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Good luck! -Chairman S. 23:47, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

My revert of your user page

Yeah, I was 85% sure that was the case, but because the entry was personal information, and because of the reference to "Big Brother," I thought that perhaps someone was harassing you, and figured you could always revert it again if it was just that you hadn't logged in. See you round, JDoorj a m Talk 04:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

though your edit was minor, it makes me look like less of an idiot and i appreciate it fellow iranian. thanks. also in personal messages i don't really care about capitalization but in my user page i guess it makes sense.Amirman 04:33, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Unfulfilled Christian prophecy

Thanks for your vote! However, please note that the current third round of voting is much, much farther down the page, almost at the end. Please return and register your vote there. Here's a link. Talk:Timeline_of_unfulfilled_Christian_Prophecy Fortunately, the alternative you chose is still in the running. Best regards... Tex 12:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

As I told SurfDog.

Censorship is wrong. unsigned comment by User_talk:68.45.21.137

Not on Misplaced Pages Kirbytime 22:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

albatross

vandals keep inserting real-life personal info of wikipedians, repeatedly. We're trying to fixthe history of articles. don't move them please. -- ( drini's page ☎ ) 03:42, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Alright I understand now. Darn vandals... ĶĩřβȳŤįɱéØ 03:46, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Pages needing translation into English

Do you have any idea what that Punjabi article might be about? I'll take to AfD soon otherwise (it's been two weeks.)

By the way, I'd really like it if you could check back at the page at least every week or so. We're sorely in need of people who understand arabic/farsi; we get articles in those languages from time to time and usually no-one knows what to do with them. Grand master ka 04:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

There's a couple new entries you should have a look at if you're still available. Regards, Grand master ka 06:16, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Strawberry

You can use it in your signature if you want, but it looks as though you've already found a better picture. RENTA röck 23:39, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Image:KirbySig.JPG

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Fair Use Images and user pages

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Look at the Disfigurement of Iranian History

Are these okay edits on the part of this user?

The Azari-related articles are all massivly being deviated. Everyone should get proactive. The behaviour is anti-Iranian and anti-Azari (Azaris after all are an Iranian people) 72.57.230.179

Request for graph

Thank you for requesting a graph at Rational function. I moved your request to the talk page. Metainformation is more appropriate there, and less distracting than in the article. Thanks. You can reply here if you have comments. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:32, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

By the way, I think your joke with "new messages" at the top of your page is making fun of other people, and if I were you, I would remove it. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:34, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Criticism of Muslims vs Criticism of Islam

Kirbytime, what you added was criticism of Muslims, not criticism of "Islam." Furthermore, all that paragraph was pure Original Research. --Aminz 08:32, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Kirbytime. I am Amin. Nice to meet you. I was wondering why you re-added the last paragraph here: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Islam&diff=64626099&oldid=64626012

Regards, --Aminz 08:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Kirbytime, I'm just confused; we may have had an edit conflict. Thanks anyway. --Aminz 08:44, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Why did you revert? The source does not state 1.5 billion Muslims. Unless you can find a reliable source (preferably a book) that indicates 1.5 billion Muslims, please do not change it. BhaiSaab 20:54, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. BhaiSaab 21:04, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

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Feedback

Do you have any feedback here? we are trying to write a mannual of style. Can you for example, provide a list of famous Sunni scholars whose works could be found on the internet? --Aminz 03:27, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Haman

I replied to your comments on Haman (Islam). I won't remove the tag until we're done talking. --Ephilei 01:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Islamic Barnstar Award

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diacritics

salam kirbytime. i noticed your comments regarding transliteration of arabic and persian. it seems to me that you also believe that the existing professional and academic standard (IJMES/MESA/EI) should be used, complete with diacritics. i have tried often to implement this standard when i edit, but i have found several articles reverted. the best example is Khālid ibn al-Walīd article which was reverted several times since i edited it and fixed up the poor grammar and improper language. i would appreciate some help in fixing this articles, since there's no point for me to correct the mistakes, if it will only be reverted! dgl 02:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Info on Islamophobic group

Hello,

What follows are the thoughts, expressed in their own words, and in the 'protest signs', of the obscure, very small, but very vocal 'activist group' known as "Protest Warrior".

