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29 May Trinity

St. Martin, Idstein Nun lobet Gott im hohen Thron Gott Vater, sei gepriesen

30 May songs

take courage · encourage
Credo in unum Deum Nun bitten wir den Heiligen Geist Jesu, meine Freude

in memoriam

File:Fracci.jpg

"Seele, vergiß sie nicht" Philipp Harnoncourt Carla Fracci Sarah SV Yoninah with psalms Jerome Kohl in Freundschaft and those who have just given up

28 May music

Bedford Presbyterian Church
Magnificat / Dixit Dominus Coronation Mass A Ceremony of Carols Chichester Psalms / Gloria

2021 · take courage · encourage

take courage in 2021

calling heaven and earth to be glad

Welcome 2021! In the end, 2020 looked quite promising, and it's new year's resolutions can stay. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

My motto for 2021 is taken from a song: tell (announce) all in distress to take courage, as Isaiah wrote. Perhaps I should have just said "encourage!"

Today is my grandparents' wedding anniversary. They loved gardening and made a small summer paradise for us kids, with fruits, vegetables, potatoes, abundant flowers, especially dahlias, and a swing, - so garden will be a topic in 2021, as Beethoven was in 2020, today expanding Stonecrop Gardens. Ongoing: Bach, psalms, recent deaths, opera, Germany, and (my) places and songs.

I love collaboration, and can't mention all 2,500 whom I acknowledged so far, so thank just three of them for constant help: LouisAlain (prolific article translations), Grimes2 (language, sources and articles on request) and Yoninah (psalms and DYK). I make you (three) honorary members of WP:QAI, the project about article quality that I inherited, - more detailed plans are laid out (work in progress) on the project talk. The only reward for members is a monthly calendar image I took, such as the year's picture, - if you (all) want that, sign up ;)

I am proud that I could take recent images of music-making I enjoyed, and plan to do more of that. Off to Stonecrop Gardens. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:47, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

The image is taken from my second Christmas card, a double DYK of a Christmas carol and Psalm 148 that Yoninah and I made together. Today: Psalm 148 (Bernstein), in memory of her who was a blessing. · listen --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:31, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

QAI

I sent the following note to members and friends of QAI = quality article improvement, so here to myself ;) - I tried to give a good start to 2021 by updating the QAI project topics. Please check and correct, - did you know that you belong to project's few members from the beginning who are still active? Yes, I know, I joined as No. 6 when it was founded in 2012, No. 1 is blocked, No. 2 is banned (therefore we call the project also the cabal of the outcast), No. 3 moved away and back under a higher number, Nos 4 and 5 edit but do little project work. Here I am to keep it going, in fond memory of the legacy the founders planted. Precious and Impact are the project's prizes, and I offer monthly thanks to those who are active, - you who read this could be one of them ;)

Ongoing projects, besides writing and reviewing quality articles:

• improve Psalms articles
• improve Bach cantatas articles
• expand and source translations
• polish articles about people who recently died
• offer infoboxes
• perform gnomish tasks: spelling mistakes, unclosed new-line html (<br>, replace by <br />), {{ill}} instead of direct links to foreign-language Wikipedias, {{lang}} for foreign-language text, WP:Colons and asterisks by RexxS, navboxes, especially for operas which so far had sidebars, {{sfn}} instead of {{harv}}.

For moar private "happy new year" see here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:10, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Happy New Year

see also Season's Greetings

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Hello, Gerda Arendt! You are receiving this barnstar because, according to this database query and this database query, you were the #6 most thanked Wikipedian of 2020 as well as the #5 most thankful Wikipedian of 2020, with 1716 recipient entries and 3629 performer entries in Special:Log/thanks. Thank you again for your contributions! Mz7 (talk) 22:00, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

thank you, without (lazy) click ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Oh thankful, too. Now I get it! El_C 22:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

• I agree with this wholeheartedly. Gerda is one of the most amazing Wikipedians I have met in my brief time here. Always kind and always helpful. Please keep being who you are, Gerda, which is as close to perfection as one could get. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 16:22, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

  blushing with thanks, RoseWolf! - please consider to color you talk blue in your signature, - "red link talk" signals "new user", someone to greet with a first welcome ever, and that seems a bit misleading - if not blue, any other colour better than red - Alternatively, you could link "Wolf" to the talk, - nobody would misread that, I guess. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:28, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

  I'm sorry. It's supposed to be a rose pink hue rather than red. I will most definitely alter the color. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 16:31, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

  Is this better or should I just drop the "Talk"? --ARoseWolf (Talk) 16:36, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

  Like this better. Sorry for hijacking your moment. Not my intention in the slightest. Thank you for the tip and congrats. It's well deserved. --ARoseWolf 16:41, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

  YES I like that better, much better! I wasn't even "on" here, - household stuff, no moment lost ;) - Among the gnomish tasks further up, there's an essay by a friend (RexxS) about indenting, - good stuff. (If you need any help with templates, formatting, and even admin tasks, ask him. He just survived COVID so can take a lot.) I did indenting for you above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:01, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Oscar Fritz Schuh

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

my little contrib to Misplaced Pages 20 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:52, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Did you know ... that today, Misplaced Pages celebrates 20 years?

This is fab, well done Gerda! Nice article, never heard of the guy or half of the venues he worked at, so this was highly educational. Thanks! DBaK (talk) 21:49, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

While the first one was planned for the occasion, the second was a happy coincidence - I sang in that revival - and this last one just a coincidence, one of the articles LouisAlain began, as the one below. GRuban added the pic just yesterday, ot that one could also have been on the Main page, imagine. I love this team! GRuban, would you find a pic for Siegfried Palm as well? My second article, and Jerome Kohl (User talk:Jerome Kohl helped me understand that even if a reliable source says something, it can be wrong. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

"The first movement is a chorale fantasia dominated by the trumpet."

BWV 126. And I bet you wrote the sentence above! Isn't it, though, and how glorious. It's directly your responsibility that I am wallowing in this right now, Gerda, because your FAC made me listen to BWV 1 and on my Suzuki vol 34 that's coupled with 126 and 127. And here I am. I had just finished having my socks blown off by the horns in BWV 1 and then up popped 126 with the trumpet, er, dominating the chorale fantasia ... usw. Shocking that I didn't already know it, of course, but I have long since given up apologizing for my ignorance ... it would be a fulltime job otherwise. Gosh, it is an education reading your Talk page! Cheers DBaK (talk) 15:34, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

BWV 1, concertante violin 1

Having seen the poor quality pixilated image for the concertato violin 1 part for BWV 1, I downloaded a high resolution version, slightly rotated and clipped. It's quite readable now. See what you think. Mathsci (talk) 10:42, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you lovely! Please understand that I hesitate to enter BWV 53, a topic I wasn't involved with much and don't know much about. I have enough articles left behind with the feeling of too much discussion vs. little gain in content. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:46, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

I looked at my 1995 boxed version of the Teldec recordings of the Harnoncourt-Leonhardt version. There the 144 page booklet, written by Alfred Dürr, lists the Harnocourt recording as published on 1971 and on original instruments. Audio listings already can sometimes found in library catalogues (including in Germany or the BnF). My other suggestion is to have a brief summary of the discography, with a detailed listing elsewhere using the BSW, as for BWV 4 or Vespro della Beata Vergine. In separate discographies, difficulties with WP:TAGBOMB can be avoided. Mathsci (talk) 09:42, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I had the same idea: split the discography off, - just didn't get to it yet. With some amusement, I read today that I made up my mind to make BWV 1 a featured article, - on this day two years ago. No rush. If you want to proceed with the split already, go ahead. I received a review of the Harnoncourt recording which will be useful, - only read the beginning so far. Graham, perhaps you can help: we want to derive an article Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1 discography from Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1, this version, - how can the edit history appear there, - just attribution on the talk or other? It was done for BWV 4 years ago, copy and paste it seems. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:03, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Good. Can't you arrange the split together with Nikkimaria? I'm sure Graham87 will also be able to help you in sorting out edit histories for proper attribution to be given. Mathsci (talk) 11:09, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, attribution in the edit summary and on the talk page (with {{copied}}) would be fine. Graham87 11:33, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

• In private, I mentioned Volume 2 of the book "The Cantatas of Johann Sebastian Bach, Sacred and Secular" by W. Gillies Whittaker. This is not available online, but I purchased a copy, which looks untouched. (At that stage, Oxford University Press did not use computers; so unfortunately two pages of the index, 746 and 752, have been printed twice, with cantatas 14–57 not appearing in the index.) For BWV 1, there are six pages of musical commentary on pages 104–110. There is a detailed musical analysis of the movements, with scored quotations, particularly for the opening chorale fantasia. Here are some extracts concerning the first movement:

The first of the inexhaustible treasure troves issued by the BGS, beginning in 1851, and continuing for nearly half-a-century to astonish those musicians who had eyes to see, ears to hear, and spirits to be moved, could scarcely have opened more auspiciously than with the opening chorus of the hymn–cantata 'Wie schön leuchtet die Morgenstern' The stately, leisurely, richly coloured 12/8 fantasia resembles in character the great chorus in . The scintillating concertante violins keep the Star perpetually in sight, the horns tell of the royal dignity of the Wise Men, the movement of the bass brings before our eyes the swinging of the long file of richly laden camels across the desert, the frequent reiteration of chords the treading of many feet in the sand. It is one of the most unforgettable pictures in musical art Long as the chorus is, we do not regret a single bar. The kaleidoscopic changes of the fascinating material keep one's interest continually stimulated. It is a superb manifestation of the composer's genius.

The musical quotations in this passage have been omitted, as well as the detailed musical description (e.g. how the two concertante violins enter first in Violin II, echoed later, a fifth higher, in Violin I, etc). In his recent book that accompanies his recordings of the complete cantatas, John Eliot Gardiner often quotes parts of Whittaker's book. Mathsci (talk) 19:28, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Beginning at the end: I noticed that Gardiner takes a lot from Whittaker, including spring associations of that movement. I smiled reading about the richly laden camels ;) - At present, I'm mostly interested in stability for the article, - hope you understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

No comment. Yesterday I created the article Johannes-Ernst Köhler. Reading between the lines, he was probably not a particularly nice person. Mathsci (talk) 20:27, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for that, - I gave it a bit of formatting. Reading between lines is an art. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

The pamphlet "Ex-Nazis in the service of the GDR" with one page devoted to the organist Köhler was disquieting: joining the NSDAP in 1937, etc. In his duties, might he have tried out the Walcker five-manual "diabolo" organ in the Congress Hall at Nürnberg? Part of Bach reception that is best avoided. Mathsci (talk) 16:53, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations on your current DYK, which now appears on the main page. I see that the DYK was prepared and discussed last month on Talk:Peter Wollny. Is it due to be modified? Mathsci (talk) 12:39, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! - Well, Francis said it might be misunderstood as Mahler having made it, vs. owned it, and I said so a few hours ago on WP:ERRORS, but no reaction I noticed. For our average readership, it may be good enough. I'll change if it gets changed on the Main page. Francis made the red link, and the news came around while a different fact (about BWV 20) was already approved, - "in the news" for once, - I like that. The ITN section reports deaths, sports wins, desasters, politics, - nice to have a cultural news item for a change, even if in the "wrong" section. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:55, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

• As you see, I have incorporated parts of Whittaker's commentary above into the section on the first movement of BWV 1. Apart from the quotes supplied here, however, I have avoided giving any detailed musical analysis: there are two pages of it, but that does not seem to be the style of the article. I have mentioned the horns and their regal quality.

