User talk:Jefferson Anderson

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Civil Defence Forces

Hello there,

Just to let you know, (as the primary author of the article in question) the article does indeed cite it's source of information, which it links to under "External links". Because of this, I am going to revert the tag. Thanks--Thomas.macmillan 22:37, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Reason for deletion on Black concert T-shirt

Just wondering why you added the delete tag to this article. You did not provide any reasons and you did not add to the discussion. People nominating articles for deletion normally provide some argument as to why they have done so. --Mattarata 14:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The article had 1 source when you tagged it, and it has 3 sources now. I could probably cull 100 references to the Black concert T-shirt in popular literature and news articles if I spent hours searching. Most people, when tagging an article, provide a little bit of detail in their reason for tagging other than just WP:OR or some general statement. --Mattarata 15:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Paganism and Polytheism Recategorizations

You seem to be doing extensive cleaning up and reorganizing of the Paganism and Polytheistic categories. I think I understand what you're doing but would you mind explaining the removal of the Irish and Scottish Culture categories from the Samhain article? I suppose you think these are covered under the Religion in Ireland and Scotland Categories but I think they are more cultural celebrations than religion per se. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 16:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I just wanted to thank you for cleaning up my grammar and spelling mistakes on Lopezian Paganism before you decided it did not belong in Misplaced Pages. Although it is certainly not something I made up and has been around for about 30 years now, I had not realized that original research was not acceptable when I put up the article. I have moved it over to the religion wikia now, which seems a better home for it. Babylon Horuv 17:17, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Categorization Questions

Re: Perhaps you could help with a couple categorization questions that I'm not sure what to do with. Take a look at Category:Paganism. I have a question about two subcategories. First, I don't think that Category:Idolatry belongs here at all, being a concept of Abrahamic religions. Second, it seems to be that Category:Pagan festivals should really be called Category:Neopagan festivals and moved down under Category:Neopaganism. What do you think? Jefferson Anderson 17:05, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I think both of those suggestions are good about Idolatry and recat of Pagan festivals to Neopagan Festivals. The standardization you are doing is good and needed overview work. I might quibble with a few of your deletions but I'd prefer to see some overall order imposed and then tweak it than just leave it in the haphazard manner now applied. I'm still curious about your removal of the Irish and Scottish Cultural Cats I mentioned above. Would you mind explaining your rationale? Thanks. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 21:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Oops, I missed your response. Sorry. I'm switching the cats on those articles to Culture because I think it's more appropriate than Religion. In those countries, I think the way those days are celebrated is more cultural than specifically religious. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 22:01, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Templates

Please understand that templates such as {{spa}} are there for convenience only. A user who puts the same message into his own words is not doing anything wrong. Templates are made for common occurrences, however, in more specialized occurrences a specially written message that represents the spirit of the guideline is certainly appropriate. HighInBC 20:40, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Bad Faith?

Hi Jefferson Anderson, I see that you posted a comment that accuses me of bad faith. You also removed my comment. In general at Misplaced Pages you should not accuse someone of acting in bad faith unless it is an obvious case of vandalism. It also is usually not a good idea to remove someone's comments. I am pretty thick skinned, so I haven't taken offense. However, I'm curious to know why you believe my comment was in bad faith? Sincerely, --BostonMA 22:15, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I have resonded on my talk page. . --BostonMA 22:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, about this question, you are welcome to cross out your vote with <del>(what you want to cross out)</del>. But please do not alter other people's responses to you. Thanks for your polite response to this issue. HighInBC 23:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi regarding your question, I too am not sure about the meaning of parts of this comment. In particular, I don't understand how the comment that was sited is a demonstration of an assumption of bad faith on your part, and have asked the editor to explain further. However, if you feel offended by it, you may wish to consider the comment you left about me on the AfD page. You may strike that comment out as well (if you choose :-D). Regarding the mention of departed editors, you are aware that there is an arbcom case. There has been contention in the recent past, and at least one editor has retired. The mention of the departed editors was an expression of concern that the retired editor might return under a different name. Sincerely, --BostonMA 00:14, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi again, I see that you have already deleted your comments about me. Thanks. Sorry I brought it up again. Thanks again. Sincerely, --BostonMA 00:16, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi once more. I thought I would give you a heads up that you have been mentioned in an arbcom case . If you have any questions about this, I would be happy to help, although my knowledge of arbcom is limited. By the way, although the diff above is to the Requests for Arbitration page, you won't find the case there any more, because it has been moved. Follow the links in this comment to get to the current location. Sincerely, --BostonMA 01:23, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't be discouraged

