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List of highest-grossing Punjabi films

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. نعم البدل (talk) 23:40, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

May have been involved? lol. U only involved me there. And, 2 admins have already cleared your confusion there. Now, just try to understand and stop wasting precious time of both of us. SunnyKambojLive (talk) 18:05, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Look, SunnyKambojLive, you need to stop operating as if you have a good understanding of policies and guidelines and best practices, when it's clear that you don't. Everyone has an equal stake in editing anything. A creator of a page doesn't get special allowances, nor does an editor by virtue of their ethno-national orientation relative to a given page. When you falsely accuse an editor of vandalism in the course of a content dispute, as you did here — that counts as a personal attack, which is sanctionable. Please review WP:NOTVANDALISM. And when you double down on that, as you did here, stating (in part): Kindly check the meaning of vandalism on wikipedia — that just comes across as not serious.

So please take a step back and try not being so reflexively defensive. Try to observe the ethos of WP:ONUS, as a recommendation that the person introducing a change take the initiative toward (dispassionately) building WP:CONSENSUS for it whenever it's contested, rather than resorting to brute force WP:EDITWARRING.

Above all else, be collegial, act professionally in a manner befitting a collaborative project. And avoid even a hint of WP:OWNERSHIP. Your expertise is welcomed as a Punjabi (though this is a broader point about all countries and fields), but don't expect special breaks, stakes or sway for it for Punjabi-related pages. You won't get it. I'm being blunt with because you're teetering on the edge right now. So a major course correction is necessary. Otherwise, I'm sorry to say, but your time here is going to be challenging, if not brief. Good luck and thanks in advance for your close attention to this matter. El_C 22:31, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello User:Ei_C, thank a lot for your kind words. I know these are for my benefit only. And, from everything u have said, it seems you know the whole situation and the page that is being discussed.

The problem I was facing is that I didn't know how to add diffs. I am trying to learn it and give a proof of why I said it to be an act of Vandalism. I had no intention of falsely accusing anyone. Though I felt like a victim of false accusations by a couple of users.

I thought we have freedom of speech, on Misplaced Pages. But whenever I try to say anything, other users start cornering me. At least, that what I felt. That's why I am learning how to add diffs and give a clarification on false accusations being on me. Just because I am afraid an Admin will block me just because of the false accusations. But please suggest me if I should give clarification with Proofs or not? Or just step back and remain silent?

Also, I never intend to own any page. I know it's not possible on Misplaced Pages. Actually, I was writing the clarification on the page being discussed before I got your message. Just suggest me the best. I will be very thankful. And, I already am.

Thanks & Regards, SunnyKambojLive (talk) 23:09, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Hey, no problem. The documentation is at WP:DIFF. But I looked at those edits and it's not vandalism. Again, please review WP:NOTVANDALISM to understand why that is. If you take it slow and closely review all the links I attached for you above, then you'll be in a much better position to navigate this dispute, specifically, and this website, in general.

As for freedom of speech, that's limited to public venues subject to the laws governing the country you're in. But there's WP:NOTFREESPEECH on Misplaced Pages. It's a private website with it's own set of rules. El_C 23:33, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I understood why it was not Vandalism. I am reviewing all the links and will proceed accordingly.

Thanks a lot. :) SunnyKambojLive (talk) 23:44, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello everyone, I think the other thread is closed. So, I am writing here.

User:Swarm, User:Woodroar, User:EI_C please read this. I am giving my clarification.

A) User:نعم البدل, when I was talking about false accusations, it was not meant for you. I was talking about User:Nfitz, and I will explain why in the following.

B) About Vandalism - I thought Disruptive editing is Vandalism as I read it on "Vandalism on Misplaced Pages" article on Misplaced Pages. Though User:EI_C guided me and I got to know that it's not Vandalism.

