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Another interesting picture

Hi Rama, Acad Ronin I just added a Cammillieri picture here, albeit temporarily. I'm wondering whether or not we have identified the ships correctly, especially the Englishman? Slight inconsistancies between Roux, Cammillieri and the article. Build date for Comtesse Emeriau? Coincidentally, this sailor also comes from Martiques. This article gives Comtesse and Princess for the name of the ship, I begin to wonder if we have the same pirate, even, for this and the previous messages about the Mouche? Another article _ Broichmore (talk) 17:36, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

OK. The English ship was Harvey, Atkinson, master, of 260 tons (bm), launched at Whitby in 1802. The English account of the capture is in Lloyd's List. "The Marine List". Lloyd's List. No. 4507. 2 November 1810. hdl:2027/hvd.32044105232938. Unfortunately, I can't find her in Wetherill's book on Whitby and its shipping. If I could, I would be willing to chance a small article on Harvey. A secondary source and a picture would go a long way to establishing notability. An English article on Countess Emerieau would be possible, but would take a long time to prepare. Between the picture and the French sources it would be OK. Regards, Acad Ronin (talk) 19:26, 26 July 2023 (UTC) Acad Ronin (talk) 19:26, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello,

The ship was named Comtesse Émeriau, or Comtesse d'Émeriau, feminine (i.e. "la", not "le"). Probably sucking u as an indirect hommage to Maxime Julien Émeriau de Beauverger who was maritime prefect of Toulon, and therefore in charge of authorising such ventures in the area. Émeriau was a Count in the nobility system of the First French Empire. "Princesse" is not listed in Demerliac, and would make no sense given the context.

Comtesse Émeriau (no 2479, p.300), privateer from Sète commissioned in September 1809. From September 1809 to June 1812 under J.-A. Ytier with 110 to 118 men, and 11 guns (5 carronades and 6 swivel guns). Captured in June 1812 by HMS Badger.

Cheers! Rama (talk) 08:30, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Volcan and Conception

Hi Rama, Acad Ronin, I got this picture a while ago and seperately a cropped detail of it. The institution got horribly mixed up on the title, they differ for both images. I believe this is The Pinco Conception in Battle with Xebec Le Volcan, 1804. The Volcan is flying a British flag, RN? Its not inconceivable that the names are mixed up against type here. I can't find the caption, its been chopped off. Any ideas? Broichmore (talk) 09:53, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Not quite clear what is in the canton of the flag of the xebec, but it certainly could be the Red Ensign.

In 1804 the Republic of Italy was an ally of France, so either Volcan was the literal name of the xebec but she was in the hands of an enemy of Italy, or Volcan is a translation.

Cheers! Rama (talk) 14:55, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

It's this pic, that shows the British flag? Dont know if you saw it? Broichmore (talk) 16:08, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Ah yes, the image I saw was lower resolution, this one leaves no doubt. Definitly the British Red Ensign. Rama (talk) 17:40, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

So far, I haven't been able to find a Volcano in Lloyd's Register or Lloyd's List. Acad Ronin (talk) 23:35, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

French Naval Ship at sail

Hi Rama, Is there any value to uploading this image? Best regards. Broichmore (talk) 09:03, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello,

there is always value in such images, be it for the image itself. Now, of course, I am not sure that I see any French warship on this image, but that is another question...

Cheers! Rama (talk) 10:06, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll leave it for another. If it's a type I woud load it. I don't upload fantasy stuff, knowingly as a rule. Broichmore (talk) 14:15, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Demerliac request 10 August 2023

Hi Rama, could you please see if Demerliac has anything on the following two privateers: 1}Jeune Adele in the article Pitt (1799 ship); 2) Legere, in the article Sultana (1787 ship)?. Thanks, Acad Ronin (talk) 23:33, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello,

• Jeune Adèle (no 2745, p.321): privateer schooner commissioned in Guadeloupe circa June 1806, with cruises in June, October November of that year under a Captain Le Prieur with 61 men and 14 6-pounders.
• Légère: not quite certain but she might be no 2590 p.286: privateer from an unknown home port, operating in the Mediterranean from April 1799, captured by HMS Flora on 28 April 1799.

Cheers! Rama (talk) 07:53, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Both useful, particularly Jeune Adele. It is unusual that we have useful info from the Caribbean. I have added the info to the two articles. Regards, Acad Ronin (talk) 11:01, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

I was impressed to see how much you managed to gather about Légère, you have much more than Demerliac! Rama (talk) 12:28, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I have to credit Google, and particularity Google books. Regard, Acad Ronin (talk) 22:22, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Demerliac request 14 August 2023

Hi Rama, in 1798, A French privateer named Zeliee, or Zele, captured Betsey (1790 ship), and I am hoping that Demerliac has something on the privateer. Thanks, Acad Ronin (talk) 22:24, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

In 1806, the privateer Guadaloupienne captured Ariadne. Does Demerliac have anything on Guadaloupienne?. Thanks, Acad Ronin (talk) 17:02, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello,

• Zélé (no 2293, p.263), a privateer from Nantes commissioned in December 1798. Cruise from December 1798 under René-Joseph Salaun until captured by HMS Melpomene on 28 February 1799.
• Gouadeloupéenne: I have no ship of that name or close that matches the date, sorry.

Cheers! Rama (talk) 17:01, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. A 50% hit rate is not bad for what we are doing. By the way, how would you translate the phrase, "La Zele amarina La Charlotte"? I found a small reference to Zele in Nicolierre-Teijero's book on the Nantes corsairs, but am not sure how to translate that. Regards, Acad Ronin (talk) 17:48, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

"Zélé took possession of Charlotte". A rather special sense for "amariner" that few native speakers would know, assuming they would know that verb at all. Cheers! Rama (talk) 18:29, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Thought so. Interestingly, neither Google translate nor Bing had any clue. So clearly, a very unusual use. Nicolierre-Teijero's book was published in 1896, and was specialized, so unsurprising that he used it. Cheers, Acad Ronin (talk) 19:47, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of 203mm/55 Modèle 1931 gun

The article 203mm/55 Modèle 1931 gun has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

This weapon did not exist, Conway's 1922-1946 and French Cruisers 1922-1956 all state Algerie only had the modele 1924. The only "modele 1931" is the turret mounting used on Algerie which is already mentioned in the modele 1924 article. And from going through a few books on the French cruisers, Naval Weapons of World War Two seems to be the only book that actually mentions its existence (Jane's Fighting Ships also mentions an improved gun, but doesn't provide any details other than "better shells and longer range", which the other 2 books (and even Naval Weapons) state is because of newly introduced shells in the late 1920s/early 1930s) and is probably the origin of this misconception

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Demerliac request 25 August 2023

Hi Rama: in 1807, the French privateer General Ferrand captured Beaver (1796 ship). In 1793, the English privateer Resolution (1793 privateer) captured two French vessels, St Jean de Lone, which may have had a letter of marque, and Vigie, which was a privateer. Also, in 1799, Resolution recaptured a vessel that the French privateer Bellona had captured. Does Demerliac have anything about these four vessels? Thanks, Acad Ronin (talk) 10:54, 25 August 2023 (UTC)