I know Misplaced Pages is full of controversy. This is to be expected. In my time hear I have been insulted, threatened, abused, but I have also been encourages, educated, and apologized too. I have received much good faith advice which I have taken to heart.

Misplaced Pages is a confusing and passionate place at times, if you ever need advice or help in any way simple click the Ask me button on my signature. And keep up the good work, people's opinions are this site's greatest asset. HighInBC 23:55, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Some action taken

I have just done a round of deletions of names from the Starwood festival page and a few deletions of Starwood mentions on other pages. I also assembled some 3rd-party sources referencing Starwood appearances on the part of many of the subjects who had mentions in their articles and added them. Some include interviews by the subjects discussing these appearances. I also provided links to a couple articles that had only been referred to in the past. (I would not be suprised if I did some of these wrong, in that I may have put links in the body of the text that belonged in the "Reference" section and such, and I welcome anyone changing such errors.) I hope this demonstrates my desire to improve articles and satisfy requests for 3rd-party sources. I have not added to the Starwood Festival page, only subtracted (though I did ask someone to fix a link to a band's page), and though I have added to the Jeff Rosenbaum article it was only to beef it up to avoid its deletion. If it can pass muster, I plan not to edit it any more, and I hope to ask others to handle any direct additions to the Starwood, WinterStar and ACE articles. I may still make more deletions to them for a while.

I appreciate the fact that you weighed in on this issue. I find myself in a position where those who have been here longer that I have wield a big advantage in their ability to draw on friendships and alliances in any issue. I have certainly made some mistakes, but most have been the result of an honest attempt to create valuable articles. I have been subjected to both attacks and sabotage (which is the only way I can describe some of Matisse's actions), and though I've tried to find compromise positions and satisfy some of the demands put upon me, the pressure keeps up on several fronts. Again, I appreciate ANY support.

And as to the accusations and treatment you have been subjected to, I must say that I'm unimpressed with those who tell you "well, I might be wrong" when they marginalize you but won't take down the statements. Rosencomet 21:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Uniterran Church edits

Just wondering what is your justification for removing yahoo links and email links from the Uniterran Church page. Please let me know what the wikipedia rules are concerning this if you were acting in accordance with these rules.

Mirlin 01:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

prod vs afd i see your point but if you don't at least try to put the prod on it you never know if it would be removed for sure. i guess it because i look for smaller articals which haves less information on it or just something that should not be on wikipedia oh well at least you heard my side of things. i more thing also i guess my point of view comes from last week i proded 2 articals for delation and the tag was left for 5 days but because nothing happend i put them on afd which i know i should not have because i should have let the prods expire thats all i am sayingOo7565 18:36, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I am of the "opinion" that user Jefferson Anderson declares warfare on articles he personally does not like. If I had been aware that the UTC article has been marked for deletion before today, I guarantee that it would have gathered more "Keep" votes than "delete" votes. Our church will do everything in our ability to have this article restored. Mirlin 21:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Celtic Reconstructionist Paganism

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. - WeniWidiWiki 19:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Bridgeland

Okay - I know where Bridgeland is... it is in Northwest Harris County. It is a large suburban development that will open soon. I reverted the article to an earlier form and voted to keep. WhisperToMe 22:04, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

In Texas there are MANY unincorporated communities that contain a lot of residents.

