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Unreasonable deletion of a high quality article

Ilya Kuprov was good faith article with peer-reviewed academic sources, describing research by an individual and reasonably (therefore) citing individual's peer-reviewed papers in research journals and authoritative web sites. Paper ranked C in two categories by independent Misplaced Pages editors. Surely the constructive way to proceed here is to fix the minor query, not banhammer. Petitioning to reinstate the article.

Update: I had a discussion at the appeals page; they declined reinstatement but suggested that I talk to you about returning the article to draft so that I could fix it. This is my first biographical article - perhaps indeed I wasn't terribly encyclopedic... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sciency Smith (talk • contribs) 16:52, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Replied on user talk page, self-sourced bio by COI editor Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:57, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Unreasonable deletion

I would like to know as to why the draft on Podim Conference was deleted. The event is of significant importance for entrepreneurship in Maribor and the wider country of Slovenia, as well as the Balkan area. The sources are various websites, even government websites, and newspaper websites that contribute to the legitimacy of the event. I have found similar events on Misplaced Pages as well, for example, Slush (event), which seems to be okay? The page for Podim was done in a similar manner. Granted, the conference is much smaller in scale, but its roots go way back to 1980 when the event first happened. The purpose of the page is definitely not advertisement by any means, just represents the role it has in the region, as well as the validity of the event. Feedback as to why it was so promptly deleted would be greatly appreciated, as well as some tips on how to improve it or make it appropriate for Misplaced Pages. Thank you in advance. Tovarnapodjemov (talk) 08:58, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Please Restore Pay4Me

Can you restore Pay4Me draft? I will have to readjust every promotional or advertising content that made you delete the draft. The draft was not intended to serve as these issues. Thank you InspirErnest (talk) 07:28, 10 October 2023 (UTC).

Replied on user talk page, fact-free promo sourced to the company's founder Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:06, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Hawken Horse (Band)

Could you please restore my submission? I'm confused by the G11 deletion for the draft of Hawken Horse Band. I provided an overview of the band, as well as background of it's creator. This isn't created for promotion as cited, but as a reference page as they are a notable band in their niche market. Echy1566 (talk) 20:29, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

• Replied on user talk page, promo for band with no proper refs or evidence of notability Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:26, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Business Model Ontology

The draft: Business Model Ontology was deemed as copyright infringement due to this book: https://itfes.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Business-Model-Ontology-1.pdf

I am the author of the book. In the book you can see a thesis, which is my thesis which I also defended successfully. As this was the reason for the deletion I believe the deletion of the draft should be canceled as I am allowing the use of the texts. If for any reason Misplaced Pages still doesn't want to use the same texts, I would like to have the chance to rewrite them. I would need a few days to do so. I didn't had any chance now because the page was immediately deleted so I couldn't do anything about it, or explain the situation. I did mention before that I wrote a thesis on the topic of BMO. It is on my talk page from October 23. Discussion with 331dot .

The following is the given reason for deletion which I oppose:

18:25, 10 October 2023 Jimfbleak talk contribs deleted page Draft:Business Model Ontology (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of https://itfes.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Business-Model-Ontology-1.pdf) Leonard Gauthier (talk) 07:05, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Leonard Gauthier, You must not copy text from elsewhere. Copyrighted text is not allowed in Misplaced Pages, as outlined in this policy. That applies even to pages created by you or your organisation, unless they state clearly and explicitly that the text is public domain. We require that text posted here can be used, modified and distributed for any purpose, including commercial; text is considered to be copyright unless explicitly stated otherwise. There are ways to donate copyrighted text to Misplaced Pages, as described here; please note that simply asserting on the talk page that you are the owner of the copyright, or you have permission to use the text, isn't sufficient. Your text was tagged ALL RIGHTS RESERVED No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted, in any form or by any means – electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording or otherwise – without prior written permission, except for the inclusion of brief quotations in a review. That is not consistent with our requirements of free use for any purpose by anyone. Your images also appear to be taken from the book. Copyright violations will not be restored. You say you are giving permission, but we can't verify who you are, or whether you or ITFES own the copyright; we can only go by the published copyright notice

You have an obvious conflict of interest, which you are required to declare on your user page. Please don't write about your own research.

