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A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	Thanks for posting this, which made me smile today. I agree: solving global problems is going to require at least three tables! WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:33, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Bret Weinstein

"fears" is used as it is taken from a quote by David Gorski who is considered RS in the matter. There is/was a "discussion", if you could call it that, on talk:Bret Weinstein#Misinformation, disinformation and Bret Weinstein, talk:Bret Weinstein#Protected edit request on 4 July 2021. Related in other sections and on wp:DRN#Bret Weinstein. That phrase and quotes have been changed numerous times. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 17:42, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Adakiko, thanks! I did see the closed discussion you linked first, and the second closed discussion below, and the DRN post. I hadn't seen the edit request, although your link takes me to an identically named section a little higher; I think I can tell which one you're talking about.I do understand that "fears" is a direct quote, but I hope you can see that readers are unlikely to know that and are very likely to perceive the word being scare-quoted. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 17:48, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for trying, Firefangledfeathers, but it is likely futile. I have yet to hear even an acknowledgement that such a reading of the "fears" is possible. Much less any arguments against a change that really only reflects the source quote more accurately. Dylath Leen (talk) 18:48, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Dylath Leen, to be fair, your point about scare-quotes has always been bundled with other, bigger suggested changes. Ditto for the IP's edit request. It's doesn't boggle the mind that there hasn't been substantive discussion of the issue. That said, WP:QUOTEPOV addresses this situation pretty specifically. I feel motivated to bring it up again in a while, after the RfC concludes, but we'll see. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 18:59, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

I am stunned that basically this exact situation is described in WP:QUOTEPOV as unacceptable. I was just going by instinct on that one. Perhaps I should have split the followup into two separate discussions, but I feel like both of them would be closed just the same. Dylath Leen (talk) 19:06, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Adakiko, the "fears" quote does not come from Gorski, it is from the Vice article. In full it reads “because we have fears, as we have discussed at length on this podcast,”. The status of Vice as RS is not as clear cut. Dylath Leen (talk) 18:51, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Really, the quote is directly from Weinstein's video, as quoted by Vice. We're using the Vice source to verify the existence of and basic description of the video. Not too controversial. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 18:59, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Understood, I am not really worried about that particular quote coming, by proxy, from Vice, but there is a discussion about Vice as RS in general. Dylath Leen (talk) 19:06, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Comment section

Hi there, thank you for your comment on my talk page. On that article I had previously explained my edits in the box, however the user who undid them has a habit of ignoring comments from other editors (I have noticed he has done this to myself before and other editors and has been quite rude and aggressive in the talk sections). While I don't wish to engage in warring, I also found it tiring having to re-explain the edits only for them to be ignored by the other user gatekeeping the articles. However, I'll add them again for explanation to other users if I do reapply the edits. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MWD115 (talk • contribs) 04:32, 21 July 2021 (UTC)‎

Ok! I think uses of the "undo" button make edit summaries particularly crucial. Instead of re-explaining, you might explain once at the talk page and then link the talk page section in your edit summary. I don't share your view on that editors behavior (though I haven't reviewed the whole history of that page), but here's not really the place to discuss that anyway. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 04:37, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up on Nicholas TP

Thanks for the heads up on Talk:Nicholas Wade. I was so interested in the intersection of journalism and scientific research that I never read the talk page dates (I worked for a TV network news organization—pre 2000). The difficulty with this article flows, I think, from the political uses of his 2014 book. No matter how carefully a writer researches and expresses his synthesis, once published, the work is in play. The content and how it is being used belongs in A Troublesome Inheritance. At this point, a single paragraph in the bio is sufficient. Few books become a political bludgeon—this one has. There is no reason for political views within the Misplaced Pages editing community to play out in the bio.

I think I shall leave my comment, not because it is particularly useful, but because the whole section is a good introduction to the RFC. There will be enough TP activity to move the section and RFC right along. — Neonorange (talk to Phil) (he, him) 04:47, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Neonorange, by all means, leave it. I reverted my own comment to avoid clutter. For your or any future-readers reference, this diff shows my comment and the self-reversion. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 04:51, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, again. Interesting times we live in, huh? — Neonorange (talk to Phil) (he, him) 05:10, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Techno Cal

You mean there isn't a Manual of Style section on techno-loving dudes named Cal? ;-) --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 21:45, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

I was thinking about places that are just baaaarely in Northern California... Firefangledfeathers (talk) 22:01, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Nicholas Wade

I've manually archived the offending thread and adjusted the archiving parameters to hopefully prevent such dead horse beating in the future. If there is a wish to start yet another RfC (to what avail?), that should be in a new section. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:19, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Oof I hope we have a longer respite before the next one. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 23:58, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Thank you Firefangledfeathers. You have brought fairness to Wade Burleson on Wikapedia. I accept being "blocked" but you have successfully thwarted the vandalism of those who wish to tarnish the reputation of my friend and boss. Okiehistory (talk) 20:01, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

ani

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Slatersteven (talk) 14:08, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your patience!