"What's becoming clear is how the religion of Islam is addicted to war and mayhem. Not a radical minority, not a rogue sect, but its very essence is about submission and sacrifice and proving your worth by worshipping death in this life to gain a paradise of orgies and drunkenness. Their entire history is of warfare, and any accomplishments of their so-called Golden Age has been proven to be merely parasitic off the cultures they've conquered and reduced to dhimmi servitude. That every country under sharia is corrupt, belligerent, desolate and barbaric obviously gives them no pause, except to constantly drive them into further psychotic rage as they refuse to ever accept any responsibility for their conditions. They are akin to the powers in Orwell's 1984; there must always be an enemy. It's no surprise that women are treated like property in these countries as that's the only way Muslim men can feed their egos, to dominate others rather than ever actually produce something."

Kfir Alfia and Alan Lipton, founders of "Protest Warrior"

Their 'protest signs'...

Signs

I thought you might be interested in this group's sentiments. They are currently very actively editing their own article on Wiki and there is a lot of 'group think'. Perhaps you might want to become involved in the editing and discussion process on that page. If you do, please don't vandalize, and try to remain civil. Should you not want to involve youself, please forgive my intrusion.

Protest Warrior

Protest Warrior Discussion

NBGPWS 09:04, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Scientology logo

Please see the discussion at Template talk:ScientologySeries#Logo removal: "According to Jean-Baptiste Soufron, host of the Wikimania 2006 copyright forum, the logo on the template did not qualify as "free" and there is no way to create anything imitating the logo and consider it "free."" We've had specific legal advice on this issue, so please don't change the image again. -- ChrisO 12:27, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

If you please

I want you to think of a group which you have personally found helpful to you in your life. If the group has also been observed, by you, personally, to have been helpful to other people also, then that would be good too. Now I don't know the name of the group you have thought of. However, I am pretty sure that you have some allience with such a group.

You made the statement, Are you done being a tool of Scientology already? --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 03:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I want you to substitue the name of your group for "Scientology" and thereby understand that if I said, Are you, Kirbytime, done being a tool of ..... (your helpful group here) ..... that you might consider that to be a personal attack. Do you follow this reasoning ? Please be a bit more Civil. Terryeo 19:05, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Terryeo, I suggest you take your own advice. You were very uncivil to mediator Xyrael.--Fahrenheit451 01:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Terryeo on this. It is never acceptable to make this kind of attack, and clearly "tool of scientology" is intended to be an attack both on Terryeo's person and his religion. Consider this a warning. --Tony Sidaway 14:50, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

It's not a personal attack, it is a statement of fact. You are putting Scientology's interests before Misplaced Pages's interests by distorting facts. I don't even want to make the accusations myself. Here are the things that other Wikipedians have said:

Good grief. Is Terryeo really suggesting that Muslims, Jews and other religions are represented by the Christian cross? (Hint: there's a reason why it's called the Christian cross.) This is just... wow. -- ChrisO 12:34, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

To my knowledge, Scientology has never used any other version of the cross as a symbol other than their eight-pointed version, and Terryeo isn't suggesting that such a thing has ever taken place -- he's suggesting that the traditional "Christian cross" is actually a generic symbol for all religions, not a symbol of Christianity specifically. By the same logic as Terryeo is presenting, if we were for some reason unable to use the Star of David in a template on Judaism, or the inverted pentagram in a template on Satanism, it would be reasonable to use the Christian cross instead -- again, on the dubious premise that the Christian cross means "a generic religion" now. -- Antaeus Feldspar 18:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

And of course, there's this whole thing that totally ruins Terryeo's claims of good faith

It is not a personal attack, it is a personal fact. The only one I was attacking is the corporation of Scientology, by claiming that they use Terryeo as a pawn. Honestly, look at his contributions, which is mostly Scientology related.