The Woodlands, Texas is not a town or city - It is a development mostly in unincorporated Montgomery County but partly in Harris County, for instance.

Also, Kingwood, Houston, Texas originally was unincorporated but was later annexed by the city of Houston.

By the way, I would make sure that authors of development articles phrase the developments in NPOV manners :) WhisperToMe 22:17, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Wait - I do not understand the idea behind the "Bridgeland Community" trademark name... I don't understand the problem. WhisperToMe 22:25, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Vintage sockpuppet

No problem:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Vintagekits

It's been overlooked for a month. Logoistic 21:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, it doesn't say anywhere that it has to be an admin that adds the labels, or blocks the account. See: Misplaced Pages:Sock puppetry. Logoistic 21:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Why is the account DownDaRoad getting banned as it never cross edited with me, Logoistic has about 6 sockpuppets that were considered legit - so why wasnt mine?--Vintagekits 22:03, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Where did I vandalise Vintage's user page? Logoistic 22:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Yogani AfD

Hi Jefferson Anderson,

I was wondering if you could pass by the Yogani AfD discussion page, after first viewing the article's discussion page (), which may help in the AfD discussion. Thanks and have a great day. Mdyogi 23:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Jefferson Anderson. No offense taken. I'm definitely still a greenhorn when it comes to writing on Misplaced Pages so any guidance is appreciated when given. Regarding the article, I understand completely what you are saying about Yogani's anonymity, and I know that I have my work cut out for me. I'm gonna give it my best shot over the weekend and if it still doesn't make the grade according to Wiki standards, I will have nothing against the actions that must be taken. Rules are rules, and I acknowledge that. The funny part about the whole thing is that his anonymity (and no desire for fame or guru status) is really what sets him apart is his field. Here we have a guy who has written hundreds of free lessons on many advanced spiritual practices, most which have been inaccessible to the general public for thousands of years, and asks for absolutely nothing in return. Through this open-source style of teachings, he is leading the way on redefining the way spiritual practices are taught. Now I've just got to figure out a way to prove it. :)

Thank you for taking the time to explain your side of things. Have a great day. Mdyogi 21:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Open Source (Response)

Hi Jefferson Anderson. Thank you for taking the time to share those excellent recommendations, they are appreciated. I will definitely look into them if the article doesn't make the cut. One quick question: Regarding your last statement about interviews. Yogani has recently done three radio interviews and is scheduled for three more this month, the soonest one being Sunday. There is plenty of information in the interviews, which have been archived and are available for streaming or download at http://www.aypsite.com/audio.html, so they can be verified. The interviews have been conducted on a talk radio show in Cincinnati (1360 WSAI ) called "Yoga - The Other 98 Percent", and simultaneously broadcast live on the internet. I was originally going to use these as sources in the article as there is plenty of information there, but the closest I could find to a radio interview in the Misplaced Pages guidelines for sources was for video. Would these interviews qualify as sources, so long as the information referenced is contained within the interviews, or would I run into a problem again due to them being hosted on the AYP site? Thanks again for your help and have a great day. Mdyogi 00:18, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Revisions Underway

Hi Jefferson Anderson. I have started by removing the sections of the article which can not currently be verified to Misplaced Pages standards. Using a recent radio interview as a source, I have rewritten the entire Biography and other sections of the article. As more sources become available in the future, I will maintain the article, adding new information and citing as necessary. Please let me know if I am on the right track here. Thanks. :) Mdyogi 17:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Nomination for deletion withdrawn

Hi Jefferson Anderson. Just wanted to say thanks for the guidance on the article over the past week or so. It is because of the help that I was able to get the article up to spec, so it is greatly appreciated. I'm going to continue with the expansion over the weekend per your recommendations, and hopefully create a great article worthy of the man it is about. On a side note, can I assume that the AfD tag will be removed from the article in the near future? Thanks again and have a great day. Mdyogi 03:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Sockpuppetry harassment

Hi Jefferson, thanks for doing what you are. It's hopeless for my case but maybe it will help others in the future. I would help you out on your discussion thread but I'm not good at that sort of thing and can't even follow my own Arbitration case. But I'm glad that you are addressing the need to clarify sockpuppet guidlines/policies.

