source), and Israel is an unusually stable/rich/technologically innovative country by Middle Eastern standards so the land in an independent Palestine has no guarantee to be as valuable as land in the state of Israel.

I submit that this sentence should be removed as not credible, or at least have some sort of qualification added to it providing context (such as the total wealth of neighbouring Jordan).

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