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Justification for This List

Why in the world does this intellectually depraved, flagrant, tabloidish, and breathtakingly silly list exist on Misplaced Pages? Why should it exist anywhere? For those who wish to waste their time enumerating the sexuality of well-known people, there's the National Enquirer and other tabloids. If this list can stand on intrinsic merit alone, then shouldn't Misplaced Pages have lists of notable bald men, men with one testicle, transgender (I'm too late), transgenders with one testicle, dwarfs, women with augmented breasts, people one shade darker than white, and people who feature any other attribute that are different in the eyes of bigots everywhere? The only Misplaced Pages context in which a mention of one's sexuality is potentially relevant is as part of a larger article about one's life and times as a whole. And in the event that you still feel good about maintaining and contributing to foolish lists like this one, perhaps you should bear in mind that jailing homosexuals, interning thousands of Japanese Americans, and killing millions of Jews entails compiling lists resembling this one.

I think Misplaced Pages users would be much better served by a list comprising all the sorts of things that bigots commonly turn their attention to. Finally, since I'm all but certain that it's important to those who must drum up a counter argument, I'm a 52-year-old heterosexual white guy.--174.192.31.150 (talk) 14:29, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

This list is based on self-identification and/or biographical evidence. If an actor says she's a lesbian, for example, or comes out as a lesbian in a public setting, the individual has chosen to make her sexual orientation known. If a person is deceased and there is historical documentation about his or her private life, it supports inclusion in the list. Adding a name to the list requires verification with reliable published sources. Readers, students, and academics who want to learn about or research gay, lesbian, and bisexual history would find this list useful.
Btw, I'm a lesbian. A homosexual female. (Old enough to remember when it was not easy to find information about other lesbians. There was no Internet and social media when I came out.) I find no offense in the existence of this no-nonsense list. Pyxis Solitary yak 15:39, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

I dont get why there is a list like this. Make a list of all straight people too then smh 85.226.197.134 (talk) 05:22, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Nobody gives a rat's ass what you don't get. There's a genuine reason why a list of LGBT people is warranted (it's information people are actually looking for), and a genuine reason why a list of all straight people would be unmaintainable (it would have to include upwards of 90 per cent of everybody who exists at all, and thus could never actually be completed), and not useful (people are already automatically assumed to be straight and cis until they've explicitly come out as anything else, so nobody needs a list of what everybody already just assumes to be true anyway), and sometimes even just plain wrong (there are still to this day people who swear up and down that Freddie Mercury was straight just because he was never officially open about his sexuality during his lifetime, and simply don't believe anything we've learned about his private life since he died.) So no, a list of LGBT people does not have to be matched with a list of heterosexual people, for the same reason that LGBT Pride day doesn't mean there needs to be a Straight Pride day too: every day is already straight pride day. You're not the voice of "reason" here for the purposes of SMH privileges, kiddo. Bearcat (talk) 15:45, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Title not inclusive, needs change

I think the title of this page is not inclusive enough. It should be changed to "List of LGBTQ+ people" or similar, where people with other preferences or self identifications are properly represented.Thinker78 (talk) 19:20, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages "Featured list"

The following lists of gay, lesbian or bisexual people have received Featured list status for Culture and society:

· A · R · Sa–Sc · Sd–Si · Sj–Sz · T–V · W–Z (7 lists).  Pyxis Solitary yak 12:56, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Oda Nobunaga, Takeda Shingen (both bi)

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In Sengoku Japan, there wasn't any taboo about lying with other men. That practice was called a Shudou and Oda Nobunaga and Takeda Shingen were known for having had relationships with boys named Mori Ranmaru and Kosaka Masanobu, the former of which is a popular subject of yaoi mangas thanks to his "reputation". Oda Nobunaga and Takeda Shingen could be considered bi as both had wives but at the same time had Shudou relationships. This book says that Ranmaru was Nobunaga's "handsome young lover", hence the Daimyo that unified Japan was a bi. As for Shingen, Kosaka Masanobu's own Misplaced Pages page claims he had a "love relationship" (not sexual, but still romantic) with Shingen.

https://books.google.it/books?id=1ha9GgWNmy0C&pg=PA283&lpg=PA283&dq=nobunaga+ranmaru+sex&source=bl&ots=MMNvrcwUDn&sig=ACfU3U1H8wsFs_gG1hCAn24yxyQ9XeEuwA&hl=it&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwin1vifnLrnAhXOGuwKHT69CgkQ6AEwA3oECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=nobunaga%20ranmaru%20sex&f=false

This source also states Nobunaga and Shingen have had sex with boys

https://books.google.it/books?id=a6q-PqPDAmIC&pg=PA53&lpg=PA53&dq=were+shingen+and+kosaka+lovers?&source=bl&ots=Kz7ixftmCa&sig=ACfU3U1ugkvQGr_KQnwXHamt4tmvJ7iEZg&hl=it&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjyqrrznrrnAhWE26QKHXbvDZUQ6AEwBHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=were%20shingen%20and%20kosaka%20lovers%3F&f=false 79.12.49.221 (talk) 10:54, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Western identification of persons as "gay" or "bi" do not apply to historical Japan. See the list inclusion criteria for more. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:56, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

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