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Notability and References

I've been following this page. I think that it is notable, and there are sufficient references. I've just added another about a debate at Church of England General Synod. Hayton seems to cause controversy in publishing, at the TUC, and in the church. Dskjt (talk) 02:27, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I now suggest removing the tag about notability and insufficient references. If anyone disagrees, could you add a comment in the next seven days. Dskjt (talk) 20:09, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Original author banned and possible deletion

Please note that I have taken a speedy deletion tag off this article. The proposed reason was WP:G5 which I don't think applies as other editors have done significant work on this. If there is another argument for deletion then probably that can best be advanced by using the WP:AfD process. I have also done the same to Transgender Trend for the same reasons.

Assuming the article is to be kept, I would advise people to be somewhat cautious of its contents given that its original creator is blocked and has had multiple sockpuppets blocked. That said, nothing in the way the article is written strikes me as obviously egregious on a quick reading. --DanielRigal (talk) 12:51, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

@DanielRigal: That's fair enough. I would just like to mention that Dskjt (who has edited this article, and has kindly uploaded an image of Hayton as their own work on Wikimedia Commons) is most likely personally linked to the subject of this article, and may be Debbie herself. The user has disclosed on their Commons profile that they are a physics teacher based in Birmingham, just like the subject of this article. This is also disclosed on their Misplaced Pages account.

That being said, I agree there is nothing egregiously wrong with this article as it is currently written. --QueenofBithynia (talk) 13:06, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Removal of content

Just wanted to expand upon the justification for the removal of content I've done this evening.

• Removal of journalist in lead - This was unsupported in the body. The articles accessible through the list of publications in which Hayton has written in are all opinion pieces. There was no secondary coverage calling Hayton a journalist, and I'm unable to find any.
• Removal of paragraph on publications - Fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE. All citations within the first sentence of the paragraph were either to Hayton's profile on those websites, or a single opinion piece she has written in them. Culturico seems to be a non-notable opinion/blog site with little to no secondary coverage. Appearances on BBC, Sky News, and GB News as a talking head seem undue and don't demonstrate notability. The interview from National Review is used elsewhere in the article as a citation, from which it is self evident that it was an interview.
• Removal of sentence on controversial BBC article - Hayton was one of several people whose commentary was used in that article, there is nothing in it that demonstrates Hayton's commentary being any more notable than any of the other comments.
• Trim of external links - I removed the links to IMDB, Hayton's profile at The Spectator, and Hayton's profile at UnHerd. In addition to the guidelines mentioned in the edit history I removed IMDB because Hayton isn't notable as an actor/producer/director, and I removed the Spectator and UnHerd links per WP:INDISCRIMINATE.
• Removal of TES "feature" piece - After a request at WP:REREQ, the full text of this article appears on Hayton's website. The opinion piece makes a contentious claim about school guidance, and Hayton is not demonstrated to be a subject matter expert on this topic. Additionally neither of the subsequent citations; to Transgender Trend's website, and the 2021 EHRC technical schools guidance mention Hayton. Nor does the EHRC guidance mention Transgender Trend's pack. I think the second and third citation may have been a poor attempt at WP:SYNTH to support the rest of the text. The remaining citations cover criticism of Transgender Trend's guidance, so fails WP:COATRACK and are meaningless in absence of the rest of the text.

Even if these are reverted later, which I would challenge per WP:BLPRESTORE, I have significant concerns over notability. Hayton seems to fail WP:SIGCOV as there are few reliable secondary sources about her, and those that do exist demonstrate controversy more than notability. She also seems to fail WP:NPEOPLE, as no biographies of her exist (WP:ANYBIO), and she does not appear to meet any of the four criteria of WP:AUTHOR. Were it not for the criticism of her actions and words, I would suspect she failed WP:BIO1E, however I am concerned that the only secondary coverage of Hayton is critical as this puts this very close to an WP:ATTACK bio. Sideswipe9th (talk) 22:49, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

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