I noticed that you added wikilinks for Peter Wollny wherever possible: it kept appearing in my watchlist. I am not sure why you didn't mention Michael Maul in the article. Like the Acid Bath Murders in the Chamber of Horrors at Madame Tussauds, all traces of the DYK on Peter Wollny have now disappeared without trace. Mathsci (talk) 22:08, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the Whittaker. I have enough conflict without arguing over Wollny, and sorry, I didn't know Maul yet, - always learning. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:18, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Having looked at Dürr & Jones, Whittaker, Cantagrel (in French) and Leisinger, the analysis of the first movement still requires a little more effort. The musical analysis starts with the 10 line melody or cantus firmus, from which the initial solo violin motifs derive; the inversions of the final phrase furnish second motifs for all the solo instrumental groups (horns, oboes d'amore, violins). The opening 12 bar ritornello/sinfonia punctuates and concludes the movement. The choice of instrumentation, with the brilliant concertante violins playing against the lower instrumental groups, permits the scintillating and transparent violin passagework to be heard easily.

The 10 lines of the cantus firmus are punctuated by episodes, which are easy to describe: recurrences of the sinfonia; the first motifs heard by different solo groups; and a duet between the concertante violins. Lines 2 and 5 precede a stretto version of the tenor and alto line (i.e. sung at twice the speed in minims instead of semibreves). The plain line of a single chord with one word in the voices has already been mentioned in the text. Otherwise there are contrapuntal entries in the lower voices which double the instruments; or the glittering semiquaver passagework of the violins is heard over the vocal lines.

The sources thus give the same kind of presentation of the musical analysis: firstly the soprano cantus firmus in long notes; secondly the thematic material from the sinfonia which is originally derived from the melody (e.g. triads); and finally the three lower vocal parts which use the stretto form of the cantus firmus or imitate the motifs of the sinfonia. Possibly it is less complex than the opening movements of BWV 39 or BWV 105 which are both more sombre and reflective; but, with its jubilant spirit and rapid changes between different episodes, there is never a dull moment. Mathsci (talk) 14:28, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Can you please do that? My English just isn't up to it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Gerda: I found this English translation of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern from the Lyra Davidica printed in London in 1708 by J. Walsh, J. Hare and P. Randal. What do you think?

Thank you, interesting. Translating poetry is almost impossible. Missing "süße" where it stands but added as "sweet face", adding "divine" ... - For history of the hymn, perhaps? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:58, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Here's another ad hoc translation using several old sources, but using several words close to the original German. Mathsci (talk) 12:46, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

We're better using non-poetic but literal translations (or creating our own, if it is for the incipits such as at BWV 227) for critical commentary, such as what one would expect from a serious analysis. Although, to be fair the Lyra Davidica version seems far closer to the German than the usual "How brightly shines the morning star"... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:45, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• Slowly and steadily I am writing the material for the first movement, as we discussed. I added the image of the soprano part, because, even if in the soprano clef, it is very useful to see the cantus firmus. For the English translation, I have laboured hard to get as many words close to German into the English translation. "reich von Gaben" came out on as "rich in wonder", since "gaben" for "gifts" did not fit into the rhyming jigsaw puzzle. There was a transferred epithet at the end which did not change the sense ("most sublime in splendour" instead of "most splendidly sublime"). I hope to finish today, but it is quite exhausting. Mathsci (talk) 12:35, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Dear Gerda: as you see I have prepared the full version of the musical analysis of Movement 1, which was complex since elemnts need to be added bit by bit. This for example explaining the overall bar form was obvious once the A-A-B text: Gilles Cantagrel emphasised that. Some matters might still needing sorting out, but it's seems OK at the moment. With Gog the Mild, there was an agreement on how to come to assess Movement 1. I am sending you an email about Movement 1 to discuss any issues. Regards, Mathsci (talk) 05:21, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! I could not have done it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:49, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Dreikönigskirche, Frankfurt

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I like to see my pic, and show a diferent one today ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Nun lasst uns gehn und treten

On 22 January 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Nun lasst uns gehn und treten, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that both Jochen Klepper and Hildegard Schaeder sought solace amidst the horror of the Nazi regime in Paul Gerhardt's 17th-century New Year's song "Nun lasst uns gehn und treten"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nun lasst uns gehn und treten. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Nun lasst uns gehn und treten), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

The world needs more mensch

I see both sides, but you were right to bring it up. I only knew her through my watch list but I know she was a tireless and fair volunteer. Take care, Tiderolls 13:43, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

thank you, feel understood, and even where I sowed some fruit of response could be enjoyed (because, as I explained to one per email: the message of saying nothing may be correct but is too ambiguous) - I never worked with her on an article, but saw her go and come back several times, and saw her contributions that can hardly be overrated --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:52, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Jerome Kohl

On 28 January 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jerome Kohl, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Jerome Kohl, a music theorist of the University of Washington, was recognized internationally as an authority on the composer Karlheinz Stockhausen, publishing a book on his Zeitmaße in 2017? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jerome Kohl. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Jerome Kohl), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

This is wonderful. Well-deserved award. :)

Peace forever, Jerry. Antandrus (talk) 00:47, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Friends, you made me cry.

Luigi Nono and Stockhausen at the Darmstädter Ferienkurse

I looked up to Jerome from the day he came in my life (in 2009, telling me that was a eliable source said about Stockhausen was wrong, - it's still on the talk of Siegfried Palm, my second article), and I imagine our conversations - thoughtful, on a meadow - as pictured, in the spirit of Stockhausen's wonderful titles: In Freundschaft, Kontakte, Originale, Licht ... We never met. We edit-warred over Wittener Tage für neue Kammermusik and Georg Katzer, but always with respect. (If you want a tedious task, change the now deprecated parenthetical references, in hundreds of articles.) We worked together on many other. He thanked me for links to performers of Stockhausen's music, and I tried to mention their relation to the composer on the Main page, see Wolfgang Marschner (intentionally in memory), and before.

Jerome remains an inspiration, for the world. I will remember what he wrote (about Karlheinz Stockhausen and William Waterhouse (bassoonist) who died within a few weeks in 2011, and Stockhausen had just acknowledged WW for a memorial book): "I hope that they have met again in the beyond and are making joyous music together." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:50, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

A beautiful bouquet of flowers to celebrate the memory of a special person. Well done Gerda. MarnetteD|Talk 17:16, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Herr, mach uns stark

On 30 January 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Herr, mach uns stark, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Anna Martina Gottschick wrote the hymn "Herr, mach uns stark" because a composer wanted to make Ralph Vaughan Williams's 1906 melody of "For All the Saints" available for German church singing? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Herr, mach uns stark. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Herr, mach uns stark), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

in the 2021 series courage --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:21, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Schloss Freudenberg

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

one of my places --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations

Your DYK hook about Schloss Freudenberg and its Dunkebar drew 6,352 page views (529 per hour) while on the Main Page. It is the one of most viewed hooks so far during the month of February and has earned a place on the Best of February list. Keep up the great work! Cbl62 (talk) 10:36, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Interested in Music of Sudan?

Dear Gerda, as you already have enjoyed reading my article on the literature of Sudan, you might perhaps also be able to review my article about the Music of Sudan for GA status? It has been waiting for a reviewer since Sep 2nd, and even though I am in no hurry, I certainly would love to get your feedback. - It's not about European music, for sure, ;) but I suspect you might also be interested in the fascinating music of Sudan. And if you should have other priorities on your busy schedule, I certainly would understand that, too. Viele Grüße, Munfarid1 (talk) 15:13, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

I will certainly read it, interested, but - being not a native speaker - don't do GA reviews. Perhaps one of my visitors will pick it up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:17, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for both your quick reactions this afternoon. I didn't know about the restriction for GA reviewers and hope, somebody will be ready for the task soon... - And just read Pueblo pottery. - Amazing wealth of material, as it is a topic of American cultural history. I was especially interested in the paragraph Decontextualization, looting and black market trade, as it relates to my article about the Report on the restitution of African cultural heritage - which is also available in German. And finally, I thoroughly enjoyed your article on the Schmuddelkinder, which makes me reminisce about my days as a student in Freiburg i.Br. in the 70s! Munfarid1 (talk) 16:09, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

I spent a memorable day there then, - funny to think we might have met ;) - Netherzone, I hope you watch here. (Netherzone wrote the pottery article, I was just the nominator.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:21, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads-up ping. I will watch to see how things unfold. Netherzone (talk) 16:27, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

see below --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:49, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

pretiosus

Thankyou for my precious birthday card. It must keep you monstrously busy sending them out. However as I was one of the early ones I hold it as a high honour and hope to have many happy returns! The jewel reminds me of one of the faces on the Sutton Hoo whetstone, a subject with which I once had something to do before ever I was Eebahgum - but that was long ago, now my inspiration is a song... "O wüsst' ich doch den Weg zurück..."; but, "Vorbei sind die Kinderspiele, Und alles rollt vorbei - Das Geld und die Welt und die Zeiten..." - though, while you keep us all connected, there is still a bit of "Glauben und Lieb' und Treu" - ! Thanks for that. Eebahgum (talk) 01:37, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Eebahgum, thank you, blushing. - The cards keep me busy but sending is my pleasant morning exercise, thinking of how much there is to be thankful for. It's almost a selfish thing, making my day better. I had to stop making the jewel larger, and possibly ten will be the end, perhaps asking people to give more reminders to themslves (as I did two days ago).

DYK that I just had different Kinderspiele exposed here? Today: an alto singer who is pictured in my 2021 infobox, great place, great music (Part VI of course but the article is not yet developed), I was in the choir. She sang St Matthew Passion for us, and I heard her three times recently at another great place, taking pictures twice, and one appeared on the Main page. Music will survive us ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:49, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Just think - and today is riddle-day for Trumpelstiltskin, too! Eebahgum (talk) 08:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

lol ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:38, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Innisfree Garden

On 11 February 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Innisfree Garden, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Innisfree Garden in Millwood, New York, was developed from the 1930s by a painter fascinated with an 8th-century Chinese artist, and a landscape architect from Harvard? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Innisfree Garden. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Innisfree Garden), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

topic of the year, sad that the image was not taken --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:15, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you, Gerda, for your well wishes. -- Jack of Oz 22:19, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the visit, and look around for music ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Arik Brauer

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:01, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations

Your DYK hook about Arik Brauer and his wide-ranging artistic accomplishments drew 12,337 page views (514 per hour) while on the Main Page. It is one of the most viewed hooks so far during the month of February and has earned a place on the Best of February list. Keep up the great work! Cbl62 (talk) 14:13, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Precious!

		The Good Heart Barnstar
		Thank you for your extraordinary work on Misplaced Pages and especially for your recognitions and encouragement over the years. All of it is indeed precious. --LilHelpa (talk) 13:34, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for coming over. I remember how you helped me through a rough start in a foreign language environment, and am always please when I see your recognizable name on my watchlist. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:18, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

You are amazing

	Amazing Concerto Award
	Thank you for your tireless contributions to classical music, and for your tireless contributions in keeping readers informed. Your efforts are like a concerto; a solo instrument accompanied by an orchestra. I believe my choice of images is the picture that speaks 1000 words. Atsme 💬 📧 12:11, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, lovely, blushing moar - will go to blushing! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes Gerda, you "really put the T into turtle"! (And yes, I've often seen my role as very much like those tiddlers. Only joking! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:53, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

I worded the above in 2015 as a comment to my arbcom case, 2013, remember? Now a friend of mine is taken there, and I seem to have language difficulties to even see a problem. ... Drmies, we have this premature arbcase request where the step of personal approach was left out, and going to AN would mean about the same, no? ...

Regarding my troubles with arbcom: I like a composer with an infobox declared GA. This would not have been possible in the days we better forget. The opera sideboxes - which should have been the only topic in the arbcase - are disappearing nicely. I often said that the ultimate wisdom on arbitration was given here, and the ultimate ten rules (including choosing your battles) here. Can't be repeated too much. I choose not to go to the current arb case request, feeling sorry for the waste of time of all involved: all respected Menschen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:58, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Wilhelm Knabe

MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:06, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

for future - thank you for the update, Mandarax! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:01, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

RexxS

this user misses Flyer22 Frozen singing in defiance

this user misses RexxS (stolen from Bish 4 March)

Thank you for Misplaced Pages:Colons and asterisks, User:RexxS/Infobox factors, and the precious anniversary template that I use every day. I heard my song of defiance yesterday, and Ich lasse dich nicht, du segnest mich denn, BWV 157 (I will not let you go ...) - dance music for a funeral - but let go. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:01, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

listen on YouTube --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:55, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

what we'll miss --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:58, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

for context: User talk:Hammersoft#Precious anniversary, or: before going to arbcom, try person-to-person talk, and then you hopefully don't have to go to arbcom - caution, long, in a nutshell (Hammersoft, 24 Feb, bolding by me):

I have a much simpler guide to arbitration. After spending many months working on it, cutting a word here, finessing a phrase there, I finally arrived at the final version. Here it is, the Ultimate Guide to Arbitration: Don't.

