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Release dates

The new episode premieres aren’t the same as here, check the Foxtel TV guide for details. Jedm2311 (talk) 21:59, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Characters

Please put back the other named characters: Lucky, Coco, Snickers, Honey, Mackenzie, Indy, Rusty, Pretzel, Buddy, Winton, Bentley, Missy Jedm2311 (talk) 01:42, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Also missing is Jean-Luc! Jedm2311 (talk) 02:23, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Please read MOS:TVCAST - "follow notability guidelines when creating a cast list: not every fictional character ever created deserves to be listed...". The characters that are being listed with just their name show that they are not notable. They should have a description alongside them that shows their importance to the series, and their voice actor if possible. Some of these characters only appear once and do not classify as "recurring". Please remember that this is an encyclopedic article and not a fan page. The character list shouldn't be too long.SatDis (talk) 23:59, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Then why don’t you just create a separate page for the Bluey characters? Jedm2311 (talk) 01:51, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Notability criterion is going to be a bit tricky with this show. It is because the main characters like Bluey and Bingo (I will provide links when I can find the articles that I've read before) are voiced by production crew's children, and are uncredited at the moment - that said, no dispute here with the characters being notable. Meanwhile, however, Australian celebrities have been casted in minor or cameo roles, like the surfer from the beach is voiced by Myf Warhurst, which probably deserves attention. IngressMaximus (talk) 11:02, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Maybe a section on celebrity cameo?IngressMaximus (talk) 11:09, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

@IngressMaximus: Yes, there has been a section on "notable guest stars" for some time now. However, this section should only include popular Australian celebrities and not production crew who have done the voice work. I would argue that all of the minor characters voiced by production crew's children are not notable and should not be listed.

@Jedm2311: If you would like to create a separate page, you are most welcome to. But a full list of characters is not what the main page should be about. SatDis (talk) 07:31, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@SatDis: The article says that Nana Heeler is the mother of Stripe and Bandit, and the grandchildren of Bluey and Bingo. Except, who is Stripe? I would've put Chilli and Bandit instead of Stripe and Bandit. I watched all of the episodes I had access to (part of season 1) and I didn't hear anything about someone named Stripe. BDK1210 (talk) 16:18 28 April 2020 (Coordinated Universal Time)

@BDK1210: Yes, Nana is the mother of Stripe and Bandit - Bandit is Bluey and Bingo's father, and Stripe is Muffin and Socks's father, and Bandit's younger brother. He is prominent in many Series 1 episodes. Nana is not Chilli's mother; Chilli is married to Bandit. Here is the quote from , "Bandit’s Mum and Bluey & Bingo’s Nana. Retired to the Gold Coast". SatDis (talk) 22:12, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

@SatDis: Ok, I wasn't sure, but yes, thanks for letting me know. BDK1210 (BDK1210's talk page)

The section is entitled "Characters" not "Cast", and therefore should list the main characters, whether or not their voice artist is known. The main characters are at https://www.bluey.tv/characters/ Adpete (talk) 04:16, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Adpete: Yes, you are right, the section is "Characters", and I do agree with adding Jack, Rusty and Indy. However, there are many characters listed on the official website and not all of them are significant or classed as "main characters". The reason why voice actors are helpful is because they often come attached to verifiable references, which is the standard at Misplaced Pages. It is not acceptable for us to simply list every child character in the series without references. If a character is added, they should have a description which shows their importance to the series. This is why the list is limited, and if it were to be extended, it should be done so on a new page entitled "List of Bluey characters". Hope this helps. SatDis (talk) 09:53, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

That main site I gave is in several "pages", and all the characters were on the first page, so I think they are comfortably notable enough to get a mention. My personal opinion is that a couple more "kids" are important enough to be there, without the need for a second page. Adpete (talk) 12:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Adpete: I would say maybe Lucky and Mackenzie or Chloe? SatDis (talk) 12:41, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

The first page at https://www.bluey.tv/characters/ lists (apart from Bluey's family of 4): Muffin, Jack, Rusty, Lucky, Mackenzie, Indie. Adpete (talk) 00:40, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Viewership

75 million plays and counting.

