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All four hemispheres?

"Kiribati is the only country in the world to be situated in all four hemispheres."

This is demonstrably false as France has overseas departments (think U.S. states), counties (French Polynesia), and New Caledonia (a collectivity) in all four. 99.74.177.187 (talk) 01:35, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Good point. I'll relax the wording. Getsnoopy (talk) 18:02, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

good wording but saying that France spreads all over the world is not very significant…-Arorae (talk) 18:17, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Another person removed this claim again, and User:Ohnoitsjamie restored it with a different source from the one cited previously to support it. Unfortunately, it's one of those oblivous things that one can find in generally reliable sources that is obviously false to anybody who knows a few other things readily corroborated by reliable sources, such as the fact that metropolitan France is in the Northern and Eastern Hemispheres, Martinque and Guadeloupe and French Guiana are in the Northern and Western Hemispheres, and Réunion and Mayotte are in the Southern and Eastern Hemispheres. Understanding that this information from reliable sources falsifies the claim about Kiribati is no more impermissible synthesis than WP:OR says simple arithmetic is.

If somebody is determined enough to have the fact stick, they could probably change it to read "all four principal quadrants" as long as we think readers will understand this to refer to the four intersections of pairs of the major hemispheres. None of France is in the southwestern quadrant,—as long as we exclude unincorporated territories such as French Polynesia. Largoplazo (talk) 02:04, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

'All four cardinal quadrants' is just fine as is. It is an academic nicety to consider French Polynesia as France even if the area is a collection of semi-autonomous overseas territories, the concept is too subtle for most readers and a stretch for the rest. Even the main France page does not claim that the pays d'outre-mer constitute an integral part of the country of France itself. If we do include the French pays d'outre-mer as part of France then we will also have to include the British Overseas Territories (BOTs) or UKOTs, which also occupy all four quadrants. Maybe there are even other countries. We will also be compelled to add the same observation to Wallace and Fortuna, New Caledonia and the other administrative areas. None of this seems desirable. E x nihil 12:49, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

"All four cardinal quadrants" is not as it is. The problem is it says all four cardinal hemispheres, which is false, albeit invalidly asserted in what are probably generally reliable sources. Largoplazo (talk) 16:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Quite right Largoplazo, 'all four cardinal hemispheres', as is, is good, unique, and referenced, don't know where quadrants came into my head. E x nihil 12:31, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Whereby you've completely ignored everything I wrote about why the current text is problematic and Kiribati is not unique in this regard. Unless you want to press the argument that French Guiana and Mayotte are figments of everybody's imagination and appear nowhere in reliable sources. Largoplazo (talk) 12:46, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Largoplazo, I did actually address your text in me previous, have a reread. The main points being: the nation of France is not generally understood to extend to its overseas administrative areas; if it were to then one would have to include the UK & possibly others; it's not what the citations say. E x nihil

"... is not generally understood": Is it your position that lack of knowledge supersedes reality for purposes of Misplaced Pages? These places are all integral parts of France, just as much as Alaska and Hawaii are integral parts of the United States. They are not "overseas administrative areas" like French Polynesia and Saint Pierre et Miquelon, or comparable to Guam or American Samoa, they are full departments, just as much so as Calvados, Morbihan, and Vosges. You will readily find citations that tell you this as you will find citations telling you that Hawaii is a full state of the United States despite lying way out in the Pacific Ocean, so stop telling us that citations don't say so. Largoplazo (talk) 13:23, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

The other side of this coin is that mentioning this topic at all in the article is to give it WP:UNDUE weight. The concept of "cardinal hemisphere" is of so little interest that when I Googled "cardinal hemisphere", I received only 17 hits—in which almost none of the references to it have anything to do with the hemispheres that we're talking about here. That points to the preferability of removing the remark from the article altogether as inconsequential trivia. Largoplazo (talk) 13:35, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

That is probably the main point here, the hemisphere thing is WP:trivia without much impact on the actual country. (As opposed to say the date line which has moved from trivia to having an impact on tourism.) CMD (talk) 17:38, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm not going to object if it's removed again. OhNoitsJamie 17:55, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

NHS Physicians Post-Independence

This is only a minor point but it may be of some interest for the Health section. After Independence (1979), at least through the early 80s, UK physicians (and their families) were posted on the major islands. I don't know when the postings ended. Perhaps someone with better access to NHS history/archives could add a line and cite or efn. Zatsugaku (talk) 22:18, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Lengthy Christian denominations list in the infobox

@Arorae: has added a lengthy list of Christian denominations in the infobox which were previously included in the "Other Christian" category. It's a burden on the lead and the relevant religion section of the article is the better place for elaborating the denominational breakdown from my perspective. RegardsNeplota (talk) 14:01, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

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