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Too long
@Gyuli Gula and Aklys Erida:
The article is very detailed and well written, thank you for the massive improvement. A problem though -- the article is now well above the recommended readable size. It is among the top 200 longest articles of Misplaced Pages and if we exclude lists then it may well be within the top 50. And some sections (for example the history) are already so complex that it may be difficult for readers without sufficient existing knowledge on the subject to follow through.
If more substantial edits are on the way, perhaps consider splitting off some of the sections? The sections for each dynasties, for example, already appears long enough to be their own articles as "Clothing in XX dynasty" or "Fashion in XX dynasty". Esiymbro (talk) 07:58, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Esiymbro and Aklys Erida: If this is ok with you, I will edit the article, I think that there is a few sections which could be merged with other hanfu pages (e.g. list of Hanfu, ruqun, etc.). At the same time, I will start removing duplicates from the history section. Maybe create a few more wikipedia pages...?
- @Esiymbro and Gyuli Gula: Hi both, sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I don't mind it at all. I am very busy these days, so I will only have time to do small edits. @Gyuli Gula:, please feel free do so :) Thank you for your hard work to both of you AE Aklys Erida (talk) 12:43, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
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@Strayacj: Both Hanfu and Xianbei clothing influenced Korean clothing. Xianbei influence is not a valid excuse to remove the content here. Esiymbro (talk) 10:36, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
@Esiymbro: any sources? The origin of official costumes is not Hanfu, the costume of the Han Chinese. It is clear that Korean royal official costumes in the past were influenced by China, such as the Tang and Ming Dynasty, but Hanbok does not mean official costumes and you have to distinguish between official and casual clothing. In addition, official costumes are not the origins of the Han Chinese, but the Xianbei. Hanfu was only the clothes of the people of the Han Dynasty, or it was to distinguish between the costumes of other ethnic groups and the costumes of the Han Chinese.
- No one here is saying that Korean costumes originated from Hanfu, but that they are influenced by it.
- Have you actually read the content you reverted? If that is not enough, there are dozens of sourced statements on Hanfu influence on Hanbok at the article Hanbok and other related articles. The burden is on you to find sources to support your own history revisionist claim that Hanfu did not have any influence whatsoever on Hanbok. Esiymbro (talk) 11:20, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
@Esiymbro: Please present it based on historical records. And since culture is interacting with each other, it cannot be said that Hanfu necessarily influenced Hanbok. Again, the concept of hanbok is not official clothes, but casual clothes. The concept of Hanfu also means the clothes worn by the people of Han Dynasty, and Hanfu was also influenced by the costumes of various ethnic groups. If so, how would you explain that Goryeo's hanbok influenced Hanfu of the late Yuan Dynasty and the early Ming Dynasty? 可以拿过来历史文献上的记载啊
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