Cementing Bluey as the #1 series ever on ABC iview*

http://about.abc.net.au/media-room/bluey-fetches-a-second-series-as-the-smash-hit-achieves-over-75-million-plays-and-counting/

This has been added to the Reception section. SatDis (talk) 07:33, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

B-Class assessment

This is a B-Class assessment of this article, under the scope of the Animation WikiProject.

Already remarked that everything is suitably referenced. I wondered briefly whether items in the infobox should be directly cited; a lot of it is covered by the linked production website or in the body or the article, which is great, though details like composers outside of Jeff Bosh I couldn't find much information about. This is unboastful information though, so not too concerned.
All important topics are covered, there are no issues here.
The episode guide seems to take up more space than appropriate. I recommend it be collapsed into a series guide.
I don't see any obvious copy-editing issues.
Good amount of supporting material, especially the infobox. What would be fantastic if there was picture of the producer or a voice actor, or a quote box that outlined the themes, production goals, or reception of this show.
Easy to read article, there are no issues here.

In conclusion, just split off the episode guide. All my other comments are just recommendations. Awesome article ^_^ especially for a pre-school cartoon, articles of which are rarely this well written. Definitely deserves praise. Derick1259 (talk) 11:58, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

@Derick1259: Thank you for looking at the article again! The praise is much appreciated; I love creating quality articles for pre-school content! I will look into splitting the episode list; adding some quotes/images and look into the references! Thanks. SatDis (talk) 12:30, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Episode guide has been split; upgrading to B-Class. Derick1259 (talk) 15:53, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

@Derick1259: I just wanted to thank you again for looking at the article. I took your feedback on board and added a photograph and a quote box to the Production section. Just out of curiosity, what would be your general recommendation before looking at a Good Article review? Thanks. SatDis (talk) 10:56, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Really nice additions. The only outstanding comment I have is related to whether there was any other sourceable information about the other composers detailed in the infobox, which could be covered somewhere in the body of the article with a sentence or paragraph discussing the production of the soundtrack/music(?) for this show. That's all really, if you feel confident from there it's your call to make a GA nomination. Derick1259 (talk) 23:14, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

@Derick1259: Thank you once again. I have added a "Music" section and sourced those composers - I'm liking the way the "Production" section is looking now. I will definitely be making a GA nomination again and hope to have your feedback over there. All the best! SatDis (talk) 06:28, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Allied45 (talk · contribs) 11:10, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Lead

Link first mention of Brisbane

Notable guest stars

I feel that all entries in this list should include citations if they are being deemed as "notable"
Myf Warhurst also appears in the recurring list for a different character; this would not make her a "guest star"

Development

Include (ABC) and (BBC) after first mentions of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation and the British Broadcasting Corporation
"and Sam Moor describing it as " life on screen" – and producer Sam Moor describing it as " life on screen
Link South Brisbane

Reception

I would suggest deleting the Ratings table as there is no real value added; the air dates are covered in the Episodes section, and the ratings figures are only for select episodes. Additionally, the average viewers figures are unsourced.

References

The following is not mandatory for GA, and will not affect the passing of this nomination, however I would strongly recommend archiving each citation you have used (you can use the Wayback Machine for this). My personal opinion is that this is best practice to ensure link rot is not an issue in the future (particularly dynamic websites such as JB Hi-Fi etc.)

Overall comments

This is the first time I have completed a GA review and I am really impressed with this article SatDis (it's great to see good quality Australian content!). I only have minor concerns regarding the lack of citations for some portions of the content, that could be perceived as original research. Article is on hold awaiting resolution of these minor points. – Allied45 (talk) 02:23, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Thankyou for the review @Allied45:, I appreciate the feedback. I love working on Australian content. I have addressed all of the issues listed above - for the guest stars, I have removed those names without available citations. In creating the article, I have managed to archive some of the citations, and I will make an effort to ensure all links are saved - thanks for the suggestion. In regards to any further lack of citations, would you be able to point out areas which need to be improved? Thanks again. SatDis (talk) 04:12, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@SatDis:, it was just the notable guest stars and the ratings table I was referring to regards to citations. Since everything I raised is now addressed, I am happy to pass this nomination. Thanks for beginning to archive the citations, I will try and help with this if I get a chance :) – Allied45 (talk) 08:40, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Allied45: Thanks for the review!! SatDis (talk) 09:59, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

what is wrong with saying Bluey is female?