Don't. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:15, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Today's little tribute: Vertraut den neuen Wegen - trust the new ways. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:53, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

... last line: Das Land ist hell und weit. The land is bright and wide. (written in 1989 in Germany's East, when it was dark and narrow.) Trust the new ways. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:51, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

, me too!! Atsme 💬 📧 18:31, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Motivation barnstar

		The Misplaced Pages Motivation Barnstar
		For your ceaseless efforts to recognize and support Wikipedians, not just through your unending dedication to seek out and recognize good Wikipedians with the Precious award, but going even beyond that to recognize Precious anniversaries. There's no reason you would want to be spending time going to people's pages and recognizing their Precious anniversaries, yet you do it anyway. I don't know why you do it, it's not like you get anything out of it, but you're literally one of the few, if not only, Wikipedians who dedicate themselves to complimenting others. I suspect it's a thankless task, but it's a valuable one. What you do motivates people, it energizes people, and it makes people feel like they're a worthy part of the project and the community. I think you're an unsung hero of this project. Best, ~Swarm~ 10:11, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Swarm, and how I need it right now, myself. - You are wrong though, twice: It's rather selfish because a round of checking what there is to be thankful for, at the beginning of the day, improves my mood, and I receive many thanks for the reminders, - almost undeserved because they are now so easy that RexxS made me the template where all I have to do is pick the right number. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm sure we'd never want you to be "unsung", Gerda! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:27, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

slow Mozart is not bad for my mood - one of my missing friends was inheritance of loss --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:45, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Well-deserved accolades from Swarm, Gerda!! You put the class in classical music. It makes sadness a bit more tolerable. I just learned about Yoninah, and my heart sank. I never had the opportunity to collaborate with her, but even so, it always makes me sad to learn a Wikipedian has died. Life is so short. That's why it's so important to be enjoy life to the fullest, and be kind to one another. Always take time to stop and smell the roses. Atsme 💬 📧 02:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

I smell wild garlic now! Thank you so much, Atsme, blushing deeper. Did you check out inheritance of loss? 2012, and still on my mind. Flyer22, Yoninah, RexxS - we are loosing those who established high standards for this project. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:12, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

I just wanted to drop by to echo everything that Swarm said - it made a difference to me when you gave me a Precious award, and I've since noticed your support of many others. Thank you for everything you do. Ganesha811 (talk) 15:09, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Carmen

Carmen, illustration in Journal Amusant

Carmen is an opera in four acts which Georges Bizet set to a libretto by the team of Henri Meilhac and Ludovic Halévy, based on Prosper Mérimée's novella. When it was first performed by the Opéra-Comique in Paris on 3 March 1875, its breaking of conventions shocked and scandalized its first audiences.

The opera was originally written with musical numbers and spoken dialogue. Set in southern Spain, it tells of the downfall of Don José, a naïve soldier who is seduced by the fiery gypsy Carmen, and finally kills her in a jealous rage. The depictions of proletarian life, immorality, and lawlessness broke new ground in French opera. Bizet died suddenly after the 33rd performance, unaware that the work would achieve international acclaim within the following ten years. Carmen has become one of the most frequently performed operas, with the "Habanera" and the "Toreador Song" among the best known of all operatic arias. The music has been acclaimed for its brilliance of melody, harmony, atmosphere and orchestration, and for Bizet's skill in expressing the emotions and suffering of his characters.

"... in expressing the emotions and suffering of his characters" - worded admirably by Brianboulton, and the apt image added by Voceditenore - great teamwork! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Andréa Guiot

On 8 March 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Andréa Guiot, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Andréa Guiot appeared internationally in French soprano roles such as Mireille, Marguerite, Manon, and Micaëla in Bizet's Carmen, which she recorded alongside Maria Callas in the title role? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Andréa Guiot. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Andréa Guiot), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

IWD II --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Best Wishes for today, with respect (Women's Day ...)

... sorry I don't know how to put a flower icon now)

Liebe Gerda, Ich wünsche Dir alles Bestens für heute mit viele Respekt!(KIENGIR (talk) 14:01, 8 March 2021 (UTC))

Danke! Look around, two women the team (LouisAlain, Grimes2) worked for DYK, and a friend's article TFA - so far so good. Carmen mentioned again on the Main page also good. Missing a friend is not, - stealing the image from the TFA ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:42, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

I saw the recruitment advertisement tag at the top, how many women will join WP today? :) (KIENGIR (talk) 14:51, 8 March 2021 (UTC))

Good Job! Your hard work is very much appreciated. Panini 01:49, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, now going to praise you for your first TFA, - enjoy! - My work is not hard, - hard are the things I don't get done. I'd love more arbitration (example pictured), not what we know here under that name. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:38, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Lester Collins (landscape architect)

On 15 March 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lester Collins (landscape architect), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Lester Collins developed Innisfree Garden over 55 years, and it was listed in the US National Register of Historic Places in 2019? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lester Collins (landscape architect). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Lester Collins (landscape architect)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Role Model Barnstar
	For your daily efforts to spread positivity, to remember, recognise and affirm other Wikipedians. For your empathy, humour, kindness and unflappability. Reading your thoughtful Precious award dedication to me was an uplifting and affirming moment for me. Thank you for all that you do. You are a role model, to me and many others! Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 04:00, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

blushing deeply: Kohlrabi Pickle, I try. Kohlrabi today, in the fridge already ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:30, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Hehe, make some pickle out of it! Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 10:13, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Gerda, I wanted to share with you that I have created a mini-award to recognise and affirm members of the small community that works on Singapore-related articles. I hope I'm able to bring some of your positivity to this little corner of Misplaced Pages! Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 05:01, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

That's a lovely idea! The recipient will know what the prize name is, I didn't ;) - I had to understand that the foreign language IS a prize name, and therefore the "(Misplaced Pages)" made some sense. What do you think of having s translation or explanation instead of the neutral "An award for you", and/or an image that connects immediately to Singapore? ... as the sapphire connects immediately to its photographer who passed the "earlier" stars of "awesome Wikipedian" for several years, my model ... (now blocked), or as the cherry connects to the one who gave it to me ... (then desysopped, and dead, but remembered). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:44, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

That's a great suggestion! Certainly I can do a translation of the award: it is essentially the Wikipedian equivalent of the Meritorious Service Medal, perhaps the equivalent of the British MBE. Maybe I'll put that in the header instead. Do you know anywhere where there's a list or collection of these kinds of awards that I can look at for inspiration? The cherry is indeed a very meaningful symbol. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 12:40, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Excellent! - see Category:Misplaced Pages awards, + navbox in it, and integrate yours when ready! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:46, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much for all your help! Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 12:49, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Die Fliege top icon

Hi Gerda, I hope you're well. I've just created a Die Fliege top icon that I thought you might be interested in. I haven't added any user categories yet. I was wondering if it's permissible to add top icons to the user pages of other editors who have moved on, in which case it could add them to "Category:Users who are no longer with us" or words to that effect. Or perhaps it's better if editors just add it to their own user page, in which case I'm not sure of any suitable categories would be appropriate. Any ideas? nagualdesign 02:30, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for coming, just when I had to add one of the saddest losses, Yoninah. I'd leave it to users. You could offer a topicon, but I think that the creature looks alive is its charm. When I die, I want my user talk as it is no candle, no extra icons, as for the great SBHB. -- Yoninah and I made my last Christmas card, DYK? (pictured on top) We worked on Psalm 148, and I asked if she wanted an extra DYK for the psalm, and she - great soul - said it was alright as a double nom. She was a blessing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:59, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that. Good point about not making changes to an editor's user page. I won't add any usercats to the template. Best wishes, nagualdesign 22:27, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

I added Die Fliege to her talk, and someone removed it as looking like a computer virus. - I smiled and restored it. I wrote a little article in Yoninah's memory: I checked out Psalm 148 (Bernstein) which turned out to be extra interesting, his earliest surviving work recorded in a collection "A Jewish Legacy", of all titles. El C, that's also for you. YouTube video in the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:51, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Beautiful rendition. Nice article. The man was an American treasure, much like Yoninah was a Misplaced Pages one. El_C 01:42, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

You said that well. The article will grow a bit, and then go to DYK where she worked miracles. Psalm 85 appeared pictured, DYK? - The work we began is at WP:QAI/Psalms: missing numbers, missing Hebrew text, missing leads, missing details. She helped with 59. The recipe is at WT:QAI#Psalms. Inspiration promised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:33, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sehet, wir gehn hinauf gen Jerusalem, BWV 159

The article Sehet, wir gehn hinauf gen Jerusalem, BWV 159 you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Sehet, wir gehn hinauf gen Jerusalem, BWV 159 for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. ... Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Aza24 -- Aza24 (talk) 08:21, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the review, Aza! The article appeared on DYK, ... that Picander used one of the sayings of Jesus on the cross for an aria in Bach's cantata Sehet, wir gehn hinauf gen Jerusalem, BWV 159, for the last Sunday before Lent? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:27, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

No problem, and good to hear about the DYK. Your Bach DYKs always make the section more interesting...! Aza24 (talk) 08:35, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

This one was in 2011. I did it like Bach and wrote one every week then ;) - Most were approved by Rlevse who was then a pillar of DYK, as Yoninah was for the last years. I'll promised myself to bring Chichester Psalms to GA in memory of her, after today's little tribute, Psalm 148 (Bernstein). Psalm 148 was our last work together, and went to my Christmas card because she modestly declined to say something extra for the psalm, - she should have gotten that role model barnstar. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:43, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Psalms (in memoriam)

Ps 82-85 (starting at 6m30, Ps 84 at 13m45, though really no reason to skip the introit by Tallis, which is top class as you'd expect). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 16:50, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Beautiful, thanks for sharing! - On Psalms, there's a question (somewhere in the beginning), about linking psalm recordings in Salisbury style, by a woman, in English. I don't know. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:34, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Heard this while driving back home today. Another not particularly well known composer... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 20:01, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Lovely! I like Zelenka a lot. I heard - in a concert for Reformation Day 1917, the 500 year biggy - one of his masses, combined with BWV 80. Today Graupner: great, a mature 1741 work, see above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:24, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

1917? :) I just did a quick lookup but found only record labels (1) (2). I'll have to look up in more scholarly sources when I get the time. Even if I do, no hope of getting this up and fast through DYK for thursday, right? RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 20:28, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

sorry, typo, 2017 of course, when Reformation was celebrated 500 years, - life concert in Gütersloh, a relatives round birthday - was a nice idea to invite guests to that concert - Thursday is tough, but one can always try, - I nominated one for Friday yesterday, and another today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

I have I penitenti al sepolcro del redentore, ZWV 63 for the time being. Will see if I can find better sources. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 20:42, 28 March 2021 (UTC) - Now moved to mainspace cause I found a book which almost certainly (99.9%) does talk about this... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:23, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Promotion of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1

Thank you, Gog, you were mild ;) - It's planned to appear on 25 March 2022. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:57, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Proud I am not, it's the work of many, and I appreciate the help of former editors, reviewers and contributors, especially Francis Schonken, Mathsci and Thoughtfortheday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:10, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you...

...for arranging such beautiful tributes on Main Page for Yoninah, as well as the Signpost remembrance. I wish I had something as lovely and comforting to offer as you always seem to, but I will have to make do with my thanks and my condolences. I know if I am shocked and griefstricken, it must only be that much more so for you who worked so closely with her for so many years. Truly, I hope those memories may be a blessing. Innisfree987 (talk) 21:27, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, - and yes, she was a blessing to last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Hey there!

