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    01. In the lead section, mention that Biden is the oldest president. (RfC February 2021)

    02. There is no consensus on including a subsection about gaffes. (RfC March 2021)

    03. The infobox is shortened. (RfC February 2021)

    04. The lead image is the official 2021 White House portrait. (January 2021, April 2021)

    05. The lead image's caption is Official portrait, 2021. (April 2021)

    06. In the lead sentence, use who is as opposed to serving as when referring to Biden as the president. (RfC July 2021)

    07. In the lead sentence, use 46th and current as opposed to just 46th when referring to Biden as the president. (RfC July 2021)

    08. In the lead section, do not mention Biden's building of a port to facilitate American aid to Palestinians. (RfC June 2024)

    Infobox political office parameters

    @Synotia: the inclusion of his senate tenure has always been included in this article. I don't care much about the county council, but it's been there since at least November 14, 2022, and I recall seeing it there in various times before. Furthermore, the closer of the RfC declaring that the infobox needs to be shortened wrote in the close: keeping New Castle County Council would probably satisfy most or all participants. No, there is not a consensus in that RfC to remove either from the infobox, especially the senate one; I skimmed through the RfC and not a single participant proposed removing the senate postion, only certain discrete committeships. Biden served in the senate for over 30 years (the majority of his political career). They both should be re-added to the infobox. Iamreallygoodatcheckers 15:50, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

    I think you pinged the wrong editor. It is Surtsicna who has removed the US Senate tenure from the infobox. Looking at Talk:Joe Biden/Archive 14#RfC on the infobox length and Talk:Joe Biden/Archive 15#RFC on infobox length - closing statement and followup recommendations, I see support for excluding the county council and committee chairmanships, but not for removing the senate tenure in full. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:44, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
    Muboshgu is correct. I erred in removing the general senatorship information. Surtsicna (talk) 18:47, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
    Muboshgu, thanks for letting me know I pinged the wrong editor. Iamreallygoodatcheckers 21:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

    All has been repaired. Jolly good :) GoodDay (talk) 23:28, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

    Skin cancer

    Not a regular editor of this article, but should the info about his skin cancer be added into the article? Crusader1096 (message) 02:37, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

    What information? HiLo48 (talk) 02:44, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
    Lesion Removed During Biden's Physical Was Cancerous - NYT
    Doctor: Lesion removed from Biden’s chest was cancerous - AP
    Joe Biden had cancerous skin lesion removed, White House says - BBC Crusader1096 (message) 03:50, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
    Eh seems pretty mundane. It was a minor, common, low-risk cancer that was treated without incident. Lean WP:NOTNEWS because it will have no significant effect on his legacy. We don’t have to catalogue every little health issue a head of state has. Dronebogus (talk) 04:18, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
    This appears to be WP:NOTNEWS Iamreallygoodatcheckers 05:09, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
    Here in Australia it would be rare for someone of Biden's age to have not had skin cancer. It's not major unless the news says so, and it hasn't. HiLo48 (talk) 06:16, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
    why r we talking abt this??? Okfupls (talk) 00:49, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

    Prose

    "Biden signed the Respect for Marriage Act, which codified protections for same-sex marriage and repealed DOMA and the CHIPS and Science Act" it took visiting the CHIPS and Science Act page to realise that it was not among the repealed acts. This could be worded better. 2001:8F8:172B:49C3:24AC:2EBD:229D:F1BE (talk) 18:19, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

    That phrase was removed, addressing your issue. But I definitely think the lead should mention the CHIPS Act; it's a pretty huge policy, and one of Biden's signature achievements. DFlhb (talk) 00:43, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
    @DFlhb: I went ahead and added CHIPs to the lead. Iamreallygoodatcheckers 01:12, 6 March 2023

    Reality

    What - no observation that he was elected the the largest percentage of the eligible vote in history? He's the most popular presidential candidate ever, in all of US history. No discussion of that? He got 81 million votes, he was also elected defying the "Bellwether counties." This is an exceptionally notable president. Who could have guessed he could be elected?

    sources? Slatersteven (talk) 13:26, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

    Voice file

    I question the judgment call of including a voice file of Biden right after he caught COVID; COVID is well known to cause someone's voice to sound different, and to my ears, that's reflected in the audio file.

    There's a second related issue; Biden's speech patterns have changed quite significantly in recent years (due to normal aging; among other things, it's slower than it used to be), and I think a "representative" voice sample should ideally come from earlier years, for example 2012 (is that Biden-Ryan debate freely licensed?). The only point of a voice file is to illustrate a person's normal timbre, pitch, loudness, cadence, phonation, etc, and we must strive to be neutral and representative of the overall person; a voice recording at an advanced age is IMO not the point here, regardless of which period of his life is most notable. DFlhb (talk) 16:00, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

    It would be best to include his voice as US president. But, not while he had covid. GoodDay (talk) 16:19, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
    I don't understand why we need a voice file for Biden. His voice is not of particular significance to his notability or public image. Not to the extent of Trump or Obama for example. Also, yea, an audio of file of when he had COVID would not be optimal. Iamreallygoodatcheckers 19:58, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
    I don't think we should adopt elaborate inclusion criteria for voices (and significance to notability or public image is pretty fuzzy/subjective). It's unnecessary and will just lead to endless talk page arguments. AFAIK, the only criteria we apply for signatures is: if it's freely-licensed, add it. Since I guess we're now adding voices, they should be treated the same. DFlhb (talk) 22:59, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
    I just realized the extent in which we include these audio files. It's every president since they started recording stuff pretty much. I suppose there isn't standard for inclusion, just whether it's freely licensed. Iamreallygoodatcheckers 01:46, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
    It's obviously subjective, but his voice sounds pretty normal to me in the Covid clip. I agree with GoodDay that if we have a voice clip, it should be from his Presidency. If you want to hear what Biden's voice sounds like when it's abnormal, you can watch this video from a time when he had a cold. —Ganesha811 (talk) 01:36, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
    wth!!???? Okfupls (talk) 00:49, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
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