In the character list, an editor keep removing "female" from the description "Bluey Heeler, a six-year-old female Blue Heeler puppy who is curious and energetic." The reason given was this quote from WP:MOSTV "listing the race and sex of the character redundant". However (a) that quote is from the section on the Infobox and does not apply to the article in general; (b) it only applies "for information that is rather obvious to the reader", which is not the case here. I will also add that it is inconsistent with the rest of the character descriptions, in two ways: (a) Bluey herself is already previously described as (i) six year old (ii) a Blue Heeler and (iii) a puppy, and that information is repeated in the character description, so why is it ok to repeat that but not repeat her gender?; and (b) the gender of all other main characters is also implied. It just seems really weird to omit. Adpete (talk) 02:21, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for starting a discussion. I understand your point and appreciate your explanations; many of which are valid. However, my question is why should we note Bluey as a female character in her description, and not any other character? For example, do we list Muffin as a female? Jack as male? Mackenzie as male? You could argue that it is not obvious that Mackenzie is a male as the name could also be a female name. Is the Peppa Pig article forced to say Peppa is a female pig? Does The Simpsons say Bart is male? A similar case is Blue's Clues - it has been thought that Blue is a male, but she is also female - they don't note that in the article. In the "writing" section of the article, I have already included a discussion on the confusion of Bluey's sex. As for the other main characters, their sex is only implied and not directly stated. In the context of Bluey as a show, does her sex ever influence any aspect of the story or her relationships with others? It seems irrelevant. If it is supported by other editors to include "female", then we will add it, but let's wait for further discussion. SatDis (talk) 03:28, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

The character descriptions of Peppa Pig (at List of Peppa Pig characters) and Blue (at Blue's Clues#Characters) both implicitly give their genders from the use of female pronouns, and I would say that Bart Simpson's gender is obvious. It is true that Bluey's gender is discussed elsewhere, but realistically, Misplaced Pages is used for reference and not everyone will read the whole article. I agree it does not "matter" in the context of the plots, but still people wonder, in fact it was the main reason I first went to the article! I agree "female" can read a bit odd and we can do it another way by referring to her as a sister or daughter (like most others in the character list); or probably better, by using a pronoun i.e. by replacing "who" with "she": "a six-year-old Blue Heeler puppy. She is curious and energetic". In fact that more or less mirrors what is done for Peppa Pig: "Peppa's hobbies include jumping in muddy puddles, playing with her teddy bear,..." Adpete (talk) 04:22, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

That actually sounds like a good solution. How about "Bluey, a six-year-old Blue Heeler puppy who is curious and energetic. She enjoys inventing games to play with her friends and family". This extends her description and doubles the female pronouns. SatDis (talk) 11:08, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Ongoing Incident

As some of you may be aware, there is currently a racial incident going on, (more info at |ABC article ), and I was debating whether or not to put this in the article. BDK1210 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:02, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

It is definitely important to talk about. I have edited what was already added by an IP address for conciseness. SatDis (talk) 03:23, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Antiquity-smuggling racket pays for house

A popular theory on how the heeler family can afford their inner-city house on a hill is that Bandit - how appropriate! - the archaeologist smuggles antiquities out of the country with the help of Chilli, who works in airport security. Zach Mander points out that a Paddington Queenslander with a view of the central city starts at $1 000 000 and that a bank is not going to approve a sizeable mortgage to an academic and a part-time worker. While this is not canon, the theory has gained considerable traction.

In a follow-up, Zach notes that despite international coverage, the show's production team have not commented, the couple's tax records have not been released, and possibly they are working on a spin-off show called Breaking Bluey

How best to cover this in the article? As yet the alleged criminals have evaded the keen eye of Queensland justice. Is there some BLCP policy we can use for guidance? Does the conspiracy extend to payoffs to officials? --Pete (talk) 23:05, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

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