I may be semi-retired these days but was thinking of you earlier. So this is just a quick drive-by messaging, to tell you that you are awesome and thank you for all that you do here!! :) - Alison 04:03, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Alison, blushing. I take it as a praise of teamwork. On the Main page now (on Good Friday): the Honan Chapel by Ceoil and friends, who invited me to it last year, and the above cantata, which I just heard and photographed, and nominated late, so could get to there only with friends making exceptions. I am thankful for that. I miss too many people (who died or have just given up, - I wrote He was despised in 2012 thinking not only of Jesus but what we do here to each other, and it still happens), so am especially thankful for each sign of life, like you coming over ;) I'd normally sing in choir today, and miss it, so try to interest some others in the music. Look around! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:26, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Alison, when I added your line to the section, I read some again, and found treasures I had forgotten, from people who can't add, - overwhelming. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:44, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Christ lag in Todes Banden (Christ lay in death's bonds), BWV 4, is a chorale cantata for Easter by Johann Sebastian Bach, one of his earliest church cantatas. It is agreed to be an early work, partly for stylistic reasons and partly because there is evidence that it was probably written for a performance in 1707. Text and music are based on Luther's hymn of the same name, derived from medieval models. In each of seven vocal movements, Bach used the unchanged words of a stanza of the chorale and its tune as a cantus firmus. Although all movements are in E minor, Bach intensified the meaning of the text through a variety of musical forms and techniques. He performed the cantata again as Thomaskantor in Leipzig, beginning in 1724 for his first Easter there. Only this second version survived, scored for four vocal parts (soprano part pictured) and a Baroque instrumental ensemble with strings and a choir of cornetto and three trombones. John Eliot Gardiner described the cantata as Bach's "first-known attempt at painting narrative in music" and "a bold, innovative piece of musical drama".

Five years ago, when I improved this article, with the help of many, I thought of a dear person who had just died, Alison, and of the conductor who taught me the significance of the piece, and I knew sooner than Misplaced Pages that he had died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Happy Easter!

Happy Easter, Gerda! (I'm trusting it's Sunday when you read this.) I was wondering whether I should request an Image Review for the Mynors FAC. I've seen Buidhe do such a review for some candidates; I thought it might be useful to generate progress on the candidacy. Is it appropriate to ask them, or other editors who do these reviews (I've seen Nikkimaria do some), for a review? Or is is better etiquette to wait? All the best, Modussiccandi (talk) 22:27, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you and happy Easter to you! - I'd wait. More regarding Easter after sleep. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:37, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

• Hello and good morning to you Gerda. We may not always agree on everything we discuss, but I would still wish to greet you a Happy Easter this year and may the rest of the year be a good one for you. Greetings. Narutolovehinata5 04:14, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

  Thank you, and also to you. Thank you for coming over! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

• Haec dies quam fecit Dominus. Exultemus et laetemur in ea. Alleluia! () Happy Easter! Appreciate your help with the DYK, amongst others. I should have more free time available in a few weeks so any suggestions of something useful to be done? Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 04:19, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Christians, awake, salute the happy morn, thank you for that one, true every day, and I just did. Last year, we thought of Penderecki's Haec dies quam fecit Dominus., - true every day. This year, we think of Yoninah and RexxS. May she rest in peace. For him, I silently hope for a resurexxSion. "Don't believe in miracles. Rely on them". (Mascha Kaléko)

Thanks. Makes me thing: heard this while driving this morning (FA suggestion for next year?); improvised on this (I've heard German tunes sung in French churches with the German lyrics, but considering even Latin is beyond my singers..., I had to content myself with improvising); and then heard this while driving back. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:49, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

I seriously thought about Erfreut euch, ihr Herzen, for the second day of Easter, for 2023 because next year we try the Morgenstern ;) - Christ ist erstanden: see above, The Song, no Easter without it, and Brahms connects both to Yoninah and Alison, - our conductor did it as his farewell piece. DBaK, we had a trumpet yesterday! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

RandomCanadian, we (Germans) have an Easter hymn, "Bleibe bei uns, du Wandrer durch die Zeit". Text by de:Peter Gerloff (who is User:Rabanus Flavus), music just says "William Henry Monk 1861". Of which hymn originally? Per the metre, "Christians, awake" would even match. Of course we could ask the author ;) - Imagine: I found it: "Abide with Me". Close enough. Perhaps it's even a translation. Next year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:25, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Es ist gar keine Übersetzung. Auch, es ist etwas seltsam, dass die Beziehung zwischen die zwei Lieder ist nicht bezeicht (z.B. oder ). Though; the "Stay with us, for it is evening" theme is present in both songs (one as a direct quotation/paraphrase from the Emmaus story; the other as a more general prayer). The English hymn is also more commonly (but not exclusively) associated with funerals (somewhat anti-thematic for Easter?). Since you don't seem to have known it (I instantly recognised the melody), here's a good arrangement from Cambridge. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 17:01, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello to Gerda and all! As my name was mentioned here... The evening and decease hymn Abide with me has been turned into German by Theodor Werner, a Protestant pastor, in 1952: "Bleib bei mir, Herr! Der Abend bricht herein". This hymn is in the Evangelisches Gesangbuch (Nr. 488). I had known this version already before, and I always liked the melody, but my "Bleibe bei uns", indeed, is not nor wants to be a translation, but refers to the Emmaus gospel. The Gotteslob (2013) contains another version "Bleib bei uns, Herr" (Nr. 94) with the Monk melody, destinated for evening prayers, but this one is not a translation of Lytes text, either. - Dux vitae mortuus regnat vivus! Österliche Grüße, --Rabanus Flavus (talk) 17:47, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Danke, und ebenfalls österliche Grüße! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:53, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Happy Easter! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

A very happy Easter to you Gerda. As ever you include something for me to learn from and that is much appreciated. MarnetteD|Talk 18:45, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it has been a happy Easter for me. Christ is Risen indeed!--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 02:03, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Le Sacre du printemps

la consagració de la primavera
Pina Bausch's Tanztheater Wuppertal Barcelona, 2008

Le Sacre du printemps is a ballet and orchestral concert work by Igor Stravinsky. It was written for the 1913 Paris season of Sergei Diaghilev's Ballets Russes company, with choreography by Vaslav Nijinsky and stage designs and costumes by Nicholas Roerich. The ballet caused a near-riot in the audience when first performed, on 29 May 1913 at the Théâtre des Champs-Élysées in Paris, but rapidly achieved success, and later became recognised as one of the most influential musical works of the 20th century. The score has many novel features, including experiments in tonality, metre, rhythm, stress and dissonance. The scenario is the celebration of spring by primitive rituals; in the end a sacrificial victim dances herself to death. After its explosive premiere the ballet was not performed until the 1920s, when Léonide Massine's rechoreographed version was the first of many innovative productions by the world's leading choreographers. Providing "endless stimulation for performers and listeners" alike, Le Sacre is among the most recorded works in the classical repertoire.

Article about Stravinsky's ballet by Brian Boulton, 50 years after the composer's death, Aza's idea, thanks to all. It had a scandaloous 1913 premiere - Aza's idea, thanks to all! The scandalous 2013 infobox discussion can be read, now with some smiles, in Archive 3. Don't forget: Rhythm is it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:02, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Vertraut den neuen Wegen

On 7 April 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Vertraut den neuen Wegen, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a German theologian wrote "Vertraut den neuen Wegen" to be sung at a wedding in Eisenach shortly before the fall of the Wall? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Vertraut den neuen Wegen. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Vertraut den neuen Wegen), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 12:01, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

This - trust in new ways - was meant as a call to RexxS, hoping for a resurexxSion. Call to self, also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:41, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Schlosspark, Brühl

 — Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

in the series garden, in memory of the first outing with my mother after her hip surgery --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Schmücke dich, o liebe Seele

Evening, Gerda. I thought you might be interested to hear that this will be the first music at the Duke of Edinburgh’s funeral tomorrow. Moonraker (talk) 22:31, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for telling us, excellent choice. Schmücke dich, o liebe Seele. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Will that be Bach's prelude, BWV 654? We thank Mathsci. Last lines: "daß ich auch, wie jetzt auf Erden, mög dein Gast im Himmel werden." - that I may be your guest in heaven. Do you feel tempted to add a translation to the article? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:02, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

I see, of course Bach's prelude. Feel free to expand the others. I go outside. Will do Jubilate Deo (Britten) later today if nobody else does. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

This is the music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:49, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Also: William Lovelady who set Psalm 104. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello!

Hi, Gerda! It seems you have found me in my obscurity. Nothing like a pandemic to bring one back to Sibelius! I have big plans for his compositions... Silence of Järvenpää (talk) 01:20, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Silence of Järvenpää, yes, I was pleased to notice that your silence was broken - I remember the ice-breaking composition ;) - good plans, it seems. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:35, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Pun not intended, I suspect? :) Silence of Järvenpää (talk) 02:02, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

When I wrote about that piece, Islossningen i Uleå älv, I thought about the frozen infoboxes situation, DYK? When was that, 2015? I found this image then, see also, and proclaimed on the Main page that it is a political statement (which was my political statement). It softened then, and the situation is much better now. Remember that I was called out for battleground behaviour in 2013 over the new {{infobox opera}} that I supported and used, and yesterday counted 1,524 of them. But it's still not over, see Mozart, or Joseph (opera). As if it wasn't enough that people die and leave, which made me take a different "frozen" pic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:36, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, you certainly have an ally (here and here) in me, Gerda! The infobox is the one thing on WP I will go to the mat for. Also, a request: I cannot figure out how to move Jungfrun i tornet to The Maiden in the Tower... I think we should do so because both modern recordings use the English title rather than the Swedish; unlike, say, Jedermann which is always presented in the Swedish on the Vänskä and Segerstam recordings. Silence of Järvenpää (talk) 18:38, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

It takes an admin to do that. Graham87, El C, anybody watching? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:45, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Silence of Järvenpää, you may want to say something for Joseph, perhaps, but see below, you will be treated as one of my cohorts ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:47, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Done. How's that for service? El_C 18:49, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

perfect! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:58, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I was not aware we had such an avid creator of Sibelius content in our midsts :) I do wonder if you plan to take a look at Finlandia at some point, as it seems to get the most page views—I'd be willing to help out there if you do... Aza24 (talk) 18:51, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Go ahead, you two. I created all these stubs for his round birthday, with great varied pics (from stern to caricature) for infoboxes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:58, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Psalm 115

On 26 April 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Psalm 115, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that verse 16 from Psalm 115 was quoted by John McConnell (pictured) as an inspiration to create Earth Day? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Psalm 115. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Psalm 115), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

"The only real nation is humanity"

This is so true. If we all just adopted this principle and treated each other with just a touch more kindness and understanding the world would be just a little more sunshine and a little less clouds. And even when the storms came to disrupt our flow through life, the kindness of the songs we interact with in human form and touch our hearts every day would be the colours in our rainbows after the storms pass. I commend you, Gerda, for being one of those songs. My words of encouragement and reflection: You are you. You are Gerda, so just be Gerda. The wonderful soul and colourful song that you are. Uniquely gifted to fit in the niche of life you were so aptly designed to fill. You don't have to do another thing to be the amazing citizen of humanity that others and I see you as. If you never edited again you would still be a beautiful (barn..lol) star. If you never gave another anniversary stone you would still be a precious jewel. Nothing could ever diminish the bright light that is you and everything you have done and continue to do from the moment the colours of life touched those eyes just adds to the brilliance that is Gerda. --ARoseWolf 15:18, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

blushing redder than ever, but before more answer: fresh air --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:21, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

rosewolf, hike was good, food also, back to you: you touched a soft spot. "The only real nation is humanity" is a quote, - I quote Br'er Rabbit who quoted from The Lord of the Flies. He was No. 2 founding member of the cabal of the outcast. I miss him since October 2012, and every precious, and reminder, and flower greeting, is a little tribute. Much of what you praise is only a reflection of the light of others, see? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:45, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

