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Ways to pronounce the acronym

(Pronouncing IUPUI)

Is there a funny way to say the acronym?--BigMac1212 23:47, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the acronym (IUPUI) is pronounced by many Indy locals as 'EwwiePewie'.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Raschafe (talk • contribs) 21:20 & :35, 30 May 2006

  • I've always heard it referred to as "eww-ee-poo-ee", never heard anyone actually spell out the acronym, and I've only heard the proper name once, in explaining what that funny word referred to. I'd have thought that the pronunciation was common enough to warrant inclusion in the article. --Reverend Loki 19:05, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
    •    It is incredibly sloppy to rely on such spellings to communicate a pronunciation. I've had few occasions to hear it pronounced, but as a member of the obsessive-compulsive-American community , i'm inclined to trust my own recollection of it as 4 syllables, YEW-ee-PYEW-ee. ...Tho i draw your attention to the (BTW not-necessarily-relevant) fact that YEW-ee-POO-ee would be more suitable in terms of phonetic pronunciation, since it doesn't stand for an acronym (for some other name) initial-ized as IUPIUI).
      --Jerzy•t 21:24, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
  • In a significant change, the acronym is now referred to as I-Up-You-One. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.166.6.153 (talk) 00:27, 29 July 2006
    • ...or so called by at least one person whose attention to verifiability is so casual that they use an IP address and don't bother even to sign with even three tilde-characters. That talk contrib should be considered further -- whenever better evidence of such a "significant change" emerges.
      --Jerzy•t 21:24, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Phonetics

Is there a way to phonetically say the "IUPUI" acronym in 4-syllabils? I thought the school had a way of saying IUPUI. --BigMac1212 (talk) 03:22, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

I've heard something like "ooh e pooh e" once or twice but I've never heard that from anyone affiliated or familiar with the university. It's almost universally just spelled out. ElKevbo (talk) 04:50, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
   The two spatially preceding and chronologically earlier contributions were made nearly a decade after the topic was first raised here, and consolidated with them (by relocation) into a new enclosing section. Perhaps the contributors will clarify whether, and if so, how, their take is changed by learning of the earlier discussion, which for a long lack of its own section-heading would have been hard for them to spot.
--Jerzy•t 22:07, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

First sentence

  • "IUPUI is the urban research university campus of Indiana University located in Indianapolis, Indiana." I don't understand exactly what this sentence means. Is there something called "urban research" that goes on there? If not, I think it is just too wordy. Would "IUPUI is the research campus of Indiana University located in Indianapolis, Indiana" be accurate? Recury 20:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
    • No, the second sentence would not be accurate given that Indiana University (Bloomington) is also a research university. You cannot simply say "IUPUI is the research campus of Indiana University". Given that IUPUI is located in downtown Indianapolis, i think "urban research university" is fitting.
      — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.223.128.220 (talk) 19:17, 17 March 2007
    • Additionally, much IUPUI research tends to focus on urban issues. Examples include the POLIS Center, the School of Education's focus on urban education, Public & Environmental Affairs (several urban research projects), etc.
    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.236.0.205 (talk) 04:00, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
    •    Could someone with enuf interest check whether these insights are reflected on the accompanying article page, and whether each of the possible senses (urban modifying "research U" or even "campus", and "urban research" modifying U) is verified with reliable sources?
      --Jerzy•t 22:07, 14 June 2016 (UTC)


(Two swimming-pool related discussions)

(Created in response to the second one having been placed, out of chronological order, just after the first.)
--Jerzy•t 03:29, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Fast swimming pool?

The campus is the home of the Indiana University Natatorium, one of the fastest swimming pools in the world and `Michael A. Carroll Stadium, home of the 2006 & 2007 USA Track & Field Championships.

