Talk:Assange v Swedish Prosecution Authority

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Assange arrested in Sweden?

I removed the following

Later that day, the duty prosecutor ordered the arrest of Julian Assange on the suspicion of rape and molestation.

If there was an order, I am pretty sure Assange was not actually arrested, and talked to the police in Sweden some days later. The referenced link is dead. So some research is required if this is to go back in, was he actually arrested or not?

Prosecutor Ny's abuse of process// extradition warrant.

"the Swedish authorities have never explained why they refuse to give Assange a guarantee that they will not extradite him" (a red herring that the Assange camp continues to spread, explained numerous times)

Sources: explained numerous

One reference is a Nordic Page and the other is the Guardian.

"This week, Amnesty International called on Sweden to provide a guarantee that if Assange travelled there to answer questions over the sex-crime allegations, he would not be sent on to the US for charges connected to WikiLeaks' publication of thousands of US diplomatic and military cables"

There was a blase response from Sweden

"A spokeswoman for the Swedish foreign ministry said the country's legislation did not allow any judicial decision like extradition to be predetermined."

Sweden's response would appear to be absolute nonsense. Immunities from prosecution are routinely handed out to all sorts of criminals in exchange for example information or testimony. In Assange's case despite already having Assange's statement, prosecutor Ny unreasonably issued an extradition process to drag Assange back to "Sweden" for "questioning". (Eventually a Swedish court ruled Assange's presence in Sweden was unnecessary for Ny's investigation)

Ny's unwarranted actions further fueled Assange's well documented and subsequently justified fears that he was being persecuted. Sweden has done nothing to dispel the allegation that Ny conspired to have Assange extradited to face the rage of the United States for publishing evidence leaked largely by it own appalled citizens.

Prosecutor Ny is at the center of the extradition process. That an English court upheld Ny's warrant to extradite Assange when his presence in Sweden was unnecessary for Ny's investigation brings the English Courts into disrepute. Its a basic legal principle that a court can not order an unnecessary act

Lets look at a hypothetical situation.

The English Crown Prosecution Service resists Ny's warrant because it clearly unnecessary to have Assange present in Sweden to further Ny's investigation.

Does this cause a diplomatic incident? No It is the just application of law.

Does this prevent Ny from investigating Assange. No. In fact it expedites Ny's investigation by removing an unnecessary process.

Does this prevent Ny from charging Assange? No Nye already has Assange's police statement and many others and can charge him in absentia.

Does this prevent the United States from extraditing Assange. No. The USA has an extradition treaty with the UK and is using it.

Does this allow Assange freedom and procedural justice? Yes. Assange can conduct his business and defend himself against persecution.

Does this cost the UK taxpayers millions of dollars? No. It is unlikely this course of action would cost much at all.

Does this deny alleged victims justice. No. Assange can be criminally charged or civil action taken against him.

Is anyone in any way hindered. Not significantly. Assange may still need to attend court. Ny has her nose put out of joint.

Is this a proper course of action for English Crown prosecutors. Yes. Prosecutors are officers of the court that are bound to assist the court act judicially. Court Officers are liable for the consequences of errors in law.

I just cannot see a valid reason for Ny issuing a warrant to extradite Assange who had already made his statement. Assange had a Swedish lawyer and would not be making further admissions. Short of torture or some sort of hypnotism to extract a confession what could be gained. I suppose there was the possibility of trying on some sort of honey trap operation to ensnare Assange or laying bogus charges of some sort as police forces often do. Then again I guess Ny may just have wanted to meet the famous Julian Assange. Maybe Ny thought she could seduce Assange or something similar. Whatever her reasons, it was a crazy thing for Ny to do resulting in a very disturbing and successful abuse of process.

None of this is in the article, which is odd. Also, not a word about Sweden justice dropping the charges and in which circumstances.

Recent edits

@Burrobert Thanks for improving my recent edits. I think youre still editing, and so far I agree with them except for the Sexual abuse category being Controversial given the investigation was dropped but I understand and unless consensus says its not controversial it is now i guess. I did see a category for sexual abuse cases that wasnt convictions or people charged, which he wasnt because they couldnt get to him. I was trying to add a category for the kind of case or investigation

The reason I took out inconsistent from Assange's supporters have accused the CPS of being inconsistent in its description of the status of the case. was I didnt see that in the the source, but might have missed it. So I showed the difference instead. If you saw where the source said supporters said it was inconsistent thats ok, thanks for finding it Softlemonades (talk) 16:09, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Regarding "inconsistent", the Guardian source says "Assange’s supporters allege that the CPS has been inconsistent in declaring whether or not the case was live".
Regarding the Sexual Abuse category, the category says "Sexual abuse (also referred to as molestation) is a general term used defined as the forcing of undesired sexual acts by one person to another". We can't make any judgements about what happened as the case was dropped. It may be appropriate to include this page in a category about Sexual abuse cases that did not proceed, or even just criminal cases that were dropped, if such categories exist. Burrobert (talk) 06:23, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
1 Thanks

2 Disagree but wont argue

I did see a category for sexual abuse cases shouldve been I didnt see Softlemonades (talk) 06:29, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

CPS email sent to

The CPS email was sent to two of them. Till means To and Kopia means Copied. The CPS lawyer names both of the prosecutors but the second name is deleted, and it ends Hope you are both well. I restored that it was sent to prosecutors but left other edits Softlemonades (talk) 13:30, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough, that makes sense. The significance of the sentence beginning "The prosecutor added that their webpage was ... " is that it is in reply to the CPS' complaint about journalists running to story about Sweden dropping the case ("Journalists!!!"). Perhaps we should spell out that connection. Burrobert (talk) 14:03, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Im not sure what text youre proposing but WP:Be bold Softlemonades (talk) 14:55, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Cite error: The named reference Swedish Prosecution Authority was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

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