We are influenced by other songs, there is no doubt of that. My song is directly impacted by my father's mother because she took the time to comfort and care for a scared and lost little girl that had given up on life. She taught me that I am a rainbow. That's the personification of humankind and really all life. You do carry parts of their song with you and it has become part of you but it is still you, distinct, individual colours and patterns that are yours. Influenced by others and life experiences but they belong to you. The fact you sharing them just means they are now part of us and we carry a little of your song and, by extension, their songs in us, and now we can pass them on. It's how the strings of our life bind us to each other, them to you, you to us, us to others and so on. --ARoseWolf 19:58, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Jade Bird

Gerda, I was wondering if you could do me a favor. The article on Jade Bird was given GA status today and I love her as a musician. I was wondering if we could get a DYK nomination together from what was written. It may not be possible but I thought I would turn to about the only person I could think of that would know and be able to assist us with the process if that's something you do, idk. (tagging Spiderone here as well for their input and so they can follow along as they are the main contributor to getting the article to GA status). Thank you for any assistance you may be able to provide. --ARoseWolf 19:48, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

I took a brief look. What do you think of DYK ... that the music of Jade Bird (pictured) was called a "young Londoner's spin on modern Americana" by Rolling Stone? - or something more specific? We have a week to come up with a nomination, and I can do the first for you, while you watch and do it next time. - Amen to the above, - I connected the threads for easier combination. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

See, this is why I came to you. I thought about that exact line in the article for something like this. It has everything that personifies Jade. She's from London, her music has that Americana folksy feel, even some bordering the jazzy grunge and you have Rolling Stone magazine saying it. I love it but I'd like to hear what Spiderone thinks about it. --ARoseWolf 20:12, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

I completely agree. It summarises Jade perfectly! Spiderone 20:53, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

RoseWolf, User:Spiderone: keep an eye on Template:Did you know nominations/Jade Bird, - if you click on "What links here" you can see it travel through the process. When closed watch WP:DYKQ. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I am definitely watching the process. Thank you, Gerda. :-) --ARoseWolf 16:26, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much. :) Spiderone 18:56, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Reviewed and approved already! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:19, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you (Ched)

I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for weighing in on the "Warning and Welcome" thread. Normally I wouldn't have troubled you, but it is a topic I know you feel strongly about. I also will quickly "welcome" a user if I see they don't have many edits, (provided they haven't shown themselves to be problematic). I think welcoming new users should be a priority, and I truly appreciate and admire all your efforts in that area. I've been sort of overseeing a new editor in the NASCAR area, and trying to help them along the right path. Example: If you look at Nascar9919's talk page, I think you'll see I haven't turned into some sort of unfeeling tough-guy that's just out to sanction people or get them into trouble. Anyway, thank you for your input on that page. Best always, — Ched (talk) 20:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Ched. Look above, - I just fondly remembered the beginnings of "our" cabal. Please meet my friend (and recent member) with Italian and Alaska influences, and all connected with all. I have to expand an article, - please talk to each other and excuse me until done. (Sorry, no time to look at the other right now.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:16, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

I believe Gerda just introduced us, Ched. It is a great pleasure to meet you. Welcoming new members properly is essential to the encyclopedia and I also admire Gerda for this. I, likewise, commend you for taking a new editor under your "wing" and teaching them. --ARoseWolf 20:47, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Tsistunagiska, Hello A Rose Wolf, nice to meet you as well. Always nice to meet another Native American, wolf lover, and husky owner/lover. Welcome to the project. Don't hesitate to ping me if needed, although my skill set is limited. Hope you have a great day and rest of the week. Best, Ched — Ched (talk) 21:12, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

— Ched and any other admin, please watch Ashleyyoursmile, I get pings that smell like vandalism. No welcome ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:07, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda Arendt. It's LTA Evlekis. They are back with their signature harassment and personal attacks. Ashleyyoursmile! 10:10, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Ched, I usually only wiki in the mornings. We basically have 24 hour daylight now so its easier to choose when I sleep and I don't sleep well anyway. We own 38 Huskies and about 16 Malamutes. I was adopted by wolves. I'm watching your page too, Ashleyyoursmile, if you don't mind. --ARoseWolf 13:14, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Now THAT is a lot of pooches to feed. Even my mom never had quite that many when she had her own Collie kennel many years ago. Back in the old chat-room days (Excite IIRC) I went by the handle of "Lone Wolf", and have often used that nickname for many venues. I've owned several Huskies and 1 Malamute what the heck was her name? over the years. Well, anyway - having worked a midnight to 8 shift for years, I can understand the challenges that come with the sunlight, but I've never been to Alaska (although I would loved to have been able to go back when I could). — Ched (talk) 18:14, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Ched, They are sled dogs and I could name them all but we would need a book as some have local Athabascan names and I'd probably need to get the transliteration for them in order to spell them. My lead dog is Little Jack. My team, minus one Husky that passed last year :-( , is the same team that was with Jack (been a sled dog trainer for 20 years and a guide in Alaska for longer and now our personal dog trainer and a sled team operator) and I when we were caught in a snow storm north of Fairbanks in March of 2018. I was suffering from a serious concussion (I hit my head on the brush bow when the u-bolt snapped and the sled flipped and Jack had broken ribs from hitting the handle bar and footboard. All we could do was pack the snow in around us and huddle inside the canvas covered sled wrapping ourselves in blankets. The dogs came back to our location because the dogs are trained to retrace their steps even in the worst conditions. We made it out alive because of the combined survival training of the the dogs and us. --ARoseWolf 18:57, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Tsistunagiska, Wow - that's a story that will live for a long time. Concussions can be very dangerous, so I'm glad you had the wherewithal to protect yourselves for the night. That had to be a very tense time. I'm glad everyone made it out in one piece. — Ched (talk) 19:40, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Ched, we never would have made the night. It was probably -60°f with the wind chill factor. Winds were about 45mph. It was probably only about half an hour to an hour but that's plenty of time to contemplate your death and review your life. In that time the snow had piled up over the sled and Little Jack dug in the snow a little to get to us. I had a pretty bad cut on my forehead and the cold kept it from bleeding worse so that was pretty good but I suffered from migraines for almost two years after that. The last migraine I had was early in 2020. I don't remember much after that as I was in and out of consciousness. I just remember waking up in a hotel bed in Fairbanks. Jack says he took me to the hospital and they checked me over but released me. We've pretty much healed externally but I've never really recovered from that and how can you? It's forever a part of me. --ARoseWolf 20:11, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Tsistunagiska, - Yep, I can see how something like that would stick with you - very scary time IMO. I could easily imagine a nightmare creeping in, and maybe for years to come. Glad you had Jack and little Jack around. — Ched (talk) 20:24, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

agree - talking of Jack, for a circle --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Ched Oh, I'd need to tell you the whole story for you to get the full experience but we can do that another time and place. I am putting together my journals for some future literary work, perhaps the "Memoirs of Asareel: The Alaskan rainbow" (lol). --ARoseWolf 20:35, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

over

Ched, I think the infobox wars are over. Happy day! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Glad to hear that Gerda ... that will make things much more peaceful. Cheers. — Ched (talk) 18:14, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! - RoseWolf, just a short explanation: the infobox wars were first documented in 2005, example pictured from 2012, with two protagonists for the infobox, the before-mentioned Br'er Rabbit and Andy. They were accused of having driven the author off Misplaced Pages by that discussion. (I was on the other side, back then, imagine.) Br'er left us later that year, and I continued his work a bit. A 2013 example was Joseph (opera). It got an infobox today. (In 2013, Ched asked the arbitration committee to solve the disputes. They failed to even look at the problem, and made it bigger by asking us in the end to fight it out on every individual article talk. Short version. Long version here.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I've had limited dealing with the arbitration committee and/or ANI but from what I have seen, admittedly the personal perception of a wiki-noob, they don't seem to be extremely helpful and actually hurt the encyclopedia more than help. True enough, there are disruptive editors who need to be dealt with but more times than not I have seen good editors who held a different perspective be eviscerated and destroyed because of a personal dislike, rather than actual policy. It's why I avoid those situations as much as possible. Nine times out of ten they are a negative to the encyclopedia than a positive. -ARoseWolf 19:51, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Just look at #RexxS or the Ultimate guide to arbitration: Don't. Seriously. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:08, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Agree with that sentiment...Don't. --ARoseWolf 20:16, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

A project that doesn't need an arbitration committee would by great! - Tell me the 10 percent that were not a waste of time, please. One case that made life better for us users, please. - While the arguments about infobox opera (which is the only type of infobox the arbs should have looked at in 2013, because it was new and caused trouble when introduced) may have ceased, we still talk about CITEVAR (another waste of time) and whether the "based_on" parameter may mention a Bible story citing the Bible verse(s), or if it needs a secondary source to say so (another waste of time). I have no time today, but anybody is welcome. Thanks to Michael Bednarek for holding my position (but reverted as I write this). Still the same opera, of course. - In case you have extra time but want to do something productive: a peer review is open for Shoot for the Stars, Aim for the Moon, and another for my song of defiance (yes, not only death and fear, but arbitration also), - both not by me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

I am sure all the members of the committee and most every admin here at Misplaced Pages are legitimately great human beings. But I can not fathom some of the logic behind decisions made. I used to just say that I don't know everything they know but I actually believe I know more than they know, in most cases, details not important as to how but we'll call it an intuition. The fact is that I haven't seen a single case, taken up, that wasn't, itself, disruptive to the encyclopedia and the community. One would think they are in a bit of a catch because no matter how they ruled there would be those in disagreement. True enough, but the decisions themselves seem disruptive and arbitrary, even more so than the process by which the decisions were made. --ARoseWolf 14:44, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Agree. The system is flawed, - the so-called evidence is typically a heap of memories of things that went wrong. I know only one case in detail, so am biased, but it drove me crazy when they wanted to ban my friend Andy (mentioned above) as if that would have helped. One of the arbs cited a diff when voting to ban (and it was the majority vote for that ban) where Andy uncollapsed an infobox that I had inserted in an article I had written. I bet that arb didn't read the diff right, and thought Andy had added that infobox, and never bothered to find out what kind of article that was, and if that was welcome or not. Just voted to ban. Kafkaesque. Otherwise a pleasant person, offering tea when you enter his talk. As you say, great human beings. - Don't get near. In case they call me again, I'll not participate. Do you know what I thought was the ultimate guide (until the more ultimate Don't)? Written by Raymond Arritt, missed much. Look! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:43, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Oh wow, that was close to four years ago. I still lived in Haines and didn't even know what Misplaced Pages was. I'm not even sure I had internet or if it was then it was community internet (lol). I still have the same tablet though it's basically useless now. I wish I had been here to meet some of these incredible people. In regards to the arbs, being a great human being doesn't make you uniquely equipped to deal with the issues that arise. People, good people, have hurt me all my life. Most don't even know how or why they have hurt me. The majority act out of ignorance. They don't really have a solution but a solution must be found or they feel they will lose face. In the name of saving the castle they actually dismantle it stone by stone but because it's a slow process they don't even realize what they have done and most never will. But one day they, or those that follow after them, will remove the stone holding it all together and it WILL collapse upon itself. There may be portions that stand like the ruins of the ancient marvels of antiquity but the real substance and depth of meaning will have long left. The great halls of reason and understanding will have faded from memory. All that is left is the husk, a reminder of potentiality and what might have been. Common ground, collaboration, good faith, sharing of ideas and a genuine caring of others will simply be terms that one uses to make them feel good about life and themselves. But without the desire to fill in every syllable spoken and each letter written with the fullness of ones passion they will simply remain empty promises devoid of all life essence. Hope? I love the quote "Soulwork is not a high road. It is a deep fall into unforgiving darkness that won't let you go until you find the song that sings you home." I am sure that could mean something different depending on who you speak to but I find that encouraging. Life is dirty. Life is messy. You get damaged and cut and hurt and wounded. It seems like darkness is always lurking and ready to take you but there is a song, somewhere, somehow. The soulwork is finding it. There is a rainbow, even in the darkness. There is color, music, life, dreams that can lead you home. Here, in the middle of the madness that is this encyclopedia, I find songs. My hope is to be a song as well. --ARoseWolf 16:59, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

You are a song! - I haven't written my article of the day yet (about a nature reserve where I was today, and where the April flowers were taken last year), and the telephone is ringing a lot, so no focused response right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:28, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

I found a song, User:Geogre, to listen to ;-). I fail to listen to my grandfather sometimes. "When speaking truth use fewer words...there is less to remember." Yes, grandfather, but the words are inside me and if I don't write them down and share them I am going to explode (lol). Enjoy your time with your memories of nature and those April flowers, Gerda :-D. Write it down! --ARoseWolf 19:11, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

I know Geogre because RexxS rescued his images from deletion. Who will do that now? - Some day, I'll write my memories, but today, I just translate from the German Misplaced Pages. I'll find a way to include the flowers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:53, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Look, a start. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to Andy who wasted more time and fixed the Bible reference. - I leave the April pic because Wild garlic is still blooming, seen yesterday, and chamomile not yet. Later today: expanding a park (pictured), thinking of a friend's birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:07, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Looks beautiful. I have a brother in Dresden and one of the brothers that lives here in Alaska with me moved from München and brought his family. I am trying to finish up the few remaining redlinks for protected places in Alaska. Curious, why would Geogre's images get deleted? --ARoseWolf 13:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

The images were self-portraits so not used in articles. As if we had no other problems ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

ps: see User:RexxS#Geogre, and User talk:Geogre, - look for RexxS, how he defended all these proposed deletions, also of other images. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Re

We deal with life and death of SlimVirgin, an editor who was one of the pillars of the project. Particularly the use of templates on her pages.