How can a swimming pool be fast? JBFrenchhorn (talk) 07:26, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

   I'm not a swimmer, silly rabbit, so check out fast track on wikt; i'd bet you'll get it too.
--Jerzy•t 00:58, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Pool

wiki for pool- http://en.wikipedia.org/Indiana_University_Natatorium — Preceding unsigned comment added by CWgirl08 (talk • contribs) 02:13, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

This website has some interesting info about the roof design. I have no idea how to work this into article copyright wise. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:epthyDQYri8J:www.tnemec.com/project/view/%3Fj%3D382+iupui+natatorium+design&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com CWgirl08 (talk) 02:20, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

NCAA Championships http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:5hxGwfJUs2cJ:theswimmerscircle.com/blog/swim-news/famed-iupui-pool-to-host-bevy-of-ncaa-championships/+iupui+natatorium+pool&cd=39&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com CWgirl08 (talk) 02:44, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

In looking through the list of alumni

I see Trischa Zorn, Law 2005, but on her page all it says about her university career is, "Zorn studied at the University of Nebraska, and, as of 2001, "teaches third and fourth graders with special needs in Indianapolis". Perhaps someone who actually knows (i.e., not me) can update her page. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 14:27, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

   This G-search for "Trischa Zorn, Law 2005" (where the quotes were included in the query) produces 5 hits:
  1. liquisearch names "Misplaced Pages Alumni (i.e. our article) as source
  2. Pr. G-berg credits "World Heritage Encyclopedia Edition" via a thumbnail and bottom of the page text
  3. World Heritage Encyclopedia includes boilerplate that includes WP among its sources
  4. Wikiwand duplicates the text of this talk page, including at least 1 contrib i added in the last few hours]
  5. "Wikipeetia, the misspelled encyclopedia" lives up to its slogan by misspelling about 90% of our text, including of course "teh".
   Someone (even more obsessive/compulsive than i) may want to do a WikiBlame search in pursuit of greater clarity about when it disappeared, or examine our colleague Carptrash's contribs against the possibility that they did something about it themself. When you know when it disappeared, Wikiblame will probably be less frustrating as a tool for determining when it first appeared, which may be helpful in understanding, or at least in further investigation for a source or explanation.
--Jerzy•t 03:12, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 5 October 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved - consensus to move to Indiana University–Purdue University Indianapolis with unspaced endash. (non-admin closure) --IWI (talk) 16:25, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


Indiana University – Purdue University Indianapolis → Indiana University–Purdue University Indianapolis – Official guide explicitly says en dashes should not have spaces on either side. MOS:ENDASH also only prescribes spaces "when used as sentence punctuation", of which this is not a case. MOS:ENBETWEEN would also apply stating "Generally, use a hyphen in compounded proper names of single entities.", but would be contrary to official use. 17jiangz1 (talk) 17:31, 5 October 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. OhKayeSierra (talk) 21:29, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

I think I would vote for an en dash over a hyphen. My confusion may just be my own. —BarrelProof (talk) 01:04, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

checkY Done. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:18, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

