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A previous religious affiliated organization?

I seem to remember a previous organization named (iirc) "Oath Keepers" (I don't think it is related to this organization).

IIRC, I ran into the organization at various church functions, and, iiuc, their focus was on father's fulfilling their fatherhood (my choice of words).

Does anybody remember that organization? Did I get the name wrong? Does it still exist? Is it related or somehow a predecessor of this organization?

Thanks for any information! I'm sorry if this entry doesn't meet the criteria for appearing on a talk page -- hmm, but if there is another organization with the same name, I think it should be mentioned (and "disambiguated" somewhere (if not related to this organization)).

Rhkramer (talk) 14:48, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Promise Keepers. At the top of this article there is a "not to be confused with" cross-link. They are unrelated except for the similar name. VQuakr (talk) 17:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! I was (indeed) confused. Rhkramer (talk) 19:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Include sources in the template

"Ideology" and "Allegiance" need source and notes. 93.45.229.98 (talk) 12:54, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2023

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Adding sources for the ideology parameter. 93.45.229.98 (talk) 15:36, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:39, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

@Voorts

These ideologies in the infobox need sources:

American nationalism

Conservatism

Right-libertarianism

White supremacy (alleged, denied by the organization)

Trumpism 93.45.229.98 (talk) 06:21, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

@93.45.229.98 Edit requests are not for asking other people to do work for you. voorts (talk/contributions) 11:51, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

@Voorts I can't edit the article there is a block, so I made an edit request. 93.45.229.98 (talk) 13:01, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

@93.45.229.98 Yes, but it's your obligation to provide sources, not the person answering your edit request. Please review WP:ER and WP:ERSAMPLE, provide reliable sources, and then reopen your edit request per the ER instructions. voorts (talk/contributions) 13:39, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

@Voorts No, maybe I wasn't clear. In the infobox, the ideology parameter has no source to support the ideologies (see WP:OR). If there are no sources please remove it (this is the edit request). 93.45.229.98 (talk) 13:59, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Reliable sources have described the organization's politics as all of those things, as reflected in the article. There doesn't need to be a citation for every point in the infobox. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:26, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

@Voorts In the article the terms "right-libertarianism," "white supremacy," etc. appear only in the infobox (and in the infobox there are no sources). 93.45.229.98 (talk) 11:55, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

A quick google search uncovers several reliable sources that describes the Oath Keepers using those (and other) terms. FIXTHEPROBLEM instead of pushing to delete things where sources exist. voorts (talk/contributions) 12:31, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

@Voorts Firstly, the sources must be cited in the article (not simply exist outside Misplaced Pages), secondly I can only make editing requests (because the article is protected), and third none of the sources you quoted describe Oath Keepers as "white supremacist."

In the first source "white supremacist group" refers to the Proud Boys; in the second source idem - article speaks of distinct groups KKK or neo-Nazi skinheads (white supremacists) and Three Percenters and Oath Keepers (far-right militias); CSIS article mentions islamophobia and nativism which is different from white supremacism.

The only source I found - similar to white supremacism - is in The Conversation in an article by a scholar who accuses both Donald Trump and Oath Keepers of being "white nationalists," ergo WP:FRINGE.

As I said it would be a case of putting sources for the rest of the ideologies as well. 93.45.229.98 (talk) 15:18, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2023

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I was a juror in the trial of Rhodes, Meggs, Caldwell, Watkins and Harrelson. This topic isn't covered well so there isn't much to edit, but, one thing that is wrong in the Oathkeepers post is that Thomas Caldwell, was not an Oathkeeper, he just knew them and supported them, but if I put on a Ravens Jersey and go to a game, it doesn't mean I'm a Baltimore Raven. Thomas Caldwell met them at a rally in Virginia and allowed them to camp at his farm in Berryville. His only other connection was staying at the same hotel with them and wearing a shirt for a picture on the morning on Jan 6. For the hotel part, he made a reservation there as he lived locally and gave advice to others that it was a good place to stay and those from Florida and Ohio, made a reservation at the same Comfort Inn, he didn't store his weapon with theirs, which according to him was an antique rifle that he brought only to show Ranger Doug. The Oathkeepers have a formal process to join their organization and Thomas Caldwell didn't complete it, he never should have been grouped as a "leader of the organization" and tried with them. I wish we could have found him not guilty of everything but he did go "out of bounds" on capitol grounds so we found him guilty of obstruction of a procedure and he deleted a bunch of Facebook messages the day that Jessica Watkins was contacted by the FBI so we found him guilty of destruction of evidence as from that point he reasonably could have assumed that he was going to be investigated. 216.81.94.73 (talk) 14:33, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 16:32, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

WP:NOR: Crypto-fascism

It is yet another ideology that is inserted without any source. 93.45.229.98 (talk) 15:26, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2023

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Remove crypto-fascism per no sources. 93.45.229.98 (talk) 17:00, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Done Cannolis (talk) 19:01, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

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