I don't know if this is your area, but I have been trying to find documentation of my sockpuppets and cannot find most of it. Also, I've noticed that many other user accounts are labelled as sockpuppets, or suspected sockpuppets, without any explanation of why or what the evidence is. Do you think that the tag itself should have a link to the evidence? It would be so helpful if it did. Anyway, thanks so much for your efforts. Sincerely, --Mattisse 18:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. Unfortuately, that much I knew as I did spend quite a bit of time trying to get answers and trying to figure things out. But without a formal report, I can never be sure. Plus the sockpuppet labelling is inconsistent on the accounts, and one, Dattat, was labelled because of one edit connected to Shrank and at least one other, Liftwaffen, did not make any edits that violated policy. But, to tell you the truth I don't care anymore. I see the whole sockpuppet business as highly corrupt and misused, a game some people like to play, and I don't see that changing. I've lost interest in my own sockpuppet issues as it is all tied up in mystery. But the more power to users like you who have faith in a better Misplaced Pages and are willing to work toward it. Thanks for your good efforts. Sincerely, --Mattisse 19:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I apologise if I said something to offend you. I don't think I said I was an amateur. I have spent many months trying to figure this out. But in any event, I don't want to argue about this with you. As I said, I don't care anymore and I applaud you for for you efforts to improve. Again, I apologise for offending you. Sincerely, --Mattisse 19:39, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I apologise to you once again for having offended you

Then I apologise once again for having offended you. I admit I am paranoid. In my experience at Misplaced Pages there are only three people who amass material about the subject as you did in one of your last messages. I admit that because the wording was so familiar, it triggered fear reaction in me. I am sorry and apologise for any faulty response that hurt you. Sincerely, --Mattisse 20:07, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I deeply apologise to you for offending you once again - please do not post on my talk page again - thank you

I made assumptions than I should not have. I apologise once again. Sincerely, --Mattisse 22:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

The box on your page

Could you please remove the box which states that you are not a sock of Mattisse. This could be seen as a personal attack against Mattisse. Thanks. Sincerely, --BostonMA 01:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

MedCab case: Celtic Reconstructionist Paganism

I am presently contacting all parties to confirm voluntary participating in MedCab Case you had requested. If this issue is still outstanding and you wish to accept me as your mediator please return to the mediation page, edit the discussion section, state that you wish to proceed with my mediation and sign your name. Alan.ca 21:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

The respondents in your MedCab case seem quite unwilling to co-operate with mediation. I strongly suggest that you seek advocacy at the WP:AMA. Alan.ca 04:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Your Userbox

Hi Jefferson. It was not I who removed the userbox from your page. However, I do request that you not have userboxes that might be seen as personal attacks. Although you may not think this is my concern, I believe that civility is the concern of the entire community, because the effects of incivility extend beyond the parties involved. I hope this helps to explain my concern in this matter. Sincerely, --BostonMA 21:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Esperanza used to have an advocate program. Esperanza is now mostly defunct, so I don't know if there exists an advocate program at the moment. You may wan to ask at the Misplaced Pages:Help desk. Several editors you may wish to contact include User:Jossi and User:Addhoc. They may or may not be able to help you, but at the very least, they may be able to steer you in the right direction better than I am able.