I certainly did not mean my comment to be offensive, and if any offense was taken then I apologize. But did that warrant this waste of Administrators' time at Misplaced Pages?

I feel somewhat honored that I'm being targeted in a smear campaign now, lol.

--Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 20:11, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

re: Islam and Slavery merge proposal

السلام عليكم

a while ago you proposed to merge into Religion and slavery per the afd on "Islam and Slavery". the thing is... that later on the religion and slavery article was stubbed per its own afd, so it's rather strange to merge into a stub . furthermore, the article has undergone significant work.. would it be okay with you if i removed the merge proposal? thank you! (p.s. thank you for this also!) ITAQALLAH 07:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

گروه خلاقيت

Hi Kirbytime. I'm Fsotrain09, and I help out with Pages needing translation into English. Pages there have been discovered and listed for translation; after about two weeks without translation, they are deleted. Even if a page is translated, the same Misplaced Pages policies for inclusion, such as subject notability, NPOV, no spam, etc., apply. I was wondering if you could take a look at the article above, which has been sitting unattended for a week or so. First just check if it meets the basic requirements of inclusion. If it doesn't, leave me a note; if it does, kindly translate it and tell me when you are finished. Thank you so much! -Fsotrain₀₉ 02:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I know this is none of my business, but I think this page should be nominated for deletion. It is about a particular non-notable educational organization (probably private) in a small city of Iran. It is not encyclopedic. --Aminz 10:05, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, that's exactly the information I was looking for. --Fsotrain₀₉ 15:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Qur'an

I don't know why you removed the DMOZ directory from the Qur'an article. That was a compromise -- instead of dozens (and potentially hundreds) of links to different sects' websites re the Qur'an, we just send readers to a site that is nothing but links. If they want their Qur'an links in the article, they can make sure that the links are entered into DMOZ. This is the same compromise we're using at the Islam article. Instead of links to sectarian (and anti-Muslim) sites, we just like to DMOZ, with its hundreds of links.

If we pick what we think are the BEST Qur'an links, we're making religious decisions, and I don't think WP should be doing that. Zora 10:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Then submit some links to DMOZ. It's a community effort, like WP. If you can find a better Qur'an directory, we can add that too. An academic one would be fine. However, any directory that is slanted in a Sunni, Sufi, Salafi, Shi'a, whatever direction would not be acceptable. Zora 07:46, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

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New York Times translation re: MA

The translation is that of Nazila Fathi of The New York Times. Please do not remove cited information from reliable sources, that is considered vandalism. Thank you. -- Avi 04:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

It was mentioned that it was the NYT many times on the talk page, and it is brought as wikiquote. I do not believe it is a POV issue, as it is one of the most reliable sources that exist, AND the translator is Iranian, I believe. I am sorry you have a personal problem with it, but it is not a wikipedia issue. -- Avi 04:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Edit conflicts

Wow, it looks like we are both working on the same part of the Proofs page at the same time. So I'm giving up for tonite. --MathMan64 03:42, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Terrorism

I saw you recently edited Talk:Terrorism. I have left a query there regarding terrorist groups. If you are familiar with any of them, please contact me. KazakhPol 18:14, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Hammasa Kohistani picture

Sorry for that. But the reason I added that picture there is that I removed it from the article Tajiks and so now that picture is not linked to any articles, and so instead of wasting it, I thought Id add it to that article instead of having the picture take up space for nothing. I'll add this to the discussion. Thank you.

E-mail

Salam, do you mind putting an email address in your preferences so I can contact you? BhaiSaab 05:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

You have mail. BhaiSaab 01:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Time out, man.

