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The result was keep. –Juliancolton 00:13, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Bola tangkas

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no sourcing to assert notability, a google search shows that the game exists most of the results are in Indonesian and are links to gaming sites were it can be played or the developers. Gnangarra 14:09, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

• Weak keep. Coming up against a language barrier, but this is apparently a newspaper article about the game. I think there are others. It seems to be regionally notable. JulesH (talk) 14:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
  • There are other articles on the same site that appear to be about it, too. JulesH (talk) 14:32, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
    • using toggle text translator an Indonesian // English translator the article refers to the arrest of 5 people for playing a ball game Perjudian terus diberantas. 5 Pelaku judi jenis bola tangkas via situs translates to Gambling continued to be combatted. 5 perpetrators of adroit gambling of the ball kind via the site the rest of the article is about the prosecution very a brief description of the game This adroit ball gambling in fact was the same as gambling of the adroit ball of Mickey Mouse of the sliver machine, only that distinguished him was the sliver machine of Mickey Mouse used switches to operational him. Whereas tangkas.net used mouse translation from Perjudian bola tangkas ini sebenarnya sama dengan perjudian mesin keping bola tangkas Mickey Mouse, cuma yang membedakannya adalah mesin keping Mickey Mouse menggunakan tombol-tombol untuk operasionalnya. Sedangkan tangkas.net menggunakan mouse by the Criminal Investigation Squad Director. This isnt what the article is about which is Indonesian style poker is a casino game using 7 cards. Putting the difference from translation aside the media articles arent about the game but about prosecutions of players, WP:N says the subject needs to have been the subject of significant independent coverage. For comparison the article Draw Poker may cover illegal aspects of the game but it not the basis for notability thats establish by books about the game. Gnangarra 04:32, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 06:29, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:23, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

• Weak keep Card game in Indonesia. Likely to have better sourcing there, and probably good to include in the encyclopedia. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:30, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
• Keep I may not speak Indonesian, but there are about 142,000 sites about it on Google, with around 55,400 in Indonesia alone. Its online version been the subject of police crackdowns according to news sources (like this one), so there is inherent notability. --Sky Harbor 04:05, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

The problem is this article is about a card game, the sources your pointing to about police crackdown are about a ball game. Gnangarra 06:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Whoops! As I said earlier, I don't speak Indonesian (I speak Tagalog, and Tagalog is nowhere near intelligibility with Indonesian, let alone Malay). Maybe Indonesian-speaking Wikipedians can help. --Sky Harbor 17:28, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, John254 14:38, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Comment. It seems to me the game probably desrves an article, but not notability is currently asserted or supported in the article other than the game has a prominent place in some Indonesian casinos. But since it is apparently just a type of video poker slot machine that isn't notable enough for an article since otherwise we'd have a hundred more articles for every video poker style available in a casino. It needs independent coverage in reliable sources that state some notability... and whatever is said in Indonesian is 100% irrelevant. It seems it won't have problems having an article in the Indonesian Misplaced Pages, but this is the English one. So deleting it would be fine by me, and it would also be okay to stub it and leaving the notability and referencing tags on it. 2005 (talk) 23:09, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

• Comment It appears that there is confusion that needs to be clarified, Draw poker translates as Ambil Poker and video poker slot machine translates as Poker video lobang mesin where as Bola tangkas translates as The adroit ball. Gnangarra 22:37, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

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