To take you up on your comment, I just thought the placement was a misfire. It struck me as odd when I opened the page that I had to scroll down an entire screen to see the template, since in the future it'll be important that people looking for help realize they'll need to ask someone else, and the one on her userpage was also badly positioned (which I fixed). Nothing I feel all that strongly about. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:43, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Just saw your comment on my talkpage, we can continue there if needed. Sorry for any confusion. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:45, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

The Blade of the Northern Lights, how are my talk page watchers supposed to know that you speak about placing the "deceased" template on user and talk of SlimVirgin, and where? She left her user page like this. I think the template is out of style in whichever position. When I die, please no template, and no "deceased". - Edit conflict. We can also continue here, perhaps better for when I die ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:57, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Apologies for the confusion. I just happened across them already being there, and repositioned them thinking they were just out of whack instead of not supposed to be there at all. Since I never knew any of this, I'm happy for anyone else to remove them; no objections from me at all. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:07, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

It doesn't matter where they are and it's certainly not worth the discussion. I placed the one on the talk page, couldn't make heads or tails of the markup and placed where it landed after a few tries but it was not the top of the list of things I was concerned about in the moment. If it can go to the top that's probably fine too, but fwiw it does look ok underneath that nice image. That said, zero preferences from the person who did the placing. Thanks to Gerda for hosting the discussion, best here than on that talk page. Victoria (tk) 23:29, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: If I have anything to say about it your wishes will be met. Misplaced Pages is very adamant that our user/talk pages don't belong to us, which is ridiculous by its very notion, and it may be the point at which I leave Misplaced Pages for good or am permanently banned but a person's preference should be honored out of goodwill. I lean heavily towards leaving their user/talk pages as is, myself. Archiving the talk page and adding a new section about them being deceased seems appropriate. That's my personal principles kicking in. --ARoseWolf 14:34, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. What do you think about the precise case below? Light green, intentionally so, and now contrasted with the black and yellow of the template? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:44, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm probably not the one to ask about colors but since you did, colors, from my viewpoint, are living representations of individual states of mind, moods, senses and character traits. Beyond what the typical synesthete would say, because if I purely operated from that view I would never see her page the way you all do anyway, I can say that she organized and colored her page the way she wanted to be representative of herself. Deviation from that would be, in my view, a dishonor and disrespect of the individual. Let me say that I don't believe anyone here is intentionally doing anything to dishonor out of malice. But that's my personal view of the situation. --ARoseWolf 15:13, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

template and page style

Some related observations and thoughts, about user page and user talk page of Slim version, and in general, and {{deceased}}:

• SlimVirgin was conscious of the appearance of her personal pages.
  • She changed the image on her talk page from a sleeping woman (which she showed on top as long as I remember) on 19 March.
  • On 8 April, she added the image of RexxS on top of her user page, archived her talk page and added light-green background to both pages.
• I feel that the template is one of those falling into the category "don't template the regulars". Both pages would be perfectly understood without it, and have been understood by all those mourning. We could just add her pages to the categories the template automatically applies. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:17, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm stunned...I didn't know. When did SV die? —valereee (talk) 20:50, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

We don't know exactly when Sarah died, early May, last edit 18 April. See WP:Deceased Wikipedians/2021#SlimVirgin. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

I gave her Impact - too late. Mentioning her statement in the arb case request in a link. Arbs should listen to women more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Such an amazing person. I cant agree with that last statement anymore than I already do. This whole encyclopedia needs to listen to women more. --ARoseWolf 15:33, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I completely agree! Bishonen, Littleolive oil, Montanabw, Atsme, Sarah, and I, later also valereee - we all said the same, actually the most experienced arb, Newyorkbrad, also said so, but these men - only men right now afaik - ignored us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:45, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I honestly believe it stems from a familiarity with our own points of view. I have said, for a long time, that we all have a conflict of interest in every subject that we have ever had the smallest participation in. Conflict does not mean the opposition is my physical enemy. Conflict means opposing viewpoints are antagonist to my own. We all have interests and those become the subject of the conflict. So anyone with opposing or differing views, from all sides of a particular topic or subject, has a conflict of interest. That's part of being human. Passion for our interests, a very real state of being, is what drives our conflicts. I don't care if you are an arbitrator for wikipedia or a judge sitting on a bench deciding criminal and civil cases, you have a conflict of interest and I know most strive to separate their personal viewpoints from decisions made but that is an impossible task. It will never happen. It is impossible to have a completely neutral outcome from arbitration. It is impossible to have a truly fair or equitable result. It doesn't take a genius to review the notice board or arbitrary cases to see this is factual when it involves the review of human beings and their actions. --ARoseWolf 16:46, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Tbh, RexxS did the exact thing he felt was the best option for him, he walked away. When confronted with the understanding that the system is skewed by its very nature because it is a human made system, and there was no way in hell he was going to get a fair shake, he reviewed his two options, stay and fight and subject himself to a grueling, bitter and stressful inquisition which would have resulted in the same outcome (I don't care what anyone else says, that case was decided before the evidence was provided because nothing provided was enough to alter its course much one way or the other) or walk away with even a sliver of dignity and respect, even if only within his own mind. The character assassination ensued about as I expected it would, of course, with the occasional nod towards a feigned respect of RexxS's contributions throughout the years, if for no other reason than to make the individual saying it feel better about the massacre of a human beings dignity they were engaged in. Sprinkle in a few ignorant and misguided comments about how you don't have to be an admin to still be a major contributor to the encyclopedia which sounded absolutely absurd when contrasted by the veracity by which every minute detail of RexxS's actions here were painstakingly scrutinized to find errors in judgement that are quite common among the species. The result was never in doubt. Even the comments by committee members about how their decision was going to be disagreed with no matter the outcome simply points to their unwillingness to admit the conflict of interest by which they entered the case. Its all to make them feel better and it is a common practice among humanity to do this. No one, from any side has acted outside what was expected from the onset. RexxS weighed his options and I believe he did it with great attention to the consequences, not from arbcom because anyone with enough sense and a willingness to actually see the truth of humanity would draw the same conclusions I have, but the consequences to an encyclopedia that himself and even the allies, opposition and arbcom members genuinely care about. He decided, with the outcome of little doubt, that the best thing he could do for the encyclopedia and himself was to walk away. Arbcom did not win, the opposition did not win, civility did not win, Misplaced Pages did not win, humanity did not win. All accounts lost. That's the result of arbcom when it deals with humanity. That's the result of conflicts of interest when the passion and the love of ones own views outweighs reasoned temperance. --ARoseWolf 17:16, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I said (Hammersoft talk) that the case would not improve kindness, nor a single article. Cassandre again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:44, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Spot on as usual. I tried explaining this with my ex-husband years ago when he felt I should be more upset over him leaving the way he did. My seemingly blasé attitude was not because his actions did not affect me. If he would have known me better then he would have understood that my actions were completely in character for myself. I point inward when tragic events occur. The normally talkative and bubbly personality turns to quiet reflection. Most likely I would withdraw like RexxS did rather than engage in defense of myself. If I am still talking then I haven't reached that point. --ARoseWolf 18:05, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I was quite bubbly in "our" case, but then understood the perfect guide, nutshell: "Arbitrators usually work from broad impressions and do not consider details, nuance, or context." and finally "You're completely on your own in interpreting any nuances or inconsistencies in the announced decision. While it is possible to file a request for clarification my experience is that the Arbitrators would rather gnaw their own limbs off than provide meaningful guidance to the implications of their decisions." - So, if another case came along, I'd just not participate. Waste of time. Did you read the fascinating bio of Raimund Hoghe? That's what we are here for. He who wrote the guide was also a Raymond in real life. We wanted him for arb. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I did read the bio. His life was quite intriguing to me. I often wonder if he knew just how impactful he was. I think most people are like that. We are our own biggest critics. You put me on to so many intriguing life songs. Now I need to go read about Raymond. I read everything. It fascinates me. I take my time. I digest all words and roll them around inside me hoping to fully understand the complexity of the individual(s) that constructed them. Sometimes this takes longer than other times. When I was first introduced to RexxS, by you, I spent the better part of a day or two just pouring over his talk page and user page, then I branched out to the case. I have spent a lot of time looking at it, just allowing the depth of me to consume each word to determine the motive and feeling behind it. EVERY word/action has its base foundation in feeling and a state of being. The colors help me but its still my human personality that determines how I see it to a degree. I can own that it is initially tainted by the lens of my own system of colors and sounds. But then I take time to filter it through my understanding of humanity from the experience of life, just life. The results are as neutral and objective a conclusion that I can possibly determine. --ARoseWolf 19:03, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Raymond Arritt - I miss him every day, although we chatted only once a year, for Precious anniversary. I had no idea what he did for the environment, until he died. - He is quoted in my edit notice, note to self. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:09, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I will pick up with Raymond later but he seems to be another song that I would have liked the personal interaction with. --ARoseWolf 20:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

As a bloke (albeit not a particularly stereotypical one) I can empathise with the view that "This whole encyclopedia needs to listen to women more." In fact, I'd go a bit further, and say that this whole encyclopedia needs to listen to the widest and most diverse set of people that it possibly can. It will ultimately make the encyclopedia better. Ritchie333 16:03, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Good point, and no contradiction: I don't mean don't listen to men, and see, the three in my edit notice are all men. For Alazi, I didn't know for a while - because of the image on the user page of a naked woman looking at herself in a mirror, but of course a man's view, and because of saying that man/woman is way to simple - and I actually liked not to know and both possible, and both good - but on one occasion he said something like "of course I'm a man or I could take this shit better". How I miss him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:04, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Life here in wild Alaska doesn't care if you are a man or woman. That's one of the reasons I love it so much. There is one law...survive. You know where you stand and you better mind your step. My sister-in-law and I were driven off the trail by a pack of wolves while we were out on a ptarmigan hunt once. I cared not that we were saved by men. I love the diversity of the sources of knowledge here. I agree that we should listen more to them all. --ARoseWolf 17:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

I finally finished reading Ray's talk page, every archived word of it. I am absolutely convinced he was one of the coolest guys to ever live. How can I miss him even though I never exchanged words with him? But I do. I have copied the ten points no doubt written by Raymond at some point and expressed through his widow. I will incorporate them into my philosophy on life. It's already pretty close to that anyway. --ARoseWolf 18:01, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

