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Order of Knights of the Hospital of St. Lazarus of Jerusalem

Any information about the Order of St. Lazarus of Jerusalem?

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Proposed Merger

The two new articles should not be merged with this one. They are written by representatives of Don Grady, and put forward fraudulent text from a blatantly self styled order. These two articles should be deleted rather than merged into this one.

New Picture

If someone could find the cross of Knights Hospitaller (which I believe was a white cross on a black background) or their seal and replace the portrait of the Knight at the top of the page, that would be a big improvement.

official language

for the constitution of the order http://www.orderofmalta.org/pdf/costituzione.pdf the only official language is the italian.

Transition period

During the 17-years transition period between the defeat of Malta and the General Peace, the head of the Order was named Lieutentant of the Magistery and it was ad interim the Grand Master of the Order. A free article of Notes and Queries (4 April 1863, Oxoford University Press) argues that "it is an important fact, and implies that the Order could not have been in the disintegrated state in which it is represented to have been". So it is relevant for the WP article, as well as for the history of that period.

The article cited the Synoptical Sketch whose text is available there (at p. 21). One of the authors is the Grand Secretary and Magister in repect of which Grand Magister' and Grand Master' sound to be the same charge.

The same N&Q of 4 April 1863 was notably replied few days later by the Freemasons Monthly Magazine (April 18, 1863, p.3), as to establish an implicit connection between the Sovereign Military Order of Malta (in the XVIII century) and the Scottish Rite Freemasonry refounded some decades before. England had a role in the defeat of Napoleon who led the French occupation of Malta. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.51.12.102 (talk) 09:08, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Congress of Verona (1822)

Did the Congress of Verona in 1822 "guarantee the continued existence of the Catholic order as a sovereign entity"? In terms of international law, is the Order "an establishment of the 19th century, recognized at the Congress of Verona of 1822"? If so, is there a reliable source for these statements? Jeff in CA (talk) 09:03, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Exile

"the formality of electing a brother Chief to discharge the office of Grand Master, and thus to preserve the vitlaiy of the Sovereign Institute, was duty attended to"

I can't find language ressembling this in the cited sources. I am unfamiliar with the noun "vitlaiy", which I suppose might be a typo of "vitality". I haven't bothered to correct it, because I intend to delete the sentence as "Not supported by cited sources", and because I have no way of knowing if my interpretation is correct. I'll leave that deletion for a couple of days, to give fellow editors who are better-informed than me to correct the passage, or put me straight on my reading of the sources. MrDemeanour (talk) 11:26, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Sir Miles Davis

Hello, see Miles Davis (later years) to find a cited claim that the Knights of Malta honoured the jazz legend with a knighthood. This is impossible and yet there it is. Ha Ha - it is clearly someone's joke from 1988. Question: The notes in this article clearly show they do not honour artists and their work is of a completely different nature. It will not make any sense to a reader. What should be done?Thelisteninghand (talk) 21:26, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Thelisteninghand, I don't get it - why do you say that this is "impossible" and "someone's joke"? Elizium23 (talk) 01:12, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Because both are true.Thelisteninghand (talk) 15:36, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Thelisteninghand, you have no source or documentation or evidence that this is so. It's just your say-so. It's textbook WP:OR. This is Misplaced Pages, where we summarize what the sources say, not impose our own conjectures. Elizium23 (talk) 15:49, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Incorrect. The evidence is the documentation that shows the Sovereign Order of St John do not and have never honoured artists PLUS the fact stated in this article that they are often impersonated. Yes that's textbook OR agreed. But it is not simply an opinion. I cannot edit on this basis obviously which is why the text is still there. I realise this is WP.Thelisteninghand (talk) 16:02, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Thelisteninghand, no artist has ever joined the SMOM? I find that hard to believe and even harder to document. Elizium23 (talk) 16:08, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Elizium23 Please look for yourself. https://www.orderofmalta.int Thelisteninghand (talk) 19:27, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Thelisteninghand, I see the front page of their website. Where is the disclaimer, "artists are not welcome as members"? Elizium23 (talk) 00:12, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Elizium23 https://en.wikipedia.org/Category:Knights_of_Malta Sir Miles Davis is not a member. You should provide a citation from SMOM of any case, at any time, of knighthood of a jazz musician. Thelisteninghand (talk) 17:50, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

In addition to the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, there are a number of other groups which call themselves "Knights of Malta". Some of these claim a connection with the Russian priory of the early 19th century. Others are Masonic organisations. When a source says that somebody is a "Knight of Malta", it does not necessarily mean that the individual belongs to the Sovereign Military Order of Malta. Noel S McFerran (talk) 00:17, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

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