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The result was delete. If anyone wants no merge anything, tehy can have the text, although I'd counsel against it because very little of the content is based on reliable third-party sources. Sandstein 06:15, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Standard closing disclaimer: If this discussion contained any opinions offered by single purpose accounts or arguments not based on applicable policy, they were discounted in assessing consensus for this decision. Sandstein 06:15, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Brahma Kumaris Info

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Non-notable website. Lack of secondary sources. If relevant, material could be merged into Brahma Kumaris after deletion. (Note: that article and involved editors are in the evaluation stage for an ArbCom case. See WP:RFAR#Brahma_Kumaris_World_Spiritual_University) ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 01:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete and merge any material based on secondary sources to Brahma Kumaris, as nominator. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:42, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:WEB, if possible delete under CSD A7. Tarret 01:12, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Brahma Kumaris. SkierRMH 02:18, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and merge as per nom, and if AfD fails it needs a hell of a lot of clean-up. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 04:12, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - fails WP:WEB. MER-C 04:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Notable article. Plenty of independent google hits. The article was only created a mere 24 hours ago. Let's give it some time to develop before debating whether to axe it. Looks like there are already some interesting sources given at the bottom of the article - if given time, more sources will likely be appended as well. Smeelgova 06:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
  • Comment - no, it doesn't have many google hits - a query on "Brahma Kumaris Info" returns hits on info about Brahma Kumaris and not information related to the webpage Brahma Kumaris Info (brahmakumaris.info). The search string "brahmakumaris.info -site:wikipedia.org -site:brahmakumaris.info" (excluding wikipedia and self-references) returns more relevant results, and those aren't too many: 287. Most of which are link listings and message board postings. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 13:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment search for link:www.brahmakumaris.info or link:brahmakumaris.info shows zero links to this site. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 17:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Clearly using wikipedia for advertisement purposes. It goes against and it does not have any credibility (as far as notability of the author,degrees,level of expertise, etc.) avyakt7 15:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

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• Delete non-notable and reads as an advertisement. — Seadog 16:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete in agreement with Jossi's 'no links' comment. IF there are good sources showing that the group the site says it represents exists is notable then I'd suggest refactoring the article to discuss the group. Since their site isn't notable I think this is unlikely. Antonrojo 18:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom Baristarim 19:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• Merge. It does make page one of Google for a search on the 'Brahma Kumaris' but despite references on Rick Ross, Cult Information Center, The Cult Awareness and Information Centre and other counter-cult or cult-watch experts, it is probably too early to feature it - so would fail WP:WEB. As there is a documented history going back to the 1930s, I suggest merge with Brahma Kumaris or move to new article on counter-Brahma Kumaris activity and/or page for support groups for cult survivors as per Unification Church, Scientology controversy etc. 195.82.106.244 02:17, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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• Delete does not meet WP:WEB criteria #1. Sethie 06:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. utcursch | talk 10:19, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletions. -- Hornplease 08:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

• Merge with Brahma Kumaris RaveenS 23:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. WMMartin 18:08, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. It can appropriate to have more than one article on a particular cult or religious group. The Scientology page, for example, currently includes links to some 55 distinct wikipedia articles. The article proposed for deletion hosts information about the Brahma Kumaris organization, current and former members beyond the group's beliefs, practices and history as covered on the Brahma Kumaris page. Specifically, many ex-members have written personal accounts of their experiences, as well as narrating the traumas of other ex-members unable to provide their own accounts, their conflicted lives having ended in suicide. While the content of such pages may (and have been) debated, these references exist, and properly belong to a discussion that considers the cultlike aspects of this particular group. These resources have been aggregated at the BrahmaKumarisInfo website, representing the movement to disseminate knowledge about the group's cultlike behaviors. It is the name of this website that gives the page its title. The high activity of this site, involving thousands of posts from hundreds of former and current members, and splinter group members and ex-members, justifies an additional article about the cultlike behaviors that can be found within the Brahma Kumaris as well as their human, legal and social consequences. Duality Rules 04:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
  • This user has only 27 edits, all in Brahma Kumaris articles. — Duality Rules (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. (talk) 03:19, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep or Merge In viewing the current Brahma Kumaris it reads like an Advert of the Cult. I agree with the above by Duality Rules as it does have a large data base and seems to offer support services to the full spectrum of this area of beliefs and given the current condition of the Brahma Kumaris article the need is there as the cult members seem to be sitting on the article.LogicUser 06:57, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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• Keep The Brahma Kumaris have a history of attempting to suppress information about them, even from their own literature, as is clearly seen on the Brahma Kumaris entry and supporting discussions. BrahmaKumaris.info is the most extensive and diverse, independant source of information on this religious cult, and as such is worthy of recognition in Misplaced Pages Howiemac 03:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.