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Evidence presented by A. C. Santacruz
Rp2006 has not disclosed COI(s) affecting his editing
Roxy the dog has reverted without reading the justification for the edit
This is concerning for a user that reverts as a large proportion of their editing.
Evidence presented by ScottishFinnishRadish
How I've been saying this should be handled since the beginning:
BLP/NPOV/DUE/Coatrack
There is a pattern of severely coatracking WP:NPOV and WP:UNDUE negative and defamatory content into BLP articles of psychics, alternative medicine practitioners and the like(PAMPATL). On the flip side, there has been a pattern of severely coatracking WP:NPOV and WP:UNDUE positive and fluffy content into the BLP articles of skeptics and those involved in the skeptic movement. There is also a clear disregard for WP:BLP applying to non-article space when dealing with PAMPATLs. Just because someone says they're a psychic or says the earth is flat does not give carte blanche to ignore BLP.
Thomas John (medium)
- Creates a coatrack, over half the article negative, severe BLPvio in lead and body.
- Just a formatting edit, makes it clear he's using a blog for negative information and quote mining.
- COI source, used to coatrack more negative material in article.
- Adds a SPS source
- Cites WP:JEZEBEL for contentious info in a BLP
- Restoring BLPvio and negative content to lead
- Restoring negative content from a COI source
- Restores BLPvio to lead after it was removed for BLP reasons
- At this point, more than 90% negative information, clear violation of WP:UNDUE, Rp2006 is responsible for 45kB of additions, next editor is only 8kB.
Rp2006 non-article space BLPvio
- "Only legitimate thing the subject does"
- labels article subject "Medical quack" on his user page. Article states "Quackwatch has stated that PATH promotes and sells questionable health products, and has also accused Braverman of promoting quackery." This itself is BLPvio, using SPS in a BLP for negative claims.
- Labels Gwyneth Paltrow a "snake-oil salesman" on his user page.
Battleground/Civility/Stonewalling
It is incredibly difficult to make any headway in discussions about issues in this area due to incivility and stonewalling during discussions.
Incivility and Stonewalling at the COIN thread
- Witchfinder/witch hunt
- "campaign against GSoW"
- "fringe sympathetic"
- Night of the Long Knives (disambiguation), even if not a Nazi reference, none of these are acceptable comparisons
- I used the phrase "lynch mob" 36 times in about a dozen years" as if that is a defense?
- Attacks editor's contribution percentages "you just love causing drama. Or maybe you don't love doing so, but it is your nature and you cannot avoid it."
- "I thought maybe I had the wrong idea; Santacruz does actual work and isn't just here to cause drama."
- When informed of copyright issue "This is harassment, plain and simple."
- Involved close, from an editor with strong opinions on the subject. Lists "facts" of the discussion, leaves out a functionary saying they have received clear evidence of COI editing. Community can't resolve issues when involved editors close threads with their POV.
- Stonewalling, before closing. Close matches their views expressed here.
- It's hard to find single diffs that show stonewalling, but that's a decent example. Little bit of incivility mixed in as well
- More stonewalling and mild incivility.
Incivility discussion about possible COI on Rp2006's talk page
Rp2006
- Calls DS/alert template harrassment
- "at war with GSoW, but is actively supporting Fringe."
- "intentionally or not, you folks are handing a huge win to con-men everywhere"
- "And now A._C._Santacruz is harassing me on talk with a misgendering claim."
- "Yes... Thought that would piss you off. I admit it's not quite WP:RS material"
Roxy
- "Witch hunting is exactly hitting the nail on the head. It does mean false accusation. Good grief."
- general incivility
Stonewalling At Sharon A. Hill
This is the clearest example of what happens in the topic area when cleanup work is attempted.
- Discussion on edits started on Nov26.
- Revert with no discussion.
- Revert again with no discussion.
- Revert again with no discussion.
- Roxy the dog complaining about RFC after not discussing reverts, with incivility.
- Clear consensus close of a discussion about part of the edits made, showing they have merit.
Evidence presented by tgeorgescu
There is WP:CONSENSUS to oppose edits contrary to: WP:FRINGE, WP:MEDRS; WP:LUNATICS; WP:CHOPSY; WP:GOODBIAS; WP:DUE, WP:PSCI and WP:FALSEBALANCE; WP:ARBPS and WP:ARBCAM. So, this isn't a case against organized skepticism. Organized skepticism is highly valued in societies based upon science and technology. Skeptics are in this respect welcome to edit Misplaced Pages, since they endorse science well-done and scholarship well-done. tgeorgescu (talk) 16:14, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Evidence presented by {your user name}
before using the last evidence template, please make a copy for the next person
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Place argument and diffs which support your assertion; for example, your first assertion might be "So-and-so engages in edit warring", which should be the title of this section. Here you would show specific edits to specific articles which show So-and-so engaging in edit warring.
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Place argument and diffs which support the second assertion; for example, your second assertion might be "So-and-so makes personal attacks", which should be the title of this section. Here you would show specific edits where So-and-so made personal attacks.