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Changing the official language to only Romanian as it is stated in the Declaration of Independence and in the 2013 ruling of the Constitutional Court of Moldova that the language is Romanian. Kapanol420 (talk) 13:55, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

The field is named "Official language and national language" and this is sourced.  // Timothy :: talk  14:36, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
@TimothyBlue: please have a look at this edit and let me know what you think. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 16:23, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
I know I'm not the Timothy person, but it looks good to me. I've accordingly closed the edit request. @M.Bitton Actualcpscm (talk) 21:51, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
In progress: An editor is implementing the requested edit. Actualcpscm (talk) 21:52, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
If you are going to replace existing content with references, you need to explain with sources why the information is incorrect and why the sources should be removed and what sources are replacing them.  // Timothy :: talk  22:02, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
In 1991, the Declaration of Independence of Moldova named the official language as Romanian. In December 2013, the Constitutional Court of Moldova ruled that the Declaration of Independence takes precedence over the Constitution, and the state language should be called "Romanian". On March 2, 2023, the Moldovan parliament voted in the first reading to replace the phrase "Moldovan language" with "Romanian language" in all legislation of the country. The proposed law was introduced by a group of members of the "Action and Solidarity Party" fraction. Additionally, phrases such as "official language," "state language," and "mother tongue" will also be replaced. The authors of the proposal argue that this change is necessary to implement the constitutional considerations outlined in the decisions of the Constitutional Court, which declared that the state language of the Republic of Moldova is Romanian. The bill also proposes that the National Holiday "Our Language," as it is currently referred to, be renamed "Romanian Language." The proposal passed its first reading with 56 votes in favor.
You need anything else, chief? Kapanol420 (talk) 11:18, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
The information on the page reflects this. Are you saying Moldovan is not a major national language in Moldova? or that the sources you are seeking to remove are not reliable? You're proposing removing reliability sourced information is a POV edit. Do not remove reliably sourced information unless you have a consensus that the sources are incorrect. If necessary you can go to the dispute resolution noticeboard WP:DRN.  // Timothy :: talk  11:25, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/moldovan-parliament-approves-law-romanian-language-2023-03-16/
There you go it's over now, you can go and cry, bye Kapanol420 (talk) 13:49, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
No one is disputing this, but your attempt to remove Moldovan and only list Romanian as a language (which is sourced) because you think "Moldovan language doesn't exist it was invented by Russians to give Moldovans a separate identity" (see reference below) is unacceptable. I thought you would take the hint to drop this when an admin removed your comment, but since you have decided to continue, maybe this behavior should be looked into further.  // Timothy :: talk  14:10, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
-)))) go outside and enjoy life you seem sad af
Kapanol420 (talk) 14:07, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
@TimothyBlue: Can you please put a reliable source saying Moldovan is "the national language of Moldova" as you claim? Because both the CIA World Factbook and Encyclopedia Britannica (the sources you've put to claim Moldovan was a language) both say Moldovan is not a language but the official name of Romanian in Moldova, and it's not even official anymore as of 16th March 2023 this was changed by the Parliament of Moldova.
So can you provide reliable sources saying Moldovan is a language and it's the national language as you've claimed several times? Because if I check Moldovan Language it clearly says it was an alternative name for Romanian, despite you saying the opposite, the Wikipage doesn't agree with your words, so can you provide alternative reliable sources that match your point?
And that means reliable sources clearly saying "Moldovan language" is a separate language (as you claim) not ones that just mention Moldovan because before 16th March 2023 was the official name of the Romanian language in Moldova, like it says in the CIA World Factbook source Navarran94 (talk) 21:43, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
The change of constitution that change the name of the language was signed by president on 22 March 2023. That means that the official languange is called Romanian.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/moldovan-president-signs-decree-on-referring-to-national-language-as-romanian/2853850 RTech83 (talk) 11:43, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Comment: Kapanol420 had a nationalist POV rant removed from this page today, here is the diff . I think this shows what this edit request is about and that is should be rejected. Kapanol420 is headed for a block from contributing to Romanian and Moldovan articles.  // Timothy :: talk  15:28, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

New source for Moldova's official language

The actual source is from Reuters (very legit source) but I think it can be replaced for an even better source, the official Parliament of Moldova website. This is the link: https://multimedia.parlament.md/adoptat-de-parlament-sintagma-limba-romana-va-fi-introdusa-in-toate-legile-republicii-moldova/ as a side note, it also says all official texts that included the denomination "Moldovan language" will be effectively replaced to Romanian language. Navarran94 (talk) 19:47, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

