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Military spouse

I reverted this mention as there is no source provided that being a "former military spouse" is particularly notable in the context of her appointment to SCOTUS. (Her husband was a reservist and was called up for what appears to be at most 2 years of service very early in their marriage.) A related discussion is at Talk:Sandra_Day_O'Connor#Military_spouse. --ZimZalaBim 13:57, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Incorrect. As the Supreme Court Historical Society has stated, veterans are important in the Supreme Court because military service "provides a special perspectiveon the intersecting powers of the federal government," and "Justices who have served in the armed forces prior to serving on the Court have additional practical experience in how those powers function.” Again, you have not proven how that is not significant or unique, as is your burden.

Indeed, the Supreme Court itself tracks how many of its members have served in the military.

Further, at least one peer-reviewed academic article has discussed how military service impacts the Supreme Court justice's perspectives while on the Court. See, e.g., Diane Marie Amann, John Paul Stevens, Human Rights Judge, 74 Fordham L. Rev. 1569, 1599 (2006). Specifically with reference to their thoughts on capital punishment. Another article discussed "how military service may have influenced Justice Stevens's decision-making process." Eugene R. Fidell, Justice John Paul Stevens and Judicial Deference in Military Matters, 43 U.C. Davis L. Rev. 999, 1010 (2010). There is no shortage of decades of articles discussing the impact of military service on Supreme Court justices.

And one legal blogs specifically mentions Ginsburg's service as relevant.

Those who has brought up this topic has a personal distaste for military service members and has been trying to erase the military from multiple wiki pages. For example, 1, 2, 3. AnubisIbizu (talk) 15:22, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

The Supreme Court Historical Society is not a reliable source, and one legal blog mentioning it does not establish WP:WEIGHT. Your comment assuming others have a personal distaste for military service members is WP:UNCIVIL – Muboshgu (talk) 15:29, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

But you are not adding information about military service. You are adding information about military service (sometimes limited service) by spouses. The information about number of sitting justices who are veterans is probably relevant (though the drop in veterans compared to the 1950s should be considered against the background of the end of the draft and the switch to an all-volunteer army). But generally going out of the way to discuss family members' experience is not relevant. We don't add the fact that Gorsuch's mother was EPA administrator when discussing justices' Executive branch experience, for example. Adding that Ginsburg's husband was briefly in the military is rather strained. Magidin (talk) 16:23, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Keep. I see the statistic as historically significant. Seems like only two people in the world were military spouses and sat on SCOTUS. The jurisprudential effect adds some inferential significance but the point is the uniqueness of the fact, which is obviously noteworthy. Separately, many articles discuss how being a military spouse is just as good as being in the military, and we know they affect thinking. So there is added effect. This is unique, noteworthy, and important. The EPA administrator point is a gaslight, as that employment does not confer a protected status or identity (which veteran and military spouse both are under federal U.S. law, like race, age, disability, etc.). Traynreck (talk) 19:06, 10 October 2022 (UTC) — Traynreck (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Striking edit made by a sockpuppet. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:04, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

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