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I agree that if it were just covered once in the news once and quickly forgotten, then you could argue it was WP:UNDUE to mention. However, the reality is that Theodorakis' comments have been discussed in several books and academic papers about antisemitism, even years or decades after the fact. The following is just what I found in a quick Google Scholar search.
Gur-Ze’ev, Ilan (2010). "The New Anti-Semitism—Toward Educational Challenges". The New Anti-Semitism—Toward Educational Challenges. Brill. ISBN978-94-6091-272-6.
Rosenfeld, Alvin (2017-07-05). "Modern Jewish Intellectual Failure: A Brief History". The Jewish Divide Over Israel. Routledge. ISBN978-1-315-13280-8.
Laqueur, Walter (2006). The Changing Face of Anti-Semitism: From Ancient Times to the Present Day. Oxford University Press. p. 9. ISBN978-0-19-977473-9.
Loizides, Neophytos (2020). "Doves and Hawks: Frames of Peace, Stalemates, and Crises". The Politics of Majority Nationalism. Stanford University Press. ISBN978-0-8047-9633-0.
Droumpouki, Anna Maria (2016). "Shaping Holocaust memory in Greece: memorials and their public history". National Identities. 18 (2): 199–216. doi:10.1080/14608944.2015.1027760.
WP:BLP is not and has never been an excuse to whitewash negative information about the subject that has been extensively covered in reliable sources. When reverting it was claimed that the remarks were "taken out of context". That may be the opinion of some wikipedia editors, but not what WP:RS says. So I suggest the following content is restored:
In 2003, he stated, "Everything that happens today in the world has to do with the Zionists … American Jews are behind the world economic crisis that has hit Greece as well." He has described himself as "anti-Israel and anti-Semite," because "this small nation (Israel) is the root of evil".
Since neither of the two editors who reverted bothered to reply here, I have posted to WP:NPOVN. If that doesn't work, I'll have to start a RfC. (t · c) buidhe05:24, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
It's not so simple. The remarks are clearly taken out of context, and Theodorakis has repeatedly deplored the Holocaust, and apologized for those comments, yet you do not see it fit to include that in the article. Only the cherry-picked comments that seem to conform to a particular POV. Khirurg (talk) 05:40, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
My position to include is based on the many reliable sources that have discussed the comments in question, most of which have labeled them as antisemitic. Your opinion or mine is simply not relevant, unless there are reliable sources that back it up. (t · c) buidhe05:46, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
I don't believe that general-interest sources are particularly good sources on antisemitism, which is why I cited academic publications. Furthermore, if considered reliable, it's an additional source covering the issue so can only bolster the case for inclusion. If Theodorakis later stated that he does not consider himself an anti-Semite, that could be added to the article: "In a later interview, Theodorakis stated that he does not consider himself an anti-Semite". (t · c) buidhe06:00, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
The only criterion for inclusion is whether a source meets WP:RS. Whether you believe it is "general interest" and not "particularly good" is not relevant. Khirurg (talk) 17:22, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
Referencing and citation: criterion not met
Structure: criterion met