With regard to comments that may have been directed at you which might be interpretted as incivil, I recommend that you resond to any such incivility by leaving a note on the talk page of the other party requesting them to refrain from whatever sort thing that might be problematic, just as I left a note for you on your talk page. If that doesn't work, I would be happy to look at specific problems you might have. I am, however, rather busy with real life at the moment, so you should not be surprised if I do not respond promptly. Sincerely, --BostonMA 21:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I was just looking at User:Addhoc's user page and noticed a link to Misplaced Pages:Association of Members' Advocates. I suggest that you try there and see if you get any response. --BostonMA 21:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

AMA Advocate

Hi, I read your request and it interested me very much. As I see, is a very difficult case and arbitration has already begun, so, if you are willing me to be your advocate, this will have to be fast. That's why my first question is how will we communicate each other. I highly prefer to use email, but, if you have a problem with it, we can use another way. If you accept to work with me send me an email at emvigo (at) gmail (dot) com or post me a message in my talk. Yours! (in case you don't want me as advocate, the case request's status will be placed as "new" again) --Neigel von Teighen 11:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I will accept you as my advocate, and will email you shortly. Jefferson Anderson 17:16, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Ca nyou help me also please mate

See the messege I left here. I know you are kind of aware of the situation but could so with you helping me out please.--Vintagekits 20:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Starwood arbitration update

The case was originally filed based on the actions of editors involved in the Starwood links issue. A second issue involving a dispute at Celtic Reconstructionist Paganism was added in the evidence phase in the belief that it was a continuation of the same alleged harassment. However, the two cases have very little overlap. Arbitrator Fred Bauder has decided to consider only the Starwood matter at this time. I have trimmed the workshop page to remove material related to the Celtic Reconstructionist Paganism matter. That matter may be placed before the arbitration committee at any time by filing a separate request for arbitration. If the case is accepted, evidence and analysis may be copied from the page history and used there. Thank you. For the arbitration committee, Thatcher131 01:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

The bad news is that while I was analyzing the case I became convinced that Frater and Anderson are the same editor. It may not be proveable in a court, but the evidence is much stronger than is normally required on Misplaced Pages. The good news is that, except for the sockpuppetry (both accounts editing several AfDs and the Celtic Paganism article), the edits were (in my unofficial opinion) more or less reasonable as to questioning the appropriateness of the CR Faq as a source. Thatcher131 02:00, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of T. Allen Greenfield

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Allen Greenfield

I don't get why there's even a question about this, and I'll say so on the deletion page. I was not previously aware of him, but I'll bet Ian Corrigan and Donald Michael Kraig have some info, and I can e-mail them about it. But though the article itself can certainly use some rewriting and expanding, the subject seems perfectly notable. Here's a link to a website with plenty of biographical material; I can't vouch for any of it, and some isn't encyclopedic, but valuable stuff can be culled from it. I will add a few items myself.

I think the best course is to add a nice section on his background as a UFOlogist, and not rely so much on his occult chops. I haven't a clue as to how notable all the "titles" he is said to hold are, but he's got broadcast media appearances and has been a lecturer at several conferences, and has written and/or contributed to several books, and was quoted by several legitimate journalists and authors. Rosencomet 22:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Allen H. Greenfield

Recently you argued "keep" on an article for one Allen H. Greenfield based on his supposed academic credentials. I have researched Mr. Greenfield's "Doctor of Divinity" and have discovered that it was issued by the Universal Life Church, an on-line ordination and diploma mill that specializes in selling ecclesiastical titles. I would urge you to consider whether or not you want Misplaced Pages to become a advertising agency for every crack-pot author and pseudo-doctor who happens to write a book or two. Eyes down, human. 22:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

AMA Case

User:MensKeperRa has filed a request for assistance with the WP:AMA (found here that you are involved in. I have asked MensKeperRa to write a brief summary of his arguments in the Discussion section, and once he does that I would appreciate it if you would write a brief (1-2 sentences here) counterpoint. Obviously this is not mandatory, but it seems like the user is very adamant about this - thus I do hope you will seriously consider taking part in the discussion. I look forward to working with you, and hopefully we can all come to a agreeable solution. --Daniel()Folsom |_C| 04:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Well apparently MensKeperRa isn't interested in working on the cased -I'm going to shut it down.--Daniel()Folsom |_C| 15:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)