I do like his support for Clinton as President. See also my remarks at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 February 25#Misplaced Pages:Dramaboard. Ritchie333 19:53, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Oh! I wrote that! (WP:Ignore all dramas). I'd completely forgotten. -- Yes, I miss Raymond. We had hilarious conversations, including by email. I regret not getting to meet him in "real life". Antandrus (talk) 20:05, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

@Antandrus and Ritchie333: The amazingly beautiful jewel that is Gerda has put me on the trail of quite a few amazing life songs as of late. I miss them though I never got the opportunity to interact with them but I do have their words and their colors find a way through to me. Each of you were impacted by them and an impact always leaves something behind so part of them is part of you. In that way I do get to meet them through each of you. On top of that I get to listen to your unique songs while improving this project which is pretty incredible for me. --ARoseWolf 20:23, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Tsistunagiska, However, WP:Ignore all dramas also says, as a welcome footnote, "We're still an encyclopedia, and we still need your help." I'm never going to run out of articles to improve, and having taken 150 articles to good article status, the next goal will be to take that total to 200. Ritchie333 20:40, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Absolutely, Ritchie, yes. And Tsistunagiska, in one of those haunting synchronicities in life, I delivered almost exactly your thought, in some of your words, when I gave the eulogy at a memorial service not long ago. We often underestimate the impact we leave on others, sometimes by a lot. You put it really well. Antandrus (talk) 22:01, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

impact - thank you! - (May I introduce Dreadstar to you, RoseWolf? ... who helped me to 'ignore, ignore, ignore" in 2012) --- I need help with translation. Wo Menschen sich vergessen, that phrase, and the the refrain "Da berühren sich Himmel und Erde, dass Frieden werde unter uns". There heaven and earth touch each other so that peace may come (become? grow? be? develop?) among us. - "werden" is hard in English. "Es werde Licht" (from Genesis). - "Menschen" is hard. "sich berühren" is hard. "Himmel" is hard. - And all too long for DYK. I'll probably just say that it was the openening of the streamed service for the ecumenical open air service opening the Kirchentag in Frankurt, planned as a giant meeting in an arena, now instead on a parkdeck with four singers, with the skyline somewhat as pictured above. You saw the skyscrapers right and the Paulskirche left, under a blue sky (Himmel) on Ascension Day (Himmelfahrt). Wo Menschen sich vergessen, where people let go of their ego peace may come. Antandrus, you said that recently, - back to impact ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:32, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ritchie333, Antandrus, and Gerda Arendt: my grandfather loved the phrase Finché c'è vita, c'è speranza - While there is life, there is hope. He slipped me a piece of folded up paper about a week before he passed and told me to hold on to it, that I would know when the right time to read it was. Every time I went to unfold that paper something stopped me. It kind of slipped from memory in the weeks, months and even years that followed. My grandmother didn't handle losing him well. She became more and more sick and the dementia started taking over her life. To add to it, my uncle and aunt (adopted parents) died in a car accident almost a year after he passed. We both didn't handle that well. Her health continued to deteriorate at a rapid pace to the point where she required 24 hour care so I pretty much moved in with her, probably what ended my marriage. One day, she was quite lucid, she called out to grandfather and I don't know if it was the way she said his name or not but I instantly remembered that letter. I ran home and found it and brought it back to my grandmother and as I sat beside her I opened it. At the very top in his handwriting, Finché c'è vita, c'è speranza. He wrote about his life, losing his parents in WW2 and finding my grandmother in Italy and so many memories . Some things I had heard before, somethings I hadn't. He was never one to share many feelings but he poured them into this little letter. He told me what that phrase meant to him. Paraphrasing: "Life doesn't end with death so long as we continue to live inside those that we have impacted." There is always hope so long as the life essence of the earth remains. We are but a string, a note, a melody. One instrumental in a vast ocean that is a symphony of great voices. Our song is unique and important but together with other songs it is the continuation of life and thereby hope remains. --ARoseWolf 13:18, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

That's beautiful. Thank you. Antandrus (talk) 14:37, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

... yes, and just what I need - singing my song of defiance of death and fear (see top). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:55, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Your story makes an important point - behind each Misplaced Pages editor is a real person with a background and story to tell. I've had ups and downs in my life too, I just don't feel like expressing them publicly on-wiki. So thank you for wanting to be open about yours. Ritchie333 18:30, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

A personal reflection: When you bathe in a stream in the middle of nature and live in a house with very few doors then you quickly learn that your life experiences are not really just your own. Our journey is meant to be shared. Our story is meant to be told. Our song wants to be heard. Who am I to deny it? --ARoseWolf 18:38, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

You listen to my song, wonderfully! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:00, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Sometimes it takes me a little while but I do hear most Songs that I come into contact with. Everyone thinks "conflict" is an evil. I don't view it that way. Conflicts that turn toxic can hurt us and that's why we need filters. We all spin at different speeds. Sometimes we collide causing damage to each other. Other times we find the right Song that helps us repair damage to ourselves. Still other times there is damage that can't be repaired, like a deep scratch on one of those old vinyl records we love so much. It sounds like skips and bumps. Momentary pauses in the Song that is our life adventure. We keep moving though. Keep growing. Keep experiencing. Why? Because life is worth it. The journey has value. I will say that if going through everything in my life lead me to edit and improve this encyclopedia just to meet some of you and share in the beauty that is your Song's then it was absolutely worth it. Dreadstar was an interesting one, different, but equally magnetic. I am very glad they found depositories in which to pour themselves into while they were here. It left an impression on so many. --ARoseWolf 13:43, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

yes, thank you! Dreadstar was an actor, with an IMDb entry, DYK? And such a good friend. He stayed in email contact after he left WP, being desysopped for bad reasons (sounds familiar?) The last email was Christmassy, saying how much he cherished the friendship. The news of his death was a shock, not only for me, as you can see on his talk, which we restored against his will. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

I could tell there was a bit of acting in his approach, particularly early in his talk page. I am not surprised he was desysopped, one of the reasons I always pause before endorsing my support of a candidate for admin. I want to say, "Whatever you believe in, pray to them cause you are going to need it". However, I think most will do well, just stay uncontroversial, something I find hard to do (lol). I noticed his talk page was restored against his will. In this case I feel it is justified. So many can learn the perfectly flawed magnificence that is Dreadstar on Misplaced Pages if they will simply listen. --ARoseWolf 15:49, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

He was a rather uncontroversial admin until he protected a featured article for a week because of an edit-war about the hidden notice (!) to prevent an infobox. He was called to task for having protected (no more) while involved. Kafka, all the time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree. Seems like such a frivolous and trivial thing to be attacked over. I have read some of the ferocity from all sides in the infobox wars. Not picking a side and rehashing the issues of the past but to lose so many good editors over this, beyond the affect being dressed down and desysopped has on individuals, deserved or not, is simply mind-boggling. --ARoseWolf 16:41, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, people can get very dug in over inconsequential things. I think that once one's ego becomes over-involved, the inconsequential can seem more consequential than it actually is. The world's wisdom traditions all recognize, among other things, that where one's ego is involved, one suffers. Personally I am trying to back away from such conflicts, and there are many such (not only on "infoboxes"). Spending time in nature gives one valuable perspective, I believe. I think I will go outside today. :) Antandrus (talk) 16:53, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Antandrus, I edit while being outside a lot right now for that express purpose. It looks like rain later today. Dark clouds overhead. I will always recommend walking away from enflamed situations here. That is sage advice for us all, self included. I have let myself become over-involved in situations and generally there was an irrational response. Once I was able to reset I could see that and make adjustments. --ARoseWolf 17:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

The problem with the "infobox wars" is that several of the major players on the "anti-infobox" side are people I would consider friends. If consensus is now that articles should have an infobox in order to be considered properly developed, I can get behind that as long as it closes the debate. As for getting "dug in over inconsequential things", I think the other thing to realise is we all have different views on what is important, and all it takes to have a blazing row is to have two editors with strong but diametrically-opposed views that nobody else cares about. I think my current bete noire that I get annoyed about (but no more than that) is people putting frivolous tags on articles (something I know Antandrus has commented on in the past), which makes me wish back to simpler times when WP:SOFIXIT was widely practiced. That said, it does happen if you look closely; when Smirkybec got stuck into improving O'Connell Street with me and actively helped out at the GA review, I thought "hallelujah, collaborative editing's not dead yet!" Ritchie333 10:00, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Today, I came across Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Underwater diving in popular culture, which looks heading for a "delete" close. Who's a good editor who can help rescue diving articles? Ah, RexxS. *sigh* Ritchie333 13:50, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

(quick stop here, feast days and company:) The infobox wars are dead. GFHandel made an edit today, after 9 years!!! Turn to articles. Celebrate with friends. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:43, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Ritchie333 thank you so much for tagging me in, reading the whole conversation I feel amongst friends here :) I miss Rexx too (I'm lucky enough to see him IRL from time to time, always a joy to chat with). Here's to more editing with friends! Smirkybec (talk) 19:44, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Welcome, Rebecca. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Late Renaissance polyphony

Do you like this? Attribution uncertain, but this article makes a very good case. Narky Blert (talk) 18:05, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

I'll listen later, thank you for sharing! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:42, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

this is for trance, Narky Blert --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:07, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Wow, how wonderful!!! DBaK (talk) 08:16, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

DYK for The Gamblers (Shostakovich)

On 13 May 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Gamblers (Shostakovich), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in The Gamblers, Shostakovich tried to set Gogol's play word for word but gave up after one act, and Krzysztof Meyer completed the opera decades later? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Gamblers (Shostakovich). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, The Gamblers (Shostakovich)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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DYK for Kammermusik (Hindemith)

On 19 May 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Kammermusik (Hindemith), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status: "... that Kammermusik by Paul Hindemith comprises eight chamber-music compositions, including a wind quintet and six solo concertos for various instruments?" The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Kammermusik (Hindemith). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Kammermusik (Hindemith)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Languages

I've just about reached a stage in German where I'm not intimidated by the language any longer. Still a massive amount to learn and be able to speak but I can at least say some basic sentences and remember some words from the top of my head: like Verantwortung, Beziehung, Zuschauen, Einführung, Haltung, Beschränkungen, Rettung, Vorsitzende, eingeführt, Geheimdienst, Verwaltung, syrianisch, Islamismus etc. The key is definitely reading. Pasting a German wiki article into google translate and playing it in German slowly is the best way to learn! I'll just keep reading German Misplaced Pages a few times a week. Obviously if I wasn't learning all the other languages too I'd make quicker progress but I find it keeps me motivated alternating between them all. † Encyclopædius 11:57, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Ich schriebe ohne Hilfe von Google/Deep L. Ich kann mehrere Dingen auf Deutsch sagen. Diese ist eine gute Chance für meine Deutsch zu verbessen. Bin ich genau oder viele Fehler gemacht hat? In diese Moment, die Wetter ist ziemlich kalt in Gales, especiell für die Monate auf Mai. Viele Fehler, ich bin sicher, ich möchte der Genauigheit in meine schrieben, aber es ist ganz wichtig zu üben! Kannst du mich verstehen? Ich hoffe diese ist nicht peinlich! † Encyclopædius 12:15, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Ich kann mehrere Dinge auf Deutsch sagen. Dies ist eine gute Chance, mein Deutsch zu verbessern. Bin ich genau oder habe ich viele Fehler gemacht? Zur Zeit ist das Wetter in Gales ziemlich kalt, vor allem für Mai. ... Ich möchte genau schreiben, ... (all replaced by dots was perfect!) --GA

Here was what I was trying to say :-): "I'm writing without help from Google/Deep L. I can say several things in German. This is a good opportunity to improve my German. Am I accurate or have I made many mistakes? At the moment, the weather in Wales is pretty cold, especially for the month of May. Many mistakes, I'm certain, I want accuracy in my writing, but it is very important to practice. Can you understand me? I hope this isn't embarrassing! " † Encyclopædius 12:19, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Here is the Deep L version, so many errors LOL but you could understand what I was saying right? † Encyclopædius 12:28, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Ich schreibe ohne Hilfe von Google/Deep L. Ich kann einige Dinge auf Deutsch sagen. Das ist eine gute Gelegenheit, mein Deutsch zu verbessern. Bin ich genau oder habe ich viele Fehler gemacht? Im Moment ist das Wetter in Wales ziemlich kalt, besonders für den Monat Mai. Viele Fehler, da bin ich mir sicher. Ich möchte genau schreiben, aber es ist sehr wichtig, zu üben. Können Sie mich verstehen? Ich hoffe, das ist nicht peinlich!

