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24 February 2007

The Who in popular culture

The Who in popular culture (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore|AfD)

As background, there has been a "drive" lately by a number of users to delete "in popular culture" articles. For example the nominator Otto4711 has nominated 24 articles in the past 2 days and dozens more over the past few weeks, along with a few other users. The arguments are mostly the same, citing WP:NOT. However WP:NOT says nothing specific about "in popular culture" articles, the nominator did not clearly establish this article is in violation of WP:NOT, nor did any of the other delete votes - it is an opinion without supporting rationale. In fact three of the four delete votes said delete it simply because it is a "in popular culture" article! Deleting the "in popular culture" articles has been controversial and it's been about 50/50 depending on who happens to vote and the quality of the article if it survives or not. Controversy can be seen in the discussions of each AfD, and This discussion. Misplaced Pages has a long and clear tradition of "in popular culture" articles and there are not clear rules against it. The only argument with strength in this AfD is that the article had some cleanup issues and was not of the best quality, but those are content level issues and have nothing to do with the articles existence. Stbalbach 13:57, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

• Endorse deletion — this article is in the same boat as Rush in popular culture, which was deleted with overwhelming consensus. I feel that overall, consensus is to delete these types of articles. — Deckiller 14:07, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Neverball

Neverball (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore|AfD)

• The game is pretty well known in open source circles, see for example http://happypenguin.org/show?Neverball which has almost 200 comments for Neverball;
• It's included in almost all linux distros; —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paxed (talk • contribs) 12:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC).
• There is an active community for it at www.nevercorner.net;
• Several other open source games have just as "bad" articles on wikipedia, if Neverball article is deleted, then those should be deleted too (see http://en.wikipedia.org/Frozen_Bubble and http://en.wikipedia.org/GLTron for example, I can list more with a bit of searching, if needed...) --Paxed 12:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

• Relist -- the article might not have been the most well written article on Misplaced Pages, but it appears the editor who deleted the article didn't take the tiniest bit of time to investigate the matter. A simple search on Google shows that speedy deletion is clearly unacceptable in this case. -- parasti  14:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

YouThink.com

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I-Am-Bored.com, a less significant site was not deleted. either I-Am-Bored should be deleted or both should be merged onto Youthink.com.Electricbassguy 04:52, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

• Endorse deletion. Inclusion is not an indicator of notability. Also, the other article mentioned should disappear in a short while or five days. MER-C 06:49, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
• Comment Someone already removed Speedy and Prod on the other article. People seem to be defending it do to the no consensus. I think it's only fair if that is kept, Youthink and IAB should share one article, preferably YouThink.com. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Electricbassguy (talk • contribs) 09:49, 24 February 2007 (UTC).
• Endorse valid AfD. To show notability you have to have non-trivial 3rd party sources. None have been produced. I-Am-Bored currently has two links to 3rd party reviews. Note that being cool, interesting, useful, or even popular are not reasons for keeping an article on wikipedia if the subject is not encyclopedically notable. Eluchil404 10:15, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
• Comment I-am-bored is actually Youthink, however. the whole site is a copy of the "Links" from Youthink.com. Also, I could find 3rd party reviews of YouThink as well. There are several online. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Electricbassguy (talk • contribs) 10:56, 24 February 2007 (UTC).

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Hamilton Stands

My article on the Hamilton Stands company was deleted under WP:A7 (non-notability) by Centrx, despite the fact that Bob Dylan and The Monkees notably used their products, as mentioned in the article, and a link to the company's Web page was included. I have spoken with Centrx, who insists that "reliable third-party sources, such as books and magazines, that cover the company as their main subject", be cited before he will restore the article. I find this ridiculous; by the same token, the Misplaced Pages articles on such companies as Ernie Ball and Dunlop Manufacturing should also have been deleted, since they do not cite such sources. Dylan biographies have included photos of Dylan with a Hamilton capo (if you've ever seen one, you can spot them a mile away) on his guitar, and Rhino Records liner notes to Monkees albums mention Hamilton Stands... as was noted in the article. I do not have the time to dig through media in an attempt to find an outside article or story about the company, and should not have to; the foregoing mentions ought to be quite enough to assert the company's notability. (A Web search for "Hamilton Stands" also turns up scads of listings of their products for sale.) Zephyrad 08:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

• Endorse simply being used by a notable professional or being sold over the internet does not confer notability. See also WP:INN it is quite likely that there are articles on wikipedia on companies even less notable than this one, but that doesn't mean they won't be held to the same high standards just that they haven't been yet. Eluchil404 10:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Will this work, as an article asserting notability? Bill Carpenter acquires Hamilton Stands This article states that Hamilton originated the folding music stand. I'd call that notable. Zephyrad 11:13, 24 February 2007 (UTC)