I deleted a blank page. Please don't come screaming bloody murder on my talk page. OK? - Lucky 6.9 06:24, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem. However, do not come onto my talk page or any other user's talk page with that chip on your shoulder ever again or you're going to be taking a time-out. - Lucky 6.9 06:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

It's a hot-button issue. I saw what happened; an anonymous IP blanked the page and left a message claiming he/she was "offended" by the article. It came across as a zero-length article on the new pages section, so I blanked it as an experiment. It's back now. - Lucky 6.9 06:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

No prob. Good luck on the article. I'll leave word on the anonymous user's page because what that person did was just wrong. If you get hassled over the article, just let me know. You shouldn't have to take garbage from someone who doesn't even see fit to create an account. Sorry if I bit too hard. - Lucky 6.9 06:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

"Jesus" talk page

Sorry; I'm the one who deleted the page in order to give it a fresh start. It was hit by a vandal account, User:EightyOne, now permanently blocked. Again, good luck. - Lucky 6.9 06:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

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Hammasa Picture

Hey thanks for the notice, but actually I did not upload that picture. The user that uploaded it is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Kirbytime. Hopefully he will do something about it, it is a wonderful picture and would be a shame if we had to remove it. So please try to contact him. Thanks a lot. Parsiwan 10:37, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

lmao, lol. Sorry for that. Unfortuantly I dont. But the user "Tajik" is an expert here in Misplaced Pages. I think asking his advice would be the best answer. So if you can, just ask "Tajik", I think he knows the answer. So try him, and Godspeed! Parsiwan 10:49, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Islamic extremist terrorism

You recently expressed views that were not based on political correctness, and actually paid attention to Misplaced Pages policies. Hence, I believe your input on this matter would be valuable. Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Islamic extremist terrorism. KazakhPol 04:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! KazakhPol 03:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair use images not allowed on userpages

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I celebrate Newtonmass myself

Isaac Newton was born on December 25. May the blessings of calculus be upon you. Zora 00:23, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Farsi References

Would you mind verifying the Farsi references on the MA page? That would be really cool -- we've been looking for someone that reads Persian for a while now to verify those links. Vir4030 21:52, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Christmas in the media

Sure, by all means, if you know what you are doing, go ahead and revert/edit my edit. I did a revert because I was quite concerned about how ... Belcantobach had removed so much content.=) Sorry for the misunderstanding.--Qwerty 02:56, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Kirbytime/America

Hi, I think you should consider asking for this part of your userspace deleted considering it has nothing to do with the encyclopedic purpose of this site as listed on WP:USER. Thanks in advance, Yanksox 06:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but your interpretation of WP:USER is a bit off. You state that it allows for "archives of user talk," which is correct, however, it does not apply in this circumstance unless someone else posted it on your talk page. You really need to read this and in particular, "Extensive personal opinions on matters unrelated to Misplaced Pages, wiki philosophy, collaboration, free content, the creative commons, etc." and "Polemical statements." Thanks, Yanksox 12:19, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Um it makes no difference if it is on the usertalk or userspace, according to the history you posted it there. So unless you provide a link to me, that means your lying. Yanksox 22:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I appreciated your beautiful behavior and your badgering back. Thanks for the comments, I've sent this up to MfD. Yanksox 00:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I nicely asked you to delete this and then pointed towards policy and reminded you that we should keep an encyclopedic mission in mind. Meanwhile, you are dragging your feet into the ground and calling me every name possible in a juvenile fashion. And yes, I am an admin, meaning I do what I can to keep everything running smoothly and nothing goes ajar. This isn't the first time that you have had major incivility issues. Honestly, if you are unafraid to call someone an "asshole" or to "shove (something) up (their) ass," I have to question what you are like outside of this. If you help with Misplaced Pages, that's one thing. However, harassing and bickering in a senile manner is another. I think you need to relax and, to be frank, stop being a complete hothead. Thanks, Yanksox 04:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

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re:That comment was to a user who was banned for spamming

I understand how frustrating it gets with vandals and the like (users who get themselves banned), and I have on numerous occasions typed hostile responses into the edit box but removed them before saving. It was a long time ago and you haven't made comments like that in months (I think) so it's no big deal but it caught my eye when I was searching the history of your talk page for the contents of your subpage. James086 03:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

OK

Check your mail. >Radiant< 10:03, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Islamist Terrorism name.