A master's thesis is unlikely to be regarded as notable. Much of the text is unreferenced, referenced to your own publications, or to other primary sources. we need independent third-party sources Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:06, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying. The theory of Business model ontology is not my own research. It is research that started in 1997 and i am not a part of it. I only say that some of the texts I used are mine and my thesis made a metaresearch on the topic. I didn't create this knowledge. You are right that a master thesis is not notable research that can create some new type of scientific knowledge. No doubt about that. Anyways, I will read more about Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest about the texts that overlap. Leonard Gauthier (talk) 08:45, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

I don't claim to be an expert on releasing copyright, but the details are Misplaced Pages:Donating_copyrighted_materials#Granting_us_permission_to_copy_material_already_online You can't change your master's text, so it's the latter part releasing text already on line that matters. I think we need an email from iftes phrased as directed in that section. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:43, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

The email was sent from itfes to wikipedia just now and I sent you an email with the content. Leonard Gauthier (talk) 10:18, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Leonard Gauthier OK, I'll restore the text, to which you should add the permission pending template as per the instructions as soon as possible. Note that the article may, of course be challenged on other grounds, such as incomplete or non-third-party referencing Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:29, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I added the permission pending template. Leonard Gauthier (talk) 12:51, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Guide me on publishing the article Global Alliance for Mass Entrepreneurship

I saw that the article was not published due to conflict of interest reason but I would like to declare that I am in no way related to the Global Alliance for Mass Entrepreneurship.It is a national organisation and no page was existing so I decided to make a page.Please let me know what I can correct in it so as to publish the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiDamedit (talk • contribs) 11:34, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Replied on user talk page, unreferenced fact-free promo Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:46, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Deletion of MGN events listing

Hello,

I'm new to Misplaced Pages and still trying to find my feet.

I recently created a page for MGN events, however it was flagged as promotional by another user and then removed by you. I had tried to keep the page as factual as possible, and tried to avoid promotional language, but unfortunately it must have still sounded like an advert (it's difficult to describe a company without giving info on what they do that could be seen as promotional). Would you be willing to reinstate the page if I insert the {{advert}} tag? Any advice gratefully received. Social Moth (talk) 13:07, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Social Moth, I've given a detailed reply on your talk page. Successfully creating a company page is one of the most difficult challenges on Misplaced Pages, and isn't really something a new editor should attempt. You said that you tried to keep the page as factual as possible but didn't actually give us any real facts. You said tried to avoid promotional language, but all you wrote was your company's aims, and the unsupported claim The company is recognised for its expertise...

Your text was unverified apart from four media links, three of which were to reputable sources, but they were just quoting Walker's opinions, and the fourth was a blog. There is nothing worth restoring, start from scratch, following the guidance on your talk to the letter. I'm not sure your refs are of any value, but I'll copy them to your talk next Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:58, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Article deletion (Draft:Ira Vouk)

Dear Jimfbleak. Thank you for your quick revision of Draft:Ira Vouk. It was deleted by you due to "G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion". I would like to inquire if it's allowed to re-write the page in a different manner and remove any references that may be deemed promotional? Ira Vouk is a notable figure in the hospitality industry and I believe that her contributions deserve a wiki page. I admire her for her work but I'm capable of remaining neutral and producing a less "colorful" article. Will you consider reinstating the draft so that I can edit it? If not, would you be so kind to suggest any other options that are available for this article to exist in wiki space? sincerely, --Faminalizblr (talk) 15:14, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Replied on user talk page Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:24, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Kanha Singh and Vel Singh, The dacoits of Bhinmal

Hi Jimfbleak. At 12.14 today you deleted Kanha Singh and Vel Singh, The dacoits of Bhinmal, it has now been recreated as Kanha Singh and Vel Singh. As far as I can recall, this is identical to the deleted article. Presumably the same argument for deletion holds for the recreated article, whilst as the editor is just copypasting User:Rawna Praveen singh solanki under different titles should the user-page also be rev-delled? - Arjayay (talk) 12:52, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Arjayay, thanks. Not sure what to do about this user. That article appears to be in good faith, but there are obvious competency issues Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:59, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. Unfortunately their chosen topics are fairly contentious and subject to PoV pushing. I already have most on my checklist. Thanks anyway - Arjayay (talk) 13:07, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

He's started recreating it again at Kanha Singh and Vel Singh. I don't think he will stop voluntarily, and the WP:CIR problems are getting worse - Arjayay (talk) 14:08, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Arjayay, thanks. Blocked for a week now... Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:54, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks - Arjayay (talk) 14:55, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Deletion of European Piano Teachers Association

@Jimfbleak: You gave me no time to respond - I'd only just started the article. I assumed an article in Draft was not public and therefore not subject to Copyright, so I copied the information from its source to start the article, so I didn't have to flick back and forth across various sources. I had no intention at all of publishing the material as it was, to the public. Can you please either remove or hide the section of the article body that contains the copyrighted information and reinstate the article, or undelete the article so I can do this myself? Chrisdevelop (talk) 21:31, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Chrisdevelop (talk page watcher) No part of Misplaced Pages is suitable to have copyright material placed in it. Breach of copyright is actually the use, misappropriation, of someone else's intellectual property, an unlawful act. Copyright material is removed as soon as it is spotted. This protects the intellectual property of the copyright owner and protects Misplaced Pages.

