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Neo-Nazi

Hello, I would like to discuss the term "neo-Nazi" that is attributed to Baked Alaska in the very first sentence of the article. Two sources are cited to justify that term, The A.V. Club and The Times of Israel respectively. The former source does not seem to be reliable for this claim, as according to the perennial sources page it is only considered "generally reliable for film, music, and TV reviews", and so is clearly beyond its area of expertise. A film review website, which explicitly labels itself as "an entertainment website", should not be cited to claim that someone is a "neo-Nazi".

The Times of Israel has a similar issue. It is not listed anywhere on the reliable source page, as it is still somewhat controversial from what I've seen in the noticeboard archives. However, it does look mostly reliable at least with regards to Israeli affairs, and so again it seems that this source is beyond its area of expertise in claiming that an American live-streamer is a "neo-Nazi". But even if this publication is well within its area of expertise, there are still discrepancies with their use of the term towards Baked Alaska. The cited article - dated January 17 2021 - describes Baked Alaska's arrest and does label him as a "neo-Nazi". In their latest article about him though - dated November 20 2021 - they decided to suddenly drop "neo-Nazi" in favor of "far-right media personality" while reporting on his alleged vandalism of a Hanukkah display. This use of "far-right media personality" falls in line with the current media consensus on Baked Alaska, which can be seen in reports from reputable publications such as ABC, AP, and Reuters about his recent assault and vandalism charges. In these reports he is universally described as a far-right media personality, and very clearly not as a "neo-Nazi".

With all of this in mind, I suggest that the instance of "neo-Nazi" be removed and replaced with the generally agreed upon "far-right media personality".

P.S. I'm a newer user, so please tell me if I've broken some etiquette. I made this suggestion in good faith and tried to be as objective as possible. Thank you. Sevner (talk) 12:29, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

I agree. Saying that he is a far-right personality seems sufficient and accurate. While he has seemed content, on occasions, to associate himself with actual neo-nazis, to my knowledge he has never claimed to be one himself. My impression is that his ideology, while definitely far-right, is not precise and coherent enough to warrant that label. One may even say that calling him a neo-nazi is giving him too much credit. Psychloppos (talk) 20:42, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
Agree wholeheartedly, I'd tried to make this change several times, explaining that AV Club wasn't sufficiently authoritative to make the claim per WP:BLP, but got brigaded every time. There was a ton of mainstream coverage of him too after Jan. 6 2021 and none of them dubbed him a Neo-Nazi. --notJackhorkheimer 16:07, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Not sure why this is removed when he is described as a neo-nazi in numerous reliable sources, not just the two mentioned above. E.G. The Independent (1), Raw Story (2), the Guardian (3), Sky News (4), etc.
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