Ipigott Wie geht es ihnen? Deutsch ist stark zu lernen! Wie ist Frauen in Rot? † Encyclopædius 12:25, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

• Danke, Encyclopædius, mir geht es wirklich gut - wie immer. Man muss einfach optimistish bleiben. Ich kummere mich zur Ziet um schwedische Frauen. Seit dem 1. Mai habe ich schon 32 neue Biographien erstellt. Schade dass Du nicht mehr bereit bist Artikeln zu schreiben. Oder hast Du jetzt vielleicht Lust Artikeln auf Deutsch zu schreiben? Dann könnten wir wirklich sehen, wie weit Du mit der Sprache gekommen bist.--Ipigott (talk) 13:54, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

I reply within the above, hope that's fine, - better for comparison. I understood everything (!) in the German para, just that a native speaker would phrase some differently, - überhaupt nicht peinlich. (I can explain differences if you like, but will have rather little time until Tuesday, - Pentecost for two days in Germany.) - Eine gute Aufgabe. Eine Freundin wird heute operiert, - Ablenkung tut mir gut. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:39, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Thankyou both. Just listening to this Gerda Palestrina "Missa Papae Marcelli". The goal is to get my Spanish, French, Italian and German to a reasonably fluent level in reading, writing and speaking. To speak five languages farily fluently would be a great achievement. Portuguese and Dutch and others can come later. I think I deserve a long break from editing though Ipigott! You've earned it too, amazing work! It's really worth the time I'm putting in with the languages at the moment, I really need to work on my word lists on here. I will try to expand a few articles over the summer, maybe some existing locality articles and some new biographies from France, Spain, Germany and Italy, but right now I'm mainly concentrating on getting my German and Italian reading level up to my French level. I still have a long, long way to go with German reading, it seems more than twice as big as some of the other languages for some reason, maybe it's all the compound words! Wish your friend the best of luck Gerda! † Encyclopædius 14:31, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Ah Wales is Wales in German, I was thinking "Gales", confusing it with Spanish LOL! † Encyclopædius 14:47, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, all well received. In German, we tend to leave place names pretty much as they are. - Rom for Roma, Lissabon for Lisboa. - You learn German and will No. 1 DYK within a few months, - boring with no competition ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:52, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

I once sang the Palestrina Missa Papae Marcelli, together with Bruckner's Second Mass, the one with brass and winds only, for an open air event? If you like that, don miss the link a bit above, look for Renaissance (composer unknown, probably a woman). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:20, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

My gift to you ...

from my overnight playlist: for you. — Ched (talk) 17:45, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

thank you so much --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:27, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Die güldne Sonne voll Freud und Wonne

The article Die güldne Sonne voll Freud und Wonne you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Die güldne Sonne voll Freud und Wonne for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Amitchell125 -- Amitchell125 (talk) 18:22, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Amitchell125, perfect timing! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:49, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

DYK for O komm, du Geist der Wahrheit

On 23 May 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article O komm, du Geist der Wahrheit, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that "O komm, du Geist der Wahrheit" is an 1833 German-language hymn for Pentecost in which the "Spirit of Truth" is called to come and restore the attitude of early Christianity? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/O komm, du Geist der Wahrheit. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, O komm, du Geist der Wahrheit), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Happy Pentecost! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:14, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Thanks to your collaborative spirit, I managed to discover Less Unless, who has just become our latest administrator. Sometimes looking through a user's contributions can lead to good things! Ritchie333 11:28, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Ritchie. Pleasantly busy on Pentecost weekend with REAL compamy, more later. Thank you all on this page for your wonderful virtual company! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:32, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Fritsch

On 24 May 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Thomas Fritsch, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Thomas Fritsch, a film actor who charmed the teens of the 1960s, was the German voice of Russell Crowe, Scar and Diego, a Smilodon? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Fritsch. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Thomas Fritsch), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:03, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Ice Age Pentecost --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:19, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Lili Marberg

Hi Gerda, I recently created an article for Lili Marberg. I couldn't help myself from turning the red link blue. Unfortunately, I'm going to likely be on Misplaced Pages a lot less this week as I'm going to be away. I was thinking of putting it into draft. If you could help with some sourcing, I'd really appreciate it. Maybe there's enough out there for DYK? I'm not sure. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 06:09, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

draft is good, I'm not here today, and behind with many other things. - We still celebrate Pentecost. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:19, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Peer review for my song of defiance

Please help if you can. Rather soon, I'd like to nominate the song that has helped me to defy death and fear (and arbcom) for FAC, because the anniversary of help to defy death is near. A peer review is open, - please help if you can. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:39, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Marie Desbrosses

On 26 May 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Marie Desbrosses, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Marie Desbrosses made her operatic debut at the Comédie-Italienne in Paris in 1776, and created the role of Marguerite in Boieldieu's La dame blanche there in 1822? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Marie Desbrosses. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Marie Desbrosses), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 12:02, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Karl Schuke

—valereee (talk) 00:02, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

• That blue though!! :-D --ARoseWolf 19:33, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

  Did you see that it's a February article? One thing holding it up was that the images were threatened with deletion, another that it was promoted without the image. But all fine now. It's quite heavenly to be in the box. c:Category:Pipe organ of Kaiser-Wilhelm-Gedächtniskirche, new building--Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:43, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I've been to Germany many times but never to Berlin to see this. Ohhhhh, I want to stand in the same space with these beautiful colours and hear the sounds from this organ. --ARoseWolf 20:12, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

They offer daily services and devotions. Organ music works even in times of pandemic. - Short trip: --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf, today, I keep the blue, to honour a dear person with whom I share wonderful musical experiences although we live on different continents. We once were together for his birthday and I picked as many cornflowers as years, - many, looked great. The musical selection - some our church, some their church - are just the tip of an iceberg. - I want to improve Renaissance Street Singers today, and Chichester Psalms this year, promised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

A plate of Tandoori chicken for you

		A plate of Tandoori chicken for you
		Here is a plate of Tandoori chicken for you. Tandoori chicken is a popular Indian dish consisting of roasted chicken prepared with yogurt and spices. The name comes from the type of cylindrical clay oven, a tandoor, in which the dish is traditionally prepared. Thank you. Titodutta (talk) 04:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC) For more Indian dishes, visit the Kitchen of WikiProject India.

Thank you so much, that looks delicious, and it's the birthday of a friend, - good timing --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Luke Bond (organist)

On 28 May 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Luke Bond (organist), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Luke Bond, the organist for a royal wedding and a royal funeral at Windsor Castle, played Poulenc's Organ Concerto in Cape Town? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Luke Bond (organist). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Luke Bond (organist)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—valereee (talk) 12:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Carla Fracci

On 28 May 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Carla Fracci, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Cups peer review

Hey Gerda. I was just wondering if you could leave some comments for the "Cups (song)" peer review? I've wanted the article to be FA for over six months and have had no success. This song means so much to me as I remember being in middle school and always trying to master the cups rhythm. You know I'm shooting for the stars, aiming for the moon 💫 (talk) 00:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

User:Shoot for the Stars, that one is on my to-do-list for how long? Sorry, will do next, after Carillon (begun, more comments wanted, user's first PR). Still patience, please. Reviewing comes at the end of the day, after fighting deadlines in writing for DYK and ITN, and often - like yesterday - that means no reviewing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Shoot for the Stars: I made some minor changes last night, but feel free to revert if they're not to your liking. I absolutely love the Kendrick video of that song. Will check some of the other versions today. — Ched (talk) 13:12, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Take as long as you need Gerda. I am in no hurry and am going to be quite busy this summer. : @Ched: thank you so much! The song and music video mean so much to me. This is the song I used to try out at my school talent show and got in! You know I'm shooting for the stars, aiming for the moon 💫 (talk) 20:49, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Good! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

May 2021

		The Huge Heart barnstar.
		For all the kindness that you show to your fellow editors, For all the effort you go to in welcoming new users, and For always being there for those less fortunate. Ched would like to offer you this Huge Heart barnstar.

Don't you think it's a bit too huge? - Thank you, Ched. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

May 1455

		Reform, renewal
		"...& alle othir there that willedthe reformacion thereof"

DYK for Philipp Harnoncourt

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

He stood for something useless but meaningful ("nutzlos, aber nicht sinnlos"), and especially meaningful today, on Trinity Sunday. He inspired many to help, and restored a building that was meant to be demolished more than once back to its original message, at an "impossible location". It's rare that a person is pictured when a dream comes true. - If you understand spoken German: there's a lecture by him on YT. The opening, on Trinity Sunday last year, is also available. For a quick glimpse from that opening: - Matching: Shoot for the Stars, Aim for the Moon. Thanks to all involved, making exception after exception! - If you still have time, there's Gott Vater, sei gepriesen for the day, "reconcile what is divided". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:47, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

De-cluttering and DYK noms

Hi Gerda, you have the habit of "de-cluttering" Talk pages by removing the DYK nom. I am not really convinced this is a good idea: on most Talk pages of new articles, the DYK nom is literally the only part where the article is discussed (and so the only point where you can see who might be a good person to ask about the article if you need to). I think that having some discussion visible on Talk pages invites further discussion, and that Talk pages with only WikiProject clutter on them look very lonely. Do you have any good reasons for removing the DYK discussions that I have overlooked? Happy editing, —Kusma (talk) 09:21, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

The link to the discussion comes with the DYK credit, and the few people really interested in these discussions after the article appeared can reach it with one click. Therefore I remove it only when the credit is there. Many of these discussions are not about the article, and users' preferences, and should just be forgotten. The one for Harnoncourt (see in the credit above) was a much-admired exception, thank you Drmies! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:47, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

These discussions can be forgotten once other discussion exists. Removing them does more harm than good. —Kusma (talk) 09:56, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I hope I'll remember for your articles. I do it only for "mine" and those I care about (such as reviewed them). The discussions I mean - which are not about the article - should be forgotten immediately ;) - Did you read the one about the Harnoncourt nom? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:00, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

And I hope you get a lot of hits for that article. Kusma, I didn't even realize until recently that those discussion were on the talk page. I have to say I kind of like, for the reasons you lay out, and I do think that many of them discuss matters that are of importance to readers; sometimes they provide valuable insight into article development, for instance, and when they discuss sourcing, that's very relevant too. I'm a big fan of peer review, and these templates make those peer reviews quite visible. Drmies (talk) 13:45, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

... and you may have noticed that I didn't remove the Harnoncourt review, because it was an article review. The majority, though, don't even touch the article but remain with formalities of DYK and hook phrasing. Thank you for making the exception. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:16, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I'd think it would be of interest as well, even if it was just the technical or formalities of the how and why the article managed to get to the main page in a DYK. Maybe instead of deleting, it would be better to move them to a talk archive if you consider it "clutter"? — Ched (talk) 16:56, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

For years, we had the link to the nomination in the credit, and it's still there, and I am used to finding it there (and assume everybody interested could do the same). Now a bot transfers the link with a title to the article talk as soon as it's nominated. Fine, really fine, as long as it's open, inviting comments whether as reviewer or as someone just interested in the article topic. But once it's closed, it has fulfilled its purpose, imho. I've seen these sometimes long reviews postpone the GA reviews which to transclude is of high value. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:44, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Jade Bird

On 30 May 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jade Bird, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that the music of Jade Bird was called a "young Londoner's spin on modern Americana" by Rolling Stone? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jade Bird. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Jade Bird), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 12:03, 30 May 2021 (UTC)