When you (User:نعم البدل) started adding a Pakistani Punjabi film on the list which till then (and before any discussion started) only contained Indian Punjabi films, I found it disruptive and undid it. But you undid my revision 2-3 times in just few minutes.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Punjabi_films&diff=1119779526&oldid=1119651034,

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Punjabi_films&diff=1119995937&oldid=1119779526,

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Punjabi_films&diff=1119997969&oldid=1119997340,

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Punjabi_films&diff=1120003622&oldid=1119997969)

Then, I thought it to be Vandalism and left you a message, (https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:%D9%86%D8%B9%D9%85_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%AF%D9%84&diff=1120065841&oldid=1120005093). Now that I have learnt that this was not Vandalism, so I apologize from you (User:نعم البدل).

Then, you found this to be threatening. (https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:%D9%86%D8%B9%D9%85_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%AF%D9%84&diff=1120066011&oldid=1120065841). But it is a standard Misplaced Pages message and not something I wrote from my side. How that can be threatening? So, I asked you to search the meaning of Vandalism on Misplaced Pages. (https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:%D9%86%D8%B9%D9%85_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%AF%D9%84&diff=1120190123&oldid=1120066011) Regarding which, I had wrong information or let's say, incomplete information. But that was not entirely my fault. As a Misplaced Pages article said so.

C) Now, User:Nfitz took advantage of this situation and falsely accused me of being unnecessarily hostile and condescending (ref. above in this same discussion. I just asked User:نعم البدل to check the meaning for Misplaced Pages Vandalism. How this can be hostile and condescending? We also know, it's not. For this, User:Nfitz should apologize from me.

Now, let me give everyone the proof, why User:Nfitz did this. He tried to make few changes on the page that is being discussed.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Punjabi_films&diff=1120201100&oldid=1120196774)

According to him, we can't use the word Overseas because - "one doesn't have to cross seas to reach many of these countries".

I found this to be funny. So, I reverted and replied

(https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Punjabi_films&diff=1120204304&oldid=1120201100)

He just could not digest it and came to this discussion and made false accusations on me, that could have led to me blocking from editing, according to User:Swarm.

Now tell me everyone, who is the victim here?

D) User:Nfitz is still not stopping as you can read his further comments and the changes he is making on the page being discussed. Let me clear further, I did not accused him of Vandalism. I just referred him by mistake though I intended to write User:نعم البدل

For which, I already apologized to User:نعم البدل

I am sorry to write User:Nfitz by mistake. Now, we all have to see if User:Nfitz is mature enough of apologizing from me or not? For false accusations. Doesn't he qualify to be blocked after all this and wasting everyone's precious time especially mine? (just for fun or out of frustration)

E) Coming back to User:نعم البدل

There is not an issue of WP:Ownership at all. Just because I am the major contributor of the said page, it does not mean I intend to own it. It's not possible on Misplaced Pages. From my clarification, you can easily judge my intentions.

And, talking about the examples I gave regarding Bengali and English language are still relevant for me. We can have different opinions on it. Talking about separating the Indian Punjabi and Pakistani Punjabi films, discussion is still ON. And, I didn't think to add any column because you did not suggested earlier. Now that you have suggested, I will think about it.

F) Talking about the page being discussed, I already mentioned my times that List of highest-grossing Punjabi films is a sub-article of List of highest-grossing Indian films and adding Pakistani Punjabi movies to it will be illogical.

G) In last, I want to talk about feeling getting cornered or a case of partiality. When User:SilverserenC used such disrespectful language and strong words and wrote following.

"Trying to limit the list to only Indian Punjabi films seems both dumb and way over-specialization that isn't needed for such a list. And, since the sources do explicitly call the Pakistani films "Punjabi", then that means they fall under what this list article is about. Also, this conflict makes me wonder if this would fall under the India-Pakistan discretionary sanctions. Since this seems to be a really stupid anti-Pakistan action".