Thank you for your patience on RS/N over the last few days. As a former one and a half decade old IPA, I can confidently say your professional attitude and helpfulness is of great value to Misplaced Pages.

Discretionary sanction

Hi, I'd like to know the reason for the discretionary sanction. I was not aware of discretionary sanctions in place for the topic (Politics_of_J._K._Rowling) nor is there an ds/editnotice in place on the page. Thanks. WikiMane11 (ThunderPeel) (talk) 14:21, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi WikiMane11, the portion of Politics of J. K. Rowling you edited is about a living person and is therefore covered under BLP discretionary sanctions. It also concerned a gender-related dispute, hence the coverage under gender and sexuality DS. All edits about those subjects are subject to discretionary sanctions, even if there is no edit notice. Please let me know if you have any more questions. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 14:43, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

What specific rules did I break? WikiMane11 (ThunderPeel) (talk) 14:49, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't believe you have broken any rules! The DS notices at least attempt to be clear about that, saying that the alert "does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date". PS: I fixed some formatting errors in my above comment; you should now be able to see the names of the Arbitration cases the DS are under. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 14:55, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Ha. Thanks. Ok, so then can I ask why was I given a DS? (Side note: I find it odd that other editors are fighting to keep weasel words in an article and insisting on including irrelevant information.) WikiMane11 (ThunderPeel) (talk) 14:58, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

No worries! I want as many people as possible to know about the heightened scrutiny in those topic areas. I post a lot of alerts. If you want to talk through the article issues, I encourage you to start a talk page section; if you do, I'd appreciate a ping. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 15:02, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Done! WikiMane11 (ThunderPeel) (talk) 15:59, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Sex and gender distinction

Please could you take a look at the last couple of edits and tell me what you think. I got the impression yesterday that you approved of my recent change. Thanks. Tewdar (talk) 09:28, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

The last couple of edits, before I started adding lots of citations, that is... Tewdar (talk) 10:07, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Happy to take a look. Might be a few hours. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 12:05, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I'll respond at the article talk. Thank you for the rigorous sourcing; though, you might want to start thinking about which ones could be pruned when we go from having a content dispute problem to a (nicer to have) WP:CITEBOMB problem. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 12:58, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I always intended to prune, once I had established that this summarizes an absolutely overwhelming consensus. Thank you for your very welcome input. Tewdar (talk) 13:35, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

They didn't like it... Tewdar (talk) 20:57, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

... this is a frustrating topic area to work in. Hope you have some good coping strategies. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 05:39, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

What a vile editing environment. Coping strategies? Yeah, I go back and edit linguistics and archaeology articles, where consensual article improvement is remarkably easy to obtain in comparison. Tewdar (talk) 07:59, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Please help me

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:No_original_research/Noticeboard Tewdar (talk) 19:09, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

I noticed the post and am reading with interest. I can't say for sure that I'll respond. Friendly advice: posting like this could be considered WP:CANVASSING and you may want to exercise caution. For the record, I already had the page on my watchlist. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 04:37, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

I was unaware of such a policy. Sorry. Tewdar (talk) 07:00, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Justin Trudeau

Thanks for the info. May you please read the Justin Trudeau talk page, and consider joining the discussion. I value your input. Peerreviewededitor (talk) 05:13, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome! Will do, though it may be half a day or so. Thanks, and I value your contributions as well. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 05:16, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Chuhdary

The article was just deleted if you would like to create a redirect to Chowdhury. Notfrompedro (talk) 20:45, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Notfrompedro, go for it! I’m on mobile for a bit. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 20:49, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello i guess this is how you communicate to each other on wikipedia

I stumbled on this page called katyn masssacre and i noticd that a lot of information was 100% incorrect

Ive intreasted myself in this topic but never bothered to read the wikipedia page but tbh i felt it was my responsibility to make sure this page presents a more grounded perspective on the topic please reply and read my sources that i put into this (Baztain (talk) 14:47, 1 September 2021 (UTC))

Hi Baztain! Yes, we mostly communicate on talk pages. I started a talk page section at Talk:Katyn massacre and pinged you so we can discuss the article there. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 15:31, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

"...frustration of knowing the truth..." - your skill is admired. Lembit Staan (talk) 20:20, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Back at you! The blunder you caught would have lasted a lifetime if it were solely up to me to catch it. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 20:37, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Are you friends with user Neutrality?

Hi Firefangledfeathers. Sorry if I'm bothering you but I'm new and interested in learning about some of the most authoritative editors. I couldn't help but notice you and user Neutrality have had outside talks other than what I previously knew and I'm wondering if you have any relationship/colleague ties? Thanks. ButterSlipper (talk) 06:56, 2 September 2021 (UTC)