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School curricula changes

"changing school curricula to focus more on Taiwan's own history to the exclusion of China". So no Chinese history is being taught at all? They aren't even learning about it as a foreign history? They don't learn anything about the Chinese Civil War or how the KMT ended up in Taiwan? China isn't being "excluded", it is simply no longer the focus. Readin (talk) 06:02, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

The statement of Sun Yat Sen is being treated proves that China isn't being "excluded". Readin (talk) 06:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Please read the sentence again. It does not say that the curriculum is to the exclusion of China; it says the curriculum focuses on Taiwan's own history to the exclusion of China, as opposed to treating Taiwan's history as part of Chinese history, as was the norm previously. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 02:45, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Previously the norm was to not pay attention to Taiwanese history at all.

Perhaps better wording would be "revising textbooks and changing school curricula to focus more on Taiwan's separate history rather than treating Taiwan's history only as it related to China."Readin (talk) 14:26, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

That's simplistic and sensationalistic. The curriculum changes were more about excluding China than focussing on Taiwan. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 23:34, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Inconguities

"These policies sometimes led to incongruities such as the "Father of the Country" Sun Yat-sen being treated as a "foreign" (Chinese) historical figure." That statement isn't very encyclopedic. Readin (talk) 06:02, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I didn't add this sentence, but stuff like this happened. I remember when the minister of justice (DPP) was asked by reporters whether he considered Bao Zheng, the Chinese god of justice he was dressing up for an event, a "foreigner". In addition, some textbooks began referring to historical China in history books as "China" rather than "our country" as customary. Blueshirts (talk) 06:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Why isn't it encyclopaedic? It is an example of how the school curriculum changed, and adds content to what is otherwise a generalising statement. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 02:44, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I reworded it so make it more neutral as to whether Sun was foreign or the father of the country.

on the incongruities theme

How can this be: "Mobile penetration rate stands at just over 100%" ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.213.246.133 (talk) 02:03, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Taiwanese Cuisine

The section on Taiwanese cuisine talks almost entirely about the foreign foods from places like China and Japan. Bubble Tea, which originated in Taiwan, gets a mention, but hardly anything else that comes from Taiwan. I don't have sources to use, but it would seem that an article about the cuisine of a nation of 23 million people, 90% of whom come from families that have been there for hundreds of years, and another portion being aboriginies, would have some dishes that were developed in the country. Some should be listed, even if they are simply changes to dishes that originated elsewhere (like the American hot dog started as a German food, but achieved its present form in America and can thus be called an American invention). Readin (talk) 06:10, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

-_- Oh come on Readin. Are you seriously telling me that Taiwanese cuisine is not a branch of Chinese cuisine? It's comprehensively based on Fujian cuisine and developed with influence from all the other cuisine styles which have become widespread in Taiwan since 1945.

Just because the development of the regional cuisine has been influenced by decidedly foreign cultures does not make it necessarily separate. Shanghainese cuisine is hugely influenced by continental (European) and Russian cuisine. Does that make it non-Chinese? I doubt it. Ditto for Hong Kong cuisine.

Aboriginal cuisine is, of course, different from Chinese cuisine. But widespread is its influence in mainstream Taiwanese cuisine? I would say - very little. It should be mentioned but treated separately from mainstream Taiwanese cuisine.

I keep saying this, but Taiwan is not America. Taiwanese is not to Chinese what American is to German/Anglo Saxons/French. The base assumptions are just too far apart for the analogy to work properly. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 02:43, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually it is exactly that. If you call American cuisine different from European, or deny that it is a mixture of European cuisines, then it is exactly the same with Taiwanese cuisine. Indeed, it has Chinese, Japanese and even Korean influences, but even it's own dishes from the aborigines. Or did you ever eat bat in China? 快樂龍 14:19, 17 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuaile Long (talk • contribs)

Culture of Taiwan and views

The book: Wachman, Alan. Taiwan: National Identity and Democratization. M.E. Sharpe, 1994. ISBN 1563243989, 9781563243981. Pages 122-123.

... talks about how some groups view Taiwanese culture as a part of Chinese culture, and some don't

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