Hi there. Just wanted to say thanks for your support on the Islamist Terrorism talk page.

I really think this definition "Islamist Terrorism" has to go; it pushes a particular worldview and it is full of negative connotations. It also lacks any real meaning.

Do you think the term "Muslim Radicalism" would be more acceptable?

Thanks again Alexander.Hainy 12:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Your signature

Kirbytime, might you consider simplifying your signature? It is distracting, and takes up two full lines in my edit window. Additionally, your religious commentary is unnecessary, and may cause others to question your willingness to remain neutral towards the topic to which you refer.Proabivouac 07:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

"What exactly would you want me to change about my signature?"

I would first get rid of the non-ascii characters, which are ugly noise, and then the religious link, with or without the green heart. That is just my opinion, naturally.Proabivouac 09:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

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I'm not stalking you; don't make baseless accusations, and don't levy careless threats. Frankly, you keep reverting even as people complain that you don't discuss your changes on the talk page to reach consensus. So what if I have edited Ahmadinejad? It's not like I didn't discuss my proposed changes on the talk page. I don't accuse you of decimating the article, but your edits aren't productive unless there is consensus to have them stay. Please discuss the edits in question on the talk page, thanks. The Behnam 05:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

hmm

Could you let me try out your program? the jave one you needed help with --D.H. • (A)•(E)•(I)•(O)•(U)•(Y) 23:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Well...

I cannot test it if I cannot locate it. Cheers, --D.H. • (TextMe)•(MyWork) 20:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Youtube links

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How did you get that on your page? tell me! that message box--Lolicon(Anti Child Porn)Saikano 17:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Apostolic Writings

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Vandalizing User Talk pages is not legitimate

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It's nice to know that you believe in a mockery of an absurdity. Judaism itself is already bad enough with the invisible man in the sky Please refrain from POV remarks that attempt to harm or ridicule the beliefs of certain groups. It is not appropriate. In case you care, Judaism's covenant is not with the "invisible man in the sky" but with ha-Sheim, G-d, who exists outside our definable universe and its timestream, created it, and set in motion all the processes that would allow lesser concepts such as "man" and "sky" to develop.

but now you gotta falsify the messianic prophecies? Messianics (again, if you care) do not "falsify the Messianic prophecies". Attempting to falsify information is against Torah. We believe that the Messianic prophecies of the Tanakh undoubtedly point to one particular Palestinian teacher in the first century.

You don't own the fucking template. Watch your language. Furthermore, I neither "own" the template nor anything on this website. However it would be completely reasonable to state that, with a great deal of certainty, adherents of Messianic Judaism are probably going to know more about the details of their religion than people that are not Messianic. Noogster 22:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Disagree

You did not explain why you disagree on each of those tenets .?--CltFn 01:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

If you are against revert-wars

Please take a look at Criticism of Muhammad where Arrow is removing sourced material. . --Aminz 01:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Let me explain what is going on behind Arrow's edits. He wants to remove the following from Encyclopedia of Islam:

the really powerful factor in Muhammad’s life and the essential clue to his extraordinary success was his unshakable belief from beginning to end that he had been called by God. A conviction such as this, which, once firmly established, does not admit of the slightest doubt, exercises an incalculable influence on others. The certainty with which he came forward as the executor of God’s will gave his words and ordinances an authority that proved finally compelling."