A firm suggestion is for you to rewrite the material from scratch. You will be unable to "hide" the section yourself, and your request simply makes work for others to perform. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 21:54, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Timtrent Thank you for responding. I didn't know the general public could read an unfinished, unpublished Draft. The information I copied was only to have access to key dates in the history of EPTA, tiresome to have to fick back and forth between pages. But at no time was I intending to publish the copied text as is, and it was never my intention to deliberately "make work for others to perform". Can Sandbox be used to draft the article without being continually pulled down while it's under construction? Chrisdevelop (talk) 22:02, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

I am gobsmacked that an editor with ten years of experience would be unaware that drafts are available to the public. (It may well have been unfinished, which technically applies to every single article in main space as well as draft space, but it wasn't unpublished, as should be obvious from the button labeled "publish changes" which you have collected over seven thousand times. If you insist that you didn't know, I'll assume good faith and accept that you didn't know. However, that doesn't change the well-established Misplaced Pages rules not to mention the law which prohibits the hosting of copyrighted material.S Philbrick(Talk) 23:31, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for WP:AGF. “Gobsmacked” as you say you are, it has not been my practice to create new articles, only to help improve existing ones. This is only the third article I have in ten years attempted, the first two in 2016, and both of them started their lives in Sandbox, not as Draft articles. This draft met its end within an hour of being started. Nevertheless, I hope someone will soon be inspired to write an article for European Piano Teachers Association, as it is mentioned in several articles, and seems to me notable enough to warrant its own article.

In the Misplaced Pages notice at the top of the Draft Article page, it states: “Draft article not currently submitted for review. This is a draft Articles for creation (AfC) submission. It is not currently pending review,” which I took to mean that no-one other than me could see it. The 'publish changes' button I took to be an OK button in the context of Draft, similar to the 'Print' button to save Page Setup in Print dialogues, that doesn't actually print anything.

I assumed this Wizard would allow me to work on the article and only present it to the world after review and publication. Now, I know better, and thank you for clarifying this, albeit paternalistically. This is the first time I have used the Article Creation Wizard, and it wasn’t clear to me that draft articles are ipso facto published articles, leading me to wonder what the point of a draft or sandbox actually is. Chrisdevelop (talk) 23:57, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Chrisdevelop The point of a draft or a sandbox is that it is a privileged area, allowing editors to work on unfinished things away from public gaze. Those spaces are protected from search engines, but are still subject to all laws.

Generally, a sandbox is a test area (in my view) and Draft is for "real work". 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 07:41, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@Chrisdevelop To restate this, No part of Misplaced Pages is suitable to have copyright material placed in it. This means, literally, no part. Thus your question about a sandbox is answered.

Please consider the laws of copyright, for this is what they are, laws. Imagine you have just written your own magnum opus, something that has taken years of study, years of work. You are proud of it. You hope to make your fortune from it. To promote it you publish an extract or you allow a major newspaper, under licence, to publish part of it.

The next day you find this text in Misplaced Pages, released to the world this: "By clicking "Reply", you agree to our Terms of Use and agree to irrevocably release your text under the CC BY-SA 4.0 License and GFDL. You agree that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient attribution under the Creative Commons license." Someone has released your words, your work, to the world use ad lib. How do you feel now?

Now, sandboxes and not "allowed" to be indexed by search engines. This is a technical web site thing, which does not always prevent it.That is the sole "protection" for work in a sandbox, and it os done because the work is not yet ready. But copyright violations are deleted on sight, wherever they are found.

Your solution is to use your own computer. But beware close paraphrasing which is also a breach of copyright, and which will be removed as well. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 07:38, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

I believe we should not continue to usurp this user talk page for this discussion, and should continue on the talk page of the questioning editor.

Jimfbleak apologies for a protracted discussion here, I thought, hoped, it would be a simple matter, easily resolved with my initial response. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 07:56, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@Timtrent: and others, thanks. I slept through all this, and there is nothing I can add that hasn't been said above already Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:07, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks everyone. I have put in a request at Misplaced Pages:Requested_articles/music#Organizations in the hope someone picks this up. I have done the same for another article I had been considering creating, but pulled down the draft for yesterday: Reid School of Music - Edinburgh University at WP:Requested_articles/music#Schools_and_music_education. Chrisdevelop (talk) 13:21, 16 October 2023 (UTC)