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Section size for RT (TV network) (50 sections)
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(Top)	55,351	55,351
History	13	60,725
Foundation	6,616	6,616
Development and expansion	9,839	9,839
2012–2021	22,515	22,515
2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine	20,750	20,750
2023–present	992	992
Organization	6,437	44,457
Budget	6,978	6,978
Network	12,836	12,836
Ratings/impact	15,085	18,206
Followers	473	473
Impact	2,648	2,648
Programming	2,443	16,337
The Alyona Show	2,173	2,173
Adam vs. the Man	2,009	2,009
World Tomorrow	1,596	1,596
Other shows	1,372	1,372
#1917LIVE	1,373	1,373
Programs	610	3,703
Current	1,343	1,343
Former	1,750	1,750
On-air staff	1,668	1,668
Guests	9,042	9,042
Content	3,138	48,134
Propaganda and related issues	21,079	21,079
Disinformation and conspiracy theories	13,285	13,285
Treatment of Putin and Medvedev	1,583	1,583
Anti-Americanism and anti-Westernism	5,121	5,121
Israeli–Palestinian conflict	1,473	1,473
Climate change denial	1,337	1,337
COVID-19 misinformation	1,118	1,118
Responses	16	64,422
States	16,491	16,491
Political involvement	5,265	5,265
Other responses	24	42,650
2008–2012	5,790	5,790
2014	10,599	10,599
2015–2016	11,303	11,303
2017–2018	5,051	5,051
2021	1,480	1,480
2022	5,918	5,918
2024	2,485	2,485
Awards and nominations	4,662	4,662
See also	281	281
Explanatory notes	197	197
References	17	76
Notes	28	28
Citations	31	31
External links	1,769	1,769
Total	305,453	305,453

'censorship'

Russia censors all its media. Russia uses the RT as a tool of his war in Ukraine (as far the only Russian war). No w we have ban of war hate propaganda 'censorship'.Xx236 (talk) 05:52, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

If you do not understand - ask instead to censor me.

Usage of the word 'censorship' in this context is a pro-Russian statement, a neutral word should be used. This is not a computer game, this a genocidal war, in which any military, propaganda, economic tool is being used by Russia. Russia is the invider.Xx236 (talk) 09:38, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Anther joke 'an autonomous non-profit organization' under Putin's rules. Russia is not the UK, please do not misuse Western words descibing the authoritarian state. Xx236 (talk) 09:42, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

'after Russia's annexation of Crimea' - the referenced sourse says also about Donbas, not only about Crimea.Xx236 (talk) 09:49, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

TFD above "Your sources in fact explain why RT fulfils a propaganda function". The function has been changing, so 'fulfils' misleads. 'Why' is obvious, becasue the Russian leadership (sometimes callled Putin) has decided so. Xx236 (talk) 09:55, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Recent opinions presented by Margarita Simonyan are genocidal ("Russian media chief welcomes prospect of global FAMINE" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10940035/Russian-media-chief-welcomes-prospect-global-FAMINE-sparked-Ukraine-invasion.html). Xx236 (talk) 10:01, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Propaganda

There is an edit war regarding 'propaganda'. As far as I know the goal of RT is not propaganda of Russia as a successful land (there is such a recent video), but anarchization of the West, hybrid warfare. So perhaps not propaganda, but 'Hybrid warfare (Political warfare and individual terror)? Or Political warfare only?Xx236 (talk) 06:57, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

https://www.state.gov/report-rt-and-sputniks-role-in-russias-disinformation-and-propaganda-ecosystem/ Disinformation and propaganda Xx236 (talk) 08:01, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

https://newrepublic.com/article/165813/russian-propaganda-rt-america-end Xx236 (talk) 08:11, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps i dont understand how the Wiki works, but having read the whole article i found a lot of acusations. Many by people of dubious relevance - the director of some obscure series? what does he know of this? Credentials? Another: ONE blogger?

Then, right next, lots of data disprobing those acusations. ( Amount of viewers and record views, for example )

And lastly, i could not find any example of straight out lies or misrepresentation of news in the whole page. Just praise for showing independent views.

So the Wiki paints the Outlet as a propaganda machine, but never shows the data. What is worse, the hard data it shows demostrates the reliability of the Outlet on those topics.

What is going on? 2803:9800:9996:74EC:4D:234C:82C2:8B39 (talk) 03:10, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

The propaganda descriptor is supported by sixteen citations to reliable sources, authored by 22 people, none of whom are "bloggers". "Amount of viewers and record views" are irrelevant when determining whether something is propaganda or not. Kleinpecan (talk) 08:24, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Using just the first of those citations as example, its a Times article saying that a disaster documentary was made by a Russian company. With interviews and points of view of local people, not russians. Propaganda? ok i guess.

Go to Section GUESTS, there you have your blogger and obscure director sharing their thoughts. And not as Guests.

Nevertheless im not speaking of obscure sources or political labels, but the plain text of the article using the Ratings/impact section as an example. Ok, i ll show it right here. The section starts thus :

"The RT website (as of March 2022), maintains that "since June 2012", RT has "consistently and significantly outperforms other foreign channels including Euronews and Fox News. RT’s quarterly audience in the UK is 2.5 million viewers"

Next are 10 lines of multiple falsehood accusations challenging that. Then it closes with :

" In the UK, the Broadcasters' Audience Research Board (BARB) has included RT in the viewer data it publishes since 2012. According to their data, approximately 2.5 million Britons watched RT during the third quarter of 2012, making it the third most-watched rolling news channel in Britain, behind BBC News and Sky News (not including Sky Sports News). "

Followed by another 7 lines finally the veracity of the opening RT Web statement and other positive observations.

This " format " is repeated over the whole place. Wich of the sources do i trust? All of them are supposedly reliable, but they contradict each other.

Re-read the article and everyone will find these inconsistencies all over the place. 2803:9800:9996:74EC:8460:E476:B944:63CA (talk) 23:09, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

The first of the 16 citations for the propaganda descriptor is:

Langdon, Kate C.; Tismaneanu, Vladimir (9 July 2019). "Russian Foreign Policy: Freedom for Whom, to Do What?". Putin's Totalitarian Democracy: Ideology, Myth, and Violence in the Twenty-First Century. Springer International. pp. 189–224. ISBN 978-3-030-20579-9. Retrieved 21 March 2021 – via Google Books. Soviet-born British journalist Peter Pomerantsev documented the typical newsroom antics in one of Russia's largest propaganda outlets, RT News (formerly known as Russia Today). When his acquaintance composed a piece that referenced the Soviet Union's occupation of Estonia in 1945, the writer was chewed out by his boss, who maintained the belief that Russians saved Estonia. Any other descriptions of the events of 1945 were unacceptable assaults on Russia's integrity, apparently, so the boss demanded that he amend his text.

The citation from The Times that you are referring to is the first citation in the Misplaced Pages article, and is not one of the 16 citations for the propaganda descriptor. — Newslinger talk 10:54, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Crosstalk

Did RT cancel Crosstalk? 73.230.160.102 (talk) 13:36, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

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