No one is disputing that the Moldovan parliment declared Romanian the official langauge for government use.
This does not mean that Moldovan doesn't exist as a national language. Attempting to obscure information about their relationship and history does not improve the article and it does not help readers understand the situation; The only thing it does is take sides in a nationalist POV push. The government descision does not mean Moldovan disappears from use or never existed.  // Timothy :: talk  20:03, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Dude, what are you talking about? Did you even read 2 phrases of the wikipage Moldovan language? Moldovan, also known historically as Moldavian, was a local name of the Romanian language in Moldova. So it literally says it was the local name of the Romanian language (not even valid anymore, as it's a defunct name) yer you still claim Moldovan is a separate language. What's your point here? Your arguments make no sense.
Your edit attempts to shoehorn "Moldovan language" seem to be the ones coming from someone with a nationalist POV push. It's crystal clear that Moldovan was just a local name and not a language as you claim. As it has never been one. You can find all of this perfectly explained here: Moldovan language Wikipage.
And I would kindly ask you to stop with your disruptive behavior as I've just asked for a source replacement here, for an even better one. If you want to talk about your own POV you have the section from above, as you've made it. Navarran94 (talk) 20:57, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Reminds me of Filipino. The govt wanted to downplay that they were imposing one ethnic language, Tagalog, over the others by calling it "Filipino" and claiming that it was a different language. This ran into a speed bump because Filipino citizens are allowed translators in court if they do not speak fluent Filipino. One defendant demanded a translator because he only spoke Tagalog. The judge ruled that providing a translator would be frivolous because Filipino is Tagalog.

There is a difference here, in that Moldavian is written in Cyrillic. Not that that makes it a language, of course, but it does affect govt publications. I presume that that aspect of the standard is already defunct, at least in govt-controlled areas, in which case all that's left is the choice of name. I think "Romanian (officially 'Moldovan')" should be adequate, but added "pending change in law" for clarification. — kwami (talk) 20:07, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I presume that that aspect of the standard is already defunct, at least in govt-controlled areas, in which case all that's left is the choice of name. that is correct. It is on Moldova's constitution that "Moldovan" is to be written in the Latin alphabet. This alphabet portion will be removed once Romanian replaces Moldovan as it will be superfluous. And that Filipino/Tagalog note is an interesting addition. Super Ψ Dro 20:26, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
"Moldavian" as you call it is Stalin's invention. At first, the Moldovan SSR adopted Romanian orthography, but when exporting revolution to Romania failed, Stalin invented bastardized Cyrillic Moldovan. That is, it was not a return to Cyrillic Romanian. "Moldavian" was never a real language, only an orthographic tool of a totalitarian state to isolate the same people divided between Romania and Moldova. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 01:34, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Well, to attribute this "invention" to Stalin would be a superoversimplification. Please see the detailed exposition of the issue in "Moldovenism". There were plenty of moldovenists even before Stalin grabbed power. Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 15:51, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

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Add information related to the promulgation of the law that makes Romanian the only term by which the official language of the Republic of Moldova should be addressed. Source: https://presedinte.md/rom/comunicate-de-presa/presedinta-maia-sandu-a-promulgat-legea-care-confirma-ca-limba-de-stat-a-republicii-moldova-este-cea-romna Georgios Basiklios (talk) 17:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

I am not sure if there's still another step in the legal process. The 30-day period since 16/22 March (not sure when does it start) has not ended yet. I imagine things will become clearer in the next few days. It's literally been hours since Sandu promulgated the hour. I please ask users to drop the impatience. Misplaced Pages will eventually be updated, in under a month. All of this is just a waste of time for something that is going to happen anyway. Super Ψ Dro 19:47, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
The 30 day period will begin after the law gets published in the Official Gazette, which should happen most likely tommorow (seems to take place the day after promulgation). At that time the law will come into effect. The 30 day period is more of a time limit for the modifications to be realised: that is actually re-writing the constitution. This means the effects could be materialised earlier than the 30 day limit. You are right though, there is a bit of hurry that shouldn't be, but it's fueled by those that want to maintain the concept of the Moldovan Language as the language of Moldova regardless of the coming change. Hopefully this drama will be soon over.
Georgios Basiklios (talk) 21:07, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Sandu signed into law that Moldova's language is Romanian

"The President of Moldova, Maia Sandu, signed a law on Wednesday, which establishes the "Romanian language" in all laws of the country instead of "Moldovan" and "maternal" languages." https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2023/03/22/7158464/ MuriloHDD (talk) 09:17, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

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Language law published in Monitorul Official

The law changing all references to “Romanian language” has been published in the Monitorul Official today () so we can finally go ahead and change the references. De wafelenbak (talk) 10:50, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

De wafelenbak, as the law project stated, legislative changes will take place within 30 days of the law entering into force. That was only today. When the constitution is changed we will see lots of press releases and articles about it. Right now there are not any, because it has not happened. Super Ψ Dro 17:59, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
By the way, please do not revert my edit that requires citation. Because, as you say the official language formally remains Moldovan and the statement in question is formally false. Or you expand the text in this place with detailed explanation. Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 18:06, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
I interpreted that edit as if you thought the 1991 declaration of independence was outdated because of the 2023 changes. Apologies. Super Ψ Dro 18:13, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

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Costin21ro (talk) 16:54, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

scrieti la gini index 25,7 intrati pe linkul de la bibliografieCostin21ro (talk) 16:54, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: not communicating in English. M.Bitton (talk) 17:06, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
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