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Her 3 Grammy Awards wins should be mentioned in the opening... those wins are more important than any of the other awards listed. Andriko8 (talk) 04:28, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Not done: - @Andriko8: Glancing at the talk page history I see this has been discussed in the past, and apparently the consensus reached about doing this for biographies in general seems to be against this due to a potential conflict with WP:NPOV (1 2). However, as you can probably tell, this happened quite awhile ago. If you would like, you are free to open up a discussion and change consensus via this talk page. But that consensus existing, alongside this not being in "change X to Y" format, makes me uncomfortable fulfilling this request. Happy editing! ––Sirdog9002 (talk) 05:13, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

I'd say that a better defense of not revising this is that her Grammy wins are referenced throughout the opening section; however, such information is easily missed (not to mention the general structural expectations of information writing as a genre). As for the comment on the "change X to Y format," I have no words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andriko8 (talk • contribs)

I will agree, in retrospect, that my dropping of the "deviation from format" comment of nowhere after talking about policy and precedent for a bit wasn't cool. It probably came off as quite rude; that was not my intention! Back on topic, I still think the edit you are requesting probably necessitates some consensus building first. I can't say that I agree the information about her Grammy is easily missed. That said, this page only necessitates autoconfirmed permissions, which realistically isn't that hard to achieve. It's entirely possible you can make your desired edit yourself in the near future, and then you can see where it goes from there. I could be overestimating how controversial the edit may be. Cheers! ––Sirdog9002 (talk) 07:53, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

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Requested move 18 February 2022

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) (CC) Tbhotch 19:21, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Kelly Clarkson → Kelly Brianne – Many sources say that her name is legally changing.

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Georgia guy (talk) 17:39, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Even the source cited above says "It’s unclear if she will still be known as Kelly Clarkson in her professional life." Until it is clear that she uses her new legal name as her professional stage name, the current title should remain in place. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:18, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Rreagan007, do some singers professionally use last names that they legally dropped?? Please give me an example. Georgia guy (talk) 18:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

There are plenty of entertainers who use a professional name that differs from their legal name. Let's just wait and see if going forward she uses her new legal name as her professional name. Maybe she will and we can eventually move the article, but moving an article like this too soon will run afoul of WP:ASTONISH. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:11, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Strong oppose per Rreagan007. Yes, lots of people continue to use a performing name after changing their legal name. Misplaced Pages cares primarily about the name that is commonly used, not the legal name or even the self-promoted name. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:53, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
BarrelProof, can you give me a notable example?? Georgia guy (talk) 18:57, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
There are 14 examples in this article. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:18, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Oppose. Too soon. 162 etc. (talk) 19:03, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Comment. Rregan007 and BarrelProof, I know that, but there's an important difference. You're dealing with singers who change their name because of marriage but continue to use their birth name professionally. This is someone who's dropping her original last name, but (according to what you're saying) might still be using her dated name professionally. I've never heard of another example of this particular kind. Georgia guy (talk) 19:21, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

But your own source that you cite in support of this move says that it is currently unknown if she will use her new legal name as her stage name, and her official website is still kellyclarkson.com. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:22, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

User:Rreagan007, that statement is consistent with the comment it was a response to; specifically the words "might still be using her dated name professionally". Georgia guy (talk) 19:33, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

The various news sources I've looked at about this say she has filed a petition to legally change her name, so her name hasn't even legally been changed yet. So you want us to move her article now when it isn't even officially her legal name yet, isn't the name she's most commonly known by, isn't the professional name she is currently using on her own official website, and we don't know if she will use it as her professional name going forward. In no way would moving this article now be appropriate. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:41, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

And the name she prefers to use is not even what matters. What matters is what name other people primarily recognize and use to refer to her. Also consider Cat Stevens and Stokely Carmichael. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Strong oppose, #1, her legal name hasn't changed yet. She only filed a petition to change it. #2, on Misplaced Pages we use Common Name, not Legal Names. For example, Betty White's legal name was Betty Ludden, as she changed it when she got married in the 60s. It is noted in her page, but the page is still called "Betty White" DonaldD23 talk to me 20:16, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
- In addition, during her marriage to Brandon, her legal last name was "Blackstock", but this page didn't change names. DonaldD23 talk to me 20:19, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Oppose. Considering the petition was just filed in court on Wednesday, it's way WP:TOOSOON to consider moving the page. We don't even know if it's going to be granted or how long it's going to take, and even then, I think it shouldn't be moved, cause the general public knows her more as 'Kelly Clarkson', WP:COMMONNAME. Snickers2686 (talk) 03:36, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
Oppose for now. She just filed the petition to change her name several days ago. For all we know, Clarkson may back out of the name change. Even if the name is changed, it is unclear if she will stop using "Kelly Clarkson" professionally. That said, if she changes her legal and professional name, then changing her page would have to be another discussion. Looking at other examples on Misplaced Pages, there is Australian actress Pia Whitesell (formerly credited as Pia Miller), who had a discussion last year which saw the change of her page name. The main reasoning was that recent and sufficient enough sources referred to her by her new name. In contrast, you have Kanye West, who legally changed their name to "Ye" but the discussion argued on WP:COMMONNAME and sources still generally referring to him as "Kanye West". Clear Looking Glass (talk) 06:32, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
Oppose per Clarkson's 2023 song "Snowing on Misplaced Pages". Randy Kryn (talk) 12:18, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
Oppose per previously voiced arguments of common name. Also, WP:CRYSTAL is applicable in that the change is being suggested on what might happen. Chaheel Riens (talk) 12:55, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
Hard oppose since Clarkson only filed for this legal name change a mere few days ago and has not been granted by court for it to take effect effective immediately according to multiple news outlets that reported on the matter. Plus, per WP:COMMONNAME, the general public has always known her professionally and still does to this day as Kelly CLARKSON. mediafanatic17 talk 14:59, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
Oppose for now. Kelly Clarkson is still her WP:COMMONNAME so she is more recognizable under this name. She just filed for her legal name to be changed so it would be ideal to wait until it actually takes affect, but even when that happens, there would need to be evidence that coverage shifts towards her new name and away from her more recognizable Clarkson surname. I can understand why this discussion was opened, but WP:COMMONNAME is pretty clear with cases like this one. Aoba47 (talk) 17:56, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
Oppose – This request is premature, until she starts using that title for her music or her TV show then we can reconsider. JE98 (talk) 19:06, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

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