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    01. In the lead section, mention that Biden is the oldest president. (RfC February 2021)

    02. There is no consensus on including a subsection about gaffes. (RfC March 2021)

    03. The infobox is shortened. (RfC February 2021)

    04. The lead image is the official 2021 White House portrait. (January 2021, April 2021)

    05. The lead image's caption is Official portrait, 2021. (April 2021)

    06. In the lead sentence, use who is as opposed to serving as when referring to Biden as the president. (RfC July 2021)

    07. In the lead sentence, use 46th and current as opposed to just 46th when referring to Biden as the president. (RfC July 2021)

    08. In the lead section, do not mention Biden's building of a port to facilitate American aid to Palestinians. (RfC June 2024)

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    joe biden was inaugurated on january 21, 2021 Withabb (talk) 12:58, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

     Not done: Sources clearly state it was the 20th. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:12, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
    It was the 20th, as was the case for just about every US President. --88.108.44.8 (talk) 20:11, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

    Entering that Inflation Reduction Act can help the USA to achieve its target in the Paris Agreement

    I have posted a sentence "With the bill and additional federal and state measures, the USA can fulfill its pledge in the Paris agreement: 50% greenhouse gas emissions reduction by the year 2030."

    It was deleted with this explanation: "Then lets wait and see if they do." But several sentences before there are suggestions about how much the bill wil reduce the GHG emissions. These are also suggestions based on calculations, so why not delete them?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Joe_Biden&oldid=prev&diff=1114029121

    Myy edit is not based on my own proposition: the same sources who are cited when talking about suggested GHG reduction several sentences above, says it explicitly (page 1):

    " If the IRA passes, additional executive and state actions can realistically achieve the U.S. nationallydetermined commitments(NDCs) under the Paris Agreement. "

    https://energyinnovation.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Modeling-the-Inflation-Reduction-Act-with-the-US-Energy-Policy-Simulator_August.pdf

    The second source (below the second graph):

    "This is a huge step forward towards the US climate target of 50-52% below 2005 levels in 2030, though clearly more action is needed. No single action on its own will be enough to meet the target. Still the IRA changes the game, not just with the deep emissions reductions it generates but also by cutting the cost of additional action by the executive branch and states, which could put the 2030 target within reach."

    https://rhg.com/research/climate-clean-energy-inflation-reduction-act/

    I think this is enough important for being mentioned on the page of Joe Byden.

    Can the edit be reinstalled? Alexander Sauda/אלכסנדר סעודה (talk) 15:23, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

    Can does not mean will, so it may well be that he can't meet these commitments. In addition, this is about Biden, not his presidency. So even if he did meet them what does this tell USA bout him? Slatersteven (talk) 15:26, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

    To Edit Joe Biden's Infobox To This

    See #RfC on Joe Biden's Infobox Contents below. Aoi (青い) (talk) 02:56, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

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    Hello.

    I see that the infobox only has 3 offices in it due to a consensus. And while I agree that we should cut down Biden's infobox size, I do not think that it should be solved by getting rid of offices in the infobox. Sure, right now they are at the bottom of the infobox, but IMHO most readers will easily miss that. His senatorial committee chairmanships are stretches to remove, but I am heavily confused as to why we ever removed his County Council seat.

    I think that the infobox I have in this section is way better than the one we have now. We can have all of Biden's offices in his infobox while keeping it to a size. For those who are interested in his senatorial committee chairmanships, they can click a button to view them.

    Again, I think this one is way better than the one we have now. Thank you for considering.

    Extended content
    Joe Biden
    Official portrait, 2021
    46th President of the United States
    Incumbent
    Assumed office
    January 20, 2021
    Vice PresidentKamala Harris
    Preceded byDonald Trump
    47th Vice President of the United States
    In office
    January 20, 2009 – January 20, 2017
    PresidentBarack Obama
    Preceded byDick Cheney
    Succeeded byMike Pence
    United States Senator
    from Delaware
    In office
    January 3, 1973 – January 15, 2009
    Preceded byJ. Caleb Boggs
    Succeeded byTed Kaufman
    Senatorial committee chairmanships (1987–⁠2009)
    Chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
    In office
    January 3, 2007 – January 3, 2009
    Preceded byRichard Lugar
    Succeeded byJohn Kerry
    In office
    June 6, 2001 – January 3, 2003
    Preceded byJesse Helms
    Succeeded byRichard Lugar
    In office
    January 3, 2001 – January 20, 2001
    Preceded byJesse Helms
    Succeeded byJesse Helms
    Chair of the International Narcotics Control Caucus
    In office
    January 3, 2007 – January 3, 2009
    Preceded byChuck Grassley
    Succeeded byDianne Feinstein
    Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee
    In office
    January 3, 1987 – January 3, 1995
    Preceded byStrom Thurmond
    Succeeded byOrrin Hatch
    Member of the New Castle County Council
    from the 4th district
    In office
    January 5, 1971 – January 1, 1973
    Preceded byHenry R. Folsom
    Succeeded byFrancis R. Swift
    Personal details
    BornJoseph Robinette Biden Jr.
    (1942-11-20) November 20, 1942 (age 82)
    Scranton, Pennsylvania, U.S.
    Political partyDemocratic (1969–present)
    Other political
    affiliations    		Independent (before 1969)
    Spouses
    Neilia Hunter ​ ​(m. 1966; died 1972)​
    Jill Jacobs ​(m. 1977)​
    Children
    RelativesBiden family
    EducationArchmere Academy
    Alma mater
    Occupation
    • Politician
    • lawyer
    • author
    AwardsList of honors and awards
    Signature
    Website

    Bbraxtonlee (talk) 03:11, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

    I agree this is a reasonable change. Iamreallygoodatcheckers 03:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
    Him being chair of Senate Judiciary and Senate Foreign Relations alone are so much more notable than New Castle County Council. I don't personally find these particularly useful. Therequiembellishere (talk) 05:37, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
    @Therequiembellishere: Yeah that’s arguable. But the point is is that the offices belong in the infobox regardless…Bbraxtonlee (talk) 07:42, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
    The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    RfC on Joe Biden's Infobox Contents

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    Should we modify Joe Biden's infobox to include all of his offices in a modified way that still shortens the length of his infobox. I have listed an example below. Example

    Joe Biden
    Official portrait, 2021
    46th President of the United States
    Incumbent
    Assumed office
    January 20, 2021
    Vice PresidentKamala Harris
    Preceded byDonald Trump
    47th Vice President of the United States
    In office
    January 20, 2009 – January 20, 2017
    PresidentBarack Obama
    Preceded byDick Cheney
    Succeeded byMike Pence
    United States Senator
    from Delaware
    In office
    January 3, 1973 – January 15, 2009
    Preceded byJ. Caleb Boggs
    Succeeded byTed Kaufman
    Senatorial committee chairmanships (1987–⁠2009)
    Chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
    In office
    January 3, 2007 – January 3, 2009
    Preceded byRichard Lugar
    Succeeded byJohn Kerry
    In office
    June 6, 2001 – January 3, 2003
    Preceded byJesse Helms
    Succeeded byRichard Lugar
    In office
    January 3, 2001 – January 20, 2001
    Preceded byJesse Helms
    Succeeded byJesse Helms
    Chair of the International Narcotics Control Caucus
    In office
    January 3, 2007 – January 3, 2009
    Preceded byChuck Grassley
    Succeeded byDianne Feinstein
    Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee
    In office
    January 3, 1987 – January 3, 1995
    Preceded byStrom Thurmond
    Succeeded byOrrin Hatch
    Member of the New Castle County Council
    from the 4th district
    In office
    January 5, 1971 – January 1, 1973
    Preceded byHenry R. Folsom
    Succeeded byFrancis R. Swift
    Personal details
    BornJoseph Robinette Biden Jr.
    (1942-11-20) November 20, 1942 (age 82)
    Scranton, Pennsylvania, U.S.
    Political partyDemocratic (1969–present)
    Other political
    affiliations    		Independent (before 1969)
    Spouses
    Neilia Hunter ​ ​(m. 1966; died 1972)​
    Jill Jacobs ​(m. 1977)​
    Children
    RelativesBiden family
    EducationArchmere Academy
    Alma mater
    Occupation
    • Politician
    • lawyer
    • author
    AwardsList of honors and awards
    Signature
    Website

    Bbraxtonlee (talk) 02:36, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

    @Iamreallygoodatcheckers and Therequiembellishere: Courtesy pings to the users who participated in the infobox discussion above. Aoi (青い) (talk) 03:01, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
    • Yes/Support Bbraxtonlee (talk) 03:38, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
    • Oppose. The infobox is slightly shorter on desktop. However, the Senate leadership fields are not collapsible on the mobile version of Misplaced Pages, resulting in the infobox being significantly longer for mobile users compared to the version currently in the article. Aoi (青い) (talk) 04:03, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
    • Support inclusion of New Castle County Council; oppose inclusion of Senate leadership fields. The Senate leadership positions weren't really offices in the same sense as the others here, and are reasonable to keep out for brevity. We shouldn't leave out a directly-elected office he held, though. Elli (talk | contribs) 04:22, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
    • Oppose The infobox is supposed to summarize the key points. It doesn't have to summarize every point. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
    • (Summoned by bot) Oppose. Infobox does not exist to provide an all-encompassing, exhaustive, and concise introduction about the subject to the reader. As an element of the lead, its purpose is to recapitulate the prominent nuggets that figure in the article's body. To then treat it as a repository of infructuous trivia and facts in existence is to detract from that very purpose. MBlaze Lightning (talk) 07:53, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
    • Well, I was going to support, but after reading Aoi’s comment that this is not collapsible on mobile, I don’t think this is a good idea. I oppose Iamreallygoodatcheckers 14:59, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
    • Oppose, if what it had done to this talk page is anything to go by, too long with pointless trivia that really tells us nothing. Slatersteven (talk) 15:03, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
    • Oppose – doesn't collapse on mobile and provides an excess of information. As MBlaze Lightening has noted, it goes against the guideline MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE which emphasizes brevity for clarity:
    "keep in mind the purpose of an infobox: to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article ... The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance"
    --Guest2625 (talk) 11:11, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

    joe biden

    joe biden allegedly has dementia 136.228.49.44 (talk) 12:54, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

    Yes, this has been discussed, but without a medical diagnoses, we can't add this. Slatersteven (talk) 12:56, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

    Slightly elevated inflation?

    Seriously? Inflation has increased almost every month that Biden has been in office and has gone from 1.4% the month he took office to it’s current rate of 8.2% going as high as 9.1 in June of 2022. You cannot softpedal those numbers or ignore them and the idea that there has been wage growth is a lie as real wages have reduced because of inflation. This is fluffery of the highest degree after adjusting for inflation, “real” weekly earnings went down 4.4%. I’m not inclined to mess around with the page but this should be corrected, it’s incredibly biased. 71.190.233.44 (talk) 02:35, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

    Inflation is higher than average everywhere in the world. The over 95% of the world's population who live outside the USA don't blame Joe Biden for it. Keep your parochial politics out of this article. HiLo48 (talk) 03:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
    You post the five pillars of Misplaced Pages on your talk page, please reread them - specifically Misplaced Pages is written from a neutral point of view and Misplaced Pages's editors should treat each other with respect and civility I’ve cited sources that clearly contradict the fluffery in the article which needs to be updated to reflect the correct information. 71.190.233.44 (talk) 12:10, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
    When you talk about "fluffery" and are clearly here to push right wing talking points, it's harder to treat you with respect and civility. If you want to be treated with civility and respect, you need to first give it. Instead of talking about "fluffery" and bias(everything is biased), say something like "I read this article and I am concerned it does not have a neutral point of view because.....". It's a fact that inflation is a global problem not unique to the US, and is actually worse in places like the UK. 331dot (talk) 12:16, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
    I'm not sure why the US vs. world distinction matters here, as it's not related to what the IP posted. I think they just misread the text of the article. Endwise (talk) 12:34, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
    The text in the article reads significantly elevated inflation (not "slightly"), which is accurate. Did you misread it? The point about wage growth is that people are less hard hit by inflation if their earnings are also increasing. But real earnings are still down, so that's why it said it was partially offset by an increase in wage/salary. So that appears to be accurate as well. Perhaps we could write partially offset by the highest nominal wage and salary growth in at least 20 years to make it clearer? Endwise (talk) 12:28, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
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