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Section size for Xinjiang internment camps (32 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	24,251	24,251
Background	77	39,069
Xinjiang conflict	15,800	15,800
Strategic motivations	7,734	7,734
Policies from 2009 to 2016	11,102	15,458
Antireligious campaigns	2,787	2,787
Groups that are targeted for surveillance	1,569	1,569
History	11,247	23,891
Leaks and hacks	22	12,644
The New York Times leak	4,674	4,674
ICIJ leak	3,647	3,647
Xinjiang Police Files hack	4,301	4,301
Camp facilities	5,632	19,496
Boarding schools for the children of detainees	5,140	5,140
Locations	8,724	8,724
Camp detainees	22,204	59,687
Testimonies about treatment	24,620	24,620
Forced labor	11,327	11,327
Notable detainees	1,536	1,536
Responses from China	16,442	16,442
International reactions	734	97,585
Reactions at the UN	18,377	18,377
Reactions by international organizations	49	18,945
Governmental organizations	14,936	14,936
Human rights organisations	3,960	3,960
Reactions by countries	56,347	56,347
Response from dissidents	1,366	3,182
International Criminal Court's complaint	1,816	1,816
See also	1,230	1,230
Notes	26	26
References	1,545	1,545
External links	1,718	1,718
Total	284,940	284,940

These camps were closed in October 2019

These so-called “camps” or “vocational training centers” were closed in October 2019.

CGTN is not a WP:RS (see WP:RSPSS) and is the only source you give that actually backs the claim. The other sources can only very vaguely point towards the claim you make, their use for this statement consists WP:SYN. Doanri (talk) 08:56, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

References

"新疆自治区主席、乌鲁木齐市委书记等在京答记者问" (in Chinese). 新京报客户端. 10 December 2019., “Chinese: 目前（2019年10月），参加“三学一去”的教培学员已全部结业，在政府帮助下实现了稳定就业，改善了生活质量，过上了幸福生活。”
"视频：CGTN记者探访新疆教培中心带你走近真相" (in Chinese). 手机新浪网. 30 December 2019., this video said “abandoned re-education center”
"我大使答瑞媒17问：目前新疆没有一所教培中心" (in Chinese). 观察者网. 24 March 2021., “Chinese: 截至2019年10月，教培中心学员已经全部毕业。目前，新疆没有一所教培中心。过去四年多来新疆也未再发生一起暴恐事件。这一切都显示出，我们在新疆的政策是正确的。”
"CGTN Exclusive: A tour of a closed 're-education camp' in Xinjiang". CGTN. 30 December 2019., “All trainees have graduated from the vocational education and training centers in northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, according to the region's chairman Shohrat Zakir earlier this month.”

No evidence and no research

There has been given little evidence to these made up places. The only evidence comes from adrian zenz who only asked 8 people if 1 million people were detaines in these made up places. How do you get 1 million from only 8 people. The Chinese government white paper also never said 1 million people were detained. And those satellite images are also very vague. You show a satellite image of a building and automatically call it a camp? Some of those satellite images labeled a children's kindergarten and a apartment complex as a concentration camp. Why do they talk about boarding schools as if they only exist in Xinjiang? Do they not know millions of migrant workers children in East China also have to go to boarding schools because they are left unattended at whome when there patents go to work in the city? And do they only think that the vocational schools only exist in Xinjiang too? Chinese from every part of the country have to go to these schools if they can not pass the Gaokao exam or they can not attend higher education. And those vocational schools also have gates and dormitories and they also have to stay there for months so they can learn skills and work in skilled jobs. 97.124.206.4 (talk) 19:16, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Would you mind providing sources to back up your claims? This sounds like denialism to me. X-Editor (talk) 04:48, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Not Zenz but "Chinese Human Right Defenders" did use only 8 people to estimate a number of detainees:

The following table presents the data we have compiled based on interviews with eight ethnic Uyghurs. Their families reside in eight different villages in counties in the Kashgar Prefecture. According to the interviewees, each village has a population of between roughly 1,500 and 3,000, and the number of individuals taken into re-education detention camps from each village ranged from approximately 200 to 500 between mid-2017 to mid-2018.

AAAAA143222 (talk) 22:22, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

This site goes into detail into the flimsy "evidence" the press is using to treat these "concentration camps" as facts:

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/china-detaining-millions-uyghurs-problems-claims-us-ngo-researcher/

There's also this reddit thread, where the user has compiled a number of inconsistencies:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/hzphui/every_uyghur_allegation_debunked_as_of_2020_july/

I find it fairly upsetting that both this, and the "Uyghur genocide" pages read as if both things are facts beyond any reasonable doubt - when you apply some scrutiny, that is clearly not the case 2804:14C:CA25:8625:8C01:DC72:730D:3049 (talk) 03:43, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

The Gray Zone is not considered a reliable source per WP:RSP, and any web forum like reddit is not considered reliable. /r/sino, especially, is no where close to being reliable. At this rate you may as well have linked /r/genzedong for how inaccurate/biased the information from there is. — Czello 09:18, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Every single piece of evidence regarding the alleged genocides and concentration camps come from, as far as I can tell, the Adrian Zenz study. Do you not think strange that what I just posted, which uses logic, common sense and empirical evidence, is not considered reliable, but a study by a far-right academic who has stated that "God has equipped me and used me to discover and expose these atrocities" is considered reliable? ( https://www.premierchristianity.com/interviews/meet-the-christian-investigator-equipped-by-god-to-expose-chinas-uyghur-genocide/5442.article ) 2804:14C:CA25:8625:EDF1:A366:41F1:4DC4 (talk) 20:14, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

If you're trying to promote reddit (especially /r/sino) as reliable, while accusing Zenz as being "far-right", then there's not much more to be done here. — Czello 21:51, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

References

"China: Massive Numbers of Uyghurs & Other Ethnic Minorities Forced into Re-education Programs".

Were Chips Used to Control 'Behavior' in Internment Camps??

Were Chips Used to Control 'Behavior' in Internment Camps?? 2600:387:C:6E10:0:0:0:2 (talk) 07:42, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

No. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.82.69.82 (talk) 05:43, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Xinjiang Documentation Project

I recently created a draft for the Xinjiang Documentation Project. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 22:01, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Report on forced labor in solar modules

The NYtimes and others covered this but on coming here, nada.. Some reason behind wanting to present them as just working on cotton picking and tomatoes?

As there are multiple sources and human rights reports.

Big money behind this, that politicians in the west would rather not be seen?

I included the references and gave some global insight of the ramifications globally.

Putting US and German's out of business as they can't compete with slave labor.

Boundarylayer (talk) 00:20, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

This event has not been confirmed

Since China and USA are enemies, there is a chance this is fake. Please use more neutral sorces Thehistorianisaac (talk) 08:41, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

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