"Ooey pooey" pronunciation in lede

The lede currently includes a brief aside that the name of this institution is "colloquially known as 'Ooey-Pooey'" which is supported by two references: These references are both over 19 years old and only mention this pronunciation in passing. This is insufficient to support including this information in the article, much less including it in the lede sentence. ElKevbo (talk) 13:06, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I can't support removing it outright when the sources are so strong (if a little old), but I agree that the inclusion in the lead sentence may out size the usage in real life in modern times. IUPUI has joked on their twitter about the name and insist it is "I-U-P-U-I", and I know most people in Indiana (where I live) pronounce it that way, but ooey-pooey is still in use and a quick Google search shows plenty of people continuing to use it, often as a bit of a joke. Perhaps we can remove the current "colloquially known as..." and add in a sentence after the first saying: "The name is officially pronounced as individual letters and sometimes colloquially called "ooey-pooey"."--Cerebral726 (talk) 13:46, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Two 18-year old sources that barely mention this are far from "strong." ElKevbo (talk) 23:55, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
I disagree that they barely mention the name and I was referring to the fact it was the NYT and the Chicago Tribune, not some random website.--Cerebral726 (talk) 12:37, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
If there are not any sources that contradict those sources, then I do not see why they should be removed. Misplaced Pages routinely uses sources 19 years old or older, in fact Misplaced Pages routinely uses sources that can be several hundred years old. In particular, we are talking about two high-quality newspapers, one of which uses the moniker 'Ooey-Pooey' in the title of the article. I do not see any issue with the current lede. @ElKevbo Have you encountered any sources that claim that the 'Ooey-Pooey' pronunciation has since been discontinued? If not, we revert to the latest RS, in this case these two articles. Eccekevin (talk) 02:11, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
It's disingenuous to demand that anyone prove a negative; that, of course, cannot be done.
Please explain why information that is only briefly mentioned in two 19-year old source merits inclusion in the lede. How is this the most critical information that readers must know immediately? ElKevbo (talk) 02:17, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Including pronunciations is standard practice in the lead, so I concur with Cerebral and Eccekevin here. However, we could improve how it's done. I'd suggest as one possibility that avoids undue weight we add an explanatory footnote after the acronym that explains it's sometimes pronounced "ooey pooey" (with {{IPAc-en}} and perhaps even an audio file) and sometimes "I-U-P-U-I". {{u|Sdkb}}  03:57, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
It's ridiculous to include information in the lede sentence - information that isn't discussed or used anywhere in the body of the article - based only on passing references in a few light weight articles that are nearly two decades old. This is a glaring violation of WP:DUE.
It's also dishonest to make a claim about contemporary practice only citing information that is quite old. ElKevbo (talk) 04:05, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
I like Sdkb's idea of a footnote, which seems to also address ElKevbo's undue concerns. It should definitely state that I-U-P-U-I is the preferred pronunciation, and then use the NYT/Washington Post sources to state that it has been called ooey-pooey, without claiming how contemporary or common it is. --Cerebral726 (talk) 12:46, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
I also like Sdkb's idea of a footnote. (For ElKevbo concerns: there is no Misplaced Pages Policy that says that a 19 year old source cannot be used. A more recent one might supersede it, but seemingly we do not have one. Secondly, the position in the lede is warranted by MOS:LEADPRON, and is commonly done as pointed out by Sdkb). Given MOS:LEADPRON, and the fact that these are the most recent RS on the matter, the lede is fine as is, also I am also ok with changing it to a footnote. Finally, there are more recent sources, albeit in less reliable sources than the NYT or CT, like this one from 2022 and others. Eccekevin (talk) 02:37, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Okay, I'm on board with clarifying the typical pronunciation is the I-U-P-U-I version and making sure it stays in the lede per MOS:LEADPRON. I believe the footnote should read "Typically said with the letters pronounced separately, the university is also sometimes phonetically pronounced "ooey-pooey" .<refs>" Thoughts?--Cerebral726 (talk) 23:35, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

@ElKevbo:, your template warning stating I am engaged in an edit war seem unnecessary and unhelpful. The clear WP:STATUSQUO right now is including the colloquial pronunciation, and the current consensus in this discussion is clearly leaning towards continuing to include it. Maintaining that status quo is far from edit warring. --Cerebral726 (talk) 23:40, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

"I'm right" is not an exception to WP:EW. I strongly encourage you to review WP:OWN. ElKevbo (talk) 23:44, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

I didn't say I was reverting it because I am right it is better, I am reverting it because it is the status quo. Do you disagree that including the pronunciation qualifies as the WP:STATUSQUO? --Cerebral726 (talk) 23:59, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
No, not in this instance. That's abundantly clear from the discussion above. ElKevbo (talk) 00:02, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
I'm not really sure what aspect of WP:DUE you think affects status quo, which regards the pre-existing state of the article (in this case it was up since at least January). Regardless, consensus (I believe) seems to be in favor of it's inclusion given the sources and MOS:LEADPRON, so this conversation seem relatively moot. I will continue to leave the article as it stands until the above discussion is complete, as I suggest you do as well. --Cerebral726 (talk) 00:31, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
@ElKevbo: please be mindful of WP:CIVIL. I am assuming good faith, but you have been a bit uncivil so far, throwing around terms like "ridiculous" and "dishonest" at other's user's suggestions. You have accused editors of WP:OWN without proof (especially since you are the only one who disagrees out of 4 users). So far, you have three editors politely disagreeing with your interpretation of WP:DUE and WP:LEADPRON. Please don't engage in personal attacks, no need. 04:46, 3 May 2022 (UTC)Eccekevin (talk)

References

  1. Conklin, Mike (17 March 2003). "Ooey-pooey: Tourney team with image issue". Chicago Tribune. Chicago Tribune. Retrieved 16 Jan 2022.
  2. Picker, David (19 March 2003). "COLLEGE BASKETBALL; Big Question Answered: Just What Is I.U.P.U.I.?". The New York Times. Retrieved 16 Jan 2022.
  3. "College Basketball Bet Of The Day: The Last Stand". Off Tackle Empire. 10 February 2022.
  4. "A Tale of Two Accreditors | Inside Higher Ed". www.insidehighered.com.
  5. "Seen and heard at the Arizona-Gonzaga game". Arizona Daily Star. Retrieved 1 May 2022.
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