He wants to remove the following argument from Muir regarding sincerety of Muhammad in the Meccan peroiod:

"It is strongly corroborative of Mahomet's sincerity that the earliest converts to Islam were not only of upright character, but his own bosom friends and people of his household; who, intimately acquainted with his private life, could not fail otherwise to have detected those discrepancies which ever more or less exist between the professions of the hypocritical deceiver abroad and his actions at home."

--Aminz 01:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Please also note Arrow's distortion of Watt: "but they acknowledge that some of the material came from "beyond his conscious mind." While Watt in The Cambridge History of Islam, doesn't say "some of the material", but all of them. He says Modern historians must accept that the material came from "beyond his conscious mind." --Aminz 01:26, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Good thing I found my way here. The article you have mentioned should not be weighted toward the apologetic side. Also, Watt is not the only person commenting on the issue of the source of Muhammad's works. Others have taken a more circumspect approach and have used language like "some." I seem to remember Welch being one of those people. So changing it to "some" while still citing Watt is acceptable, as he is one of the sources for the content of that sentence, but not the only one. Arrow740 02:08, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

"Others have taken a more circumspect approach and have used language like "some."" Any sources? --Aminz 04:02, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Please don't carry this debate here. Use the talk page of the respective article. --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 04:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Your claim of being a Former muslim

You claimed on a User's page that you are a Former muslim. Can I know some of the reasons why you left Islam? thanks! --Matt57 20:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Why is Ali an idiot? For example he says that Mohammed married nine year old Aisha and for that reason Ali labelled him as a pedophile. Do you agree or disagree? Also, what makes you think Mohammed was not a messenger of Allah? Also, you dodged my question: Did you not find any defects in Islam before you decided to leave it? This is what I was asking for obviously. --Matt57 23:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

You're not answering my questions. Can you show me on your blog, a page where you mentioned your leaving Islam and why you left it? I'm not believing for one instant that you are a former Muslim. I dont see any signs of it on your blog. You have not criticized Islam anywhere and your indifference to me asking you why you left Islam, or whether you found any defects in it - shows that you are not a former Muslim. Also I find it strange that you're an Iranian with the name of "Jason Maker", but thats ok, but its a pen name. Its not significant. So can I ask you the question again and hope to get an answer this time? ---> Did you find any defects in Islam before you left it? What is there in those 4 words you mentioned (naturalistic hedonistic egoist utilitarianism) that you did not find in Islam? You either return a product becuase its defective, OR you return it becuase you found a better one. I want to know why you returned this product "Islam". Your way of responding to this query will tell me whether you are still a Muslim or not. You should know that it is always better to tell the truth. --Matt57 04:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll look forward to reading that debate. If you remember, let me know when you post that link. --Matt57 05:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Kirby, why do you have that Heart linking to Islam in your signature? This is Taqiyya. It backfires, you should know. You should be proud of the fact that you are a Muslim, instead you claim to be a former muslim. Now I know why you hate Ali Sina so much because he's Iranian but an ex-Muslim. Look what the soldiers are preparing for your "freedom fighters", the name you lovingly gave to the terrorists. You should join them and get the 'rewards' they are promised they'll get when they die. --Matt57 13:45, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Hi Kirbytime,

I have been reading your posts on wikipedia recently. I would be happy to have a religous dialog (not a debate), one that you can put on your blog :) How does that sound? :) --Aminz 06:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Great. Just one point, I feel I need to do a lot of research for this dialog. For example, I may need to find/read what different scholars have said about the issue in discussion. So, I may be a little bit slow for which I would apologize at the begining. BTW, I am also Iranian :) Cheers, --Aminz 06:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I will send you a wiki-email. Cheers, --Aminz 06:16, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to see this debate link when you guys are done. Is this what you were talking about, Kirby? --Matt57 13:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Happy Pi Day!!

Happy Pi Day Kirbytime! Having any Pi today? :) (How's my driving?) ❖ 07:34, 14 March 2007 (UTC)