Misplaced Pages

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Mr grumpy yep (talk | contribs) at 21:06, 16 November 2023 (→Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2023: new section). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Electronic cigarette article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic. New to Misplaced Pages? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help. Assume good faith Be polite and avoid personal attacks Be welcoming to newcomers Seek dispute resolution if needed Article policies Neutral point of view No original research Verifiability

Find medical sources: Source guidelines · PubMed · Cochrane · DOAJ · Gale · OpenMD · ScienceDirect · Springer · Trip · Wiley · TWL

Archives: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32Auto-archiving period: 3 months

Template:Vital article

Page history

Electronic cigarette was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. Article milestones Date Process Result November 10, 2009 Peer review Reviewed April 27, 2016 Good article nominee Not listed Current status: Former good article nominee Text and/or other creative content from Electronic cigarette was copied or moved into Regulation of electronic cigarettes. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. Text and/or other creative content from Regulation of electronic cigarettes was copied or moved into Electronic cigarette. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. Text and/or other creative content from this version of Nicotine was copied or moved into Electronic cigarette with this edit on 12:42 24 January 2019. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. Text and/or other creative content from Electronic cigarette was copied or moved into Usage of electronic cigarettes. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. Text and/or other creative content from Electronic cigarette was copied or moved into Effects of electronic cigarettes on human brain development. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. Text and/or other creative content from Electronic cigarette was copied or moved into Electronic cigarette and e-cigarette liquid marketing. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. Text and/or other creative content from Electronic cigarette was copied or moved into 2019–20 vaping lung illness outbreak. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

This article has not yet been rated on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale. It is of interest to multiple WikiProjects.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Medicine Mid‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Medicine, which recommends that medicine-related articles follow the Manual of Style for medicine-related articles and that biomedical information in any article use high-quality medical sources. Please visit the project page for details or ask questions at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Medicine.MedicineWikipedia:WikiProject MedicineTemplate:WikiProject Medicinemedicine Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Health and fitness Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Health and fitness, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of health and physical fitness related articles on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Health and fitnessWikipedia:WikiProject Health and fitnessTemplate:WikiProject Health and fitnessHealth and fitness Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Occupational Safety and Health Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Occupational Safety and Health, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to occupational safety and health on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Occupational Safety and HealthWikipedia:WikiProject Occupational Safety and HealthTemplate:WikiProject Occupational Safety and HealthOccupational Safety and Health Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Pharmacology Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Pharmacology, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Pharmacology on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PharmacologyWikipedia:WikiProject PharmacologyTemplate:WikiProject Pharmacologypharmacology Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Technology This article is within the scope of WikiProject Technology, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of technology on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.TechnologyWikipedia:WikiProject TechnologyTemplate:WikiProject TechnologyTechnology Psychoactive and Recreational Drugs (defunct) This article is within the scope of WikiProject Psychoactive and Recreational Drugs, a project which is currently considered to be defunct.Psychoactive and Recreational DrugsWikipedia:WikiProject Psychoactive and Recreational DrugsTemplate:WikiProject Psychoactive and Recreational DrugsPsychoactive and Recreational Drugs

UK regulation

The article implies that vapes are only available on prescription in the UK, and none have been approved. This isn't the case as vaping is all over the high street. This needs work. Secretlondon (talk) 22:48, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 March 2023

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

I would like this to be added to the section about the marketing of electronic cigarettes this is a great survey. While electronic cigarettes have been marketed as a safer alternative to traditional cigarettes, surveys have shown that 90% of nicotine users state that they started abusing nicotine before the age of 18(Bhatnagar et.al, 2019). Highlighting the risk that e-cigarettes and their relationship to marketing can pose to young people. As nicotine use during adolescence can lead to long-term addiction, making it difficult to quit throughout adulthood. Mental health issues and other risky behaviors are often linked to nicotine use in adolescents, underscoring the need for comprehensive support and intervention for vulnerable youth. With 70% of teens reported exposure to e-cigarette advertising such as posters of Juul and other disposable vape companies in gas stations(Bhatnagar et.al, 2019). Concerns have been raised about the impact of marketing on youth and the glorification of the use of these products, emphasizing the need for tighter regulation and control over the marketing and sale of e-cigarettes to protect public health. https://www.ahajournals.org/action/showCitFormats?doi=10.1161%2FCIR.0000000000000669 Kloran74 (talk) 00:27, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Please rewrite in accordance with the WP:MOS, paying particular attention to the standards for grammar and syntax. Many of the sentences you have written are grammatically incorrect or confusing. Remember that easier to read = better! :) Running your text through a proofreading program might also help if you're struggling with that. Actualcpscm (talk) 12:24, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

efficacy for smoking cessation in observational studies

The page cites meta-analyses finding no evidence for EC aiding smoking cessation in observational studies, Hedman et al. explicitly stating the quality of included studies are "consistently low".

However, Vilanti et al have refrained from a meta-analyses for studies diverse in their quality. Instead, they graded studies based on their quality, and found that "Only a small proportion of studies seeking to address the effect of e-cigarettes on smoking