Nobody said anything to him or asked him to tone down. But when I replied to him with the following:-

"Such comment without having your facts checks, is dumb actually. Kindly read my upper comment to understand why this list can't include films from Pakistan. And, this is not a new debate. It has always been the case. Whenever page protection is removed, such users arise. Your use of word "anti-Pakistan" is enough to understand your mind set, without clearly seeing the logic".

After this, User:Swarm asked me to tone it down and even threaten me to block. I want to know the reason of this partiality.

Thanks & Regards, SunnyKambojLive (talk) 01:23, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

SunnyKambojLive, your recent posts at the article talkpage indicate a sense of frustration (I don't know why people are not understanding this simple logic. etc). As has been said earlier, maintaining calm professionalism is important in discussions where participants have differing viewpoints. I'd suggest slowing down or even taking a break if you feel frustrated; its more productive and healthier. Also note my reply with regards to potential canvassing. Abecedare (talk) 18:06, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

(replying to your message on my talkpage to keep discussion in one place) I had glanced through your post above and understand why you feel that some of the comments at ANI, suggesting anti-Pakistani bias, were unmerited. I am happy to acknowledge that. But the point of ANI etc is not to to mete out punishment or justice but rather to enable encyclopedia-building which is the raison d'etre for all of us being here. Any sanction imposed are just a means towards that end and it is usually preferable to prevent disruption before it occurs/escalates rather than issue blocks after the facts. My aim in closing the ANI thread was to try to get the editors to move on from past conduct issues and the bad blood that had been generated.

As for admin partiality: You may not realize it yet, but User:El C's polite but plainspoken messages above really prevented you from walking into a sanction. And my previous note above was again primarily intended to prevent you from making frustrated outbursts or canvassing errors that would necessitate a page or topic ban. So again, I'd urge you to not hold grudges about past conduct but simply focus on the content and sources issue; or, even take a few days break from the Punjabi film list page so that you can look at it with fresh eyes and perspective. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 19:09, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

List of highest-grossing Indian Punjabi (Panjabi) films

I have restored List of highest-grossing Indian Punjabi (Panjabi) films to a redirect. First, it was an unattributed copy-paste of an article, which is a copyright violation. See WP:COPYWITHIN. But second, it was an alternate article created solely to bypass consensus, which we do not allow on Misplaced Pages. See WP:POVFORK. I'm disappointed that you started working on that alternate article after I'd pointed you to our POVFORK policy. I strongly urge you to take a step back and read through our policies and guidelines to get an understanding about what we're doing here on Misplaced Pages. My recommendation is to read through WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:NPOV, and then WP:NOT and WP:CON. They provide the foundation for what we include on Misplaced Pages and why, what we don't include on Misplaced Pages, and our behavioral norms for developing a consensus. You should also read through the policies and guidelines that others have linked, if you haven't already. Woodroar (talk) 14:15, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Actually, I created that article before you pointed to POVFORK Policy. So, there is no reason for disappointment. You can check timelines. And, I did that to find solution. Others users were also suggesting same to form a different article regarding Pakistani Punjabi films. If we can't do it, I am stepping back.

Also, I just checked your message of pointing towards any such policy. SunnyKambojLive (talk) 16:28, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

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Request reason:

To unblock from editing List of highest-grossing Punjabi films and List of highest-grossing Indian Punjabi (Panjabi) films

Hello User:El C, please note that I did not intent any WP:EDITWARRING since the discussion is going on about the said page - List of highest-grossing Punjabi films. I have not violated three-revert rule . Though I did create a separate page - List of highest-grossing Indian Punjabi (Panjabi) films before getting information from User:Woodroar on why I can't do it. Once he reverted the change and I read information given by him, I said that I am STEPPING BACK from creating any new article regarding the same.

Talking about WP:BLUDGEON, I told you that I am learning diffs. and studying the suggested policies, so that I can give my clarification. Then, you helped me and gave me a go ahead . Till the time I wrote my clarification (with proofs and all diff links attached), the ANI thread was closed. So, I had to unwillingly write my clarification on my talk page. . I did not have another option. It was a long comment as I had to address many people and various accusations on me. I did not know that this will amount to WP:BLUDGEON. I am sorry for my lack of knowledge as I am a basic editor who takes care of only a few articles.

And, I think there is some confusion regarding WP:ASPERSIONS? I addressed every single accusation with evidence in form of diffs. in my long comment/clarification. That's the reason it took me long time to write. I was told by different users on the same topic that adding diffs is the way to address evidence. I did the same. Then, User:Abecedare checked the same accusations and acknowledged it (the partiality thing I was referring to from one of the admin). User:Abecedare suggested me to focus on the content and sources issue; or, even take a few days break from the Punjabi film list page so that I can look at it with fresh eyes and perspective. And, I AM READY TO DO IT. In Past also, I usually update that page once in a week or two-week time.

I never said that you (User:El C) were partial. You were very helpful.

Kindly unblock me. I will not do any further discussion regarding the topic that was being discussed. I will go back to updating the collections that I used to do after a week or 2 week time. And, if others think that Pakistani Punjabi films should be added to the list, let them add. You guys decide on that.

Thanks & Regards,

Sunny Kamboj

SunnyKambojLive (talk) 22:36, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Your request not show you understand why you are blocked, or the severity of your failings here. This incredibly lenient block is the bare minimum at this point, and you are actually even still allowed to participate in the dispute. Frankly you are being cut a huge break. You are lucky not to be fully blocked for a lengthy period for your ownership behavior. ~Swarm~ 08:46, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

SunnyKambojLive, had you asked, I'd have told you that using WP:3RR to justify making that major change, again, would count as ruleslawyering (WP:WIKILAWYER). I suspect you aren't reading the provided documentation carefully. Like, with this unblock request, did you review the Misplaced Pages:Guide to appealing blocks document closely, as the block message suggests?

So, sorry, but it's time for you to take that personal responsibility. I've given you more leniency than most admins would have, so now you gotta do the work in a serious way — a steep learning curve, I know, but there's no other choice now if you are to continue editing. Editing this subject at least. You could always move on to something else, and if it's unproblematic, then, you're okay.

But if you do wish to press on with this, either you step up, or it's probably not gonna work out. Again, try to absorb what I'm telling you here and apply it in practice fully. You can still do it. El_C 23:06, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

User:El C, please don't misunderstand me, I did not justify the major change with WP:3RR, if it sounded like that. I am trying my best to read all the documentations. I also reviewed Misplaced Pages:Guide to appealing blocks. But as you said, it is a steep learning curve, may be I need more time to fully understand it and the other documentations as well. After which, I will fully apply it in practice. I also request you that these things are difficult and time consuming for me as per my occupation. Kindly notice if I will be doing good from now, regarding all the reasons for which I have been blocked. And, if u find it satisfying, I will seek your help in the unblock process. Thanks ...

I'm good with that. But I'd also advise you to do something on Misplaced Pages unrelated to this subject. You still haven't found your footing yet, which I think you acknowledge, so it's best to sail calmer waters until you do. In those areas, you'd be much less likely to step over the line. Which, again, this time, will carry more severe consequences. So please take the time.

Yes, the learning curve is steep, for many reasons, but as a consequence, it also helps the English Misplaced Pages community retain its independence and cohesion. Many editors start out as a Misplaced Pages:Single-purpose account but later branch out. You started editing this 'purpose' all the way back in 2018, so maybe it's time to branch out. So, I encourage you to do that.

And if not, well, it's allowed, but it also bears more scrutiny and challenges. I've re-opened the ANI thread, but if there isn't any further issues for a few days, I'll archive it at that time. Good luck once again. El_C 00:16, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks ... SunnyKambojLive (talk) 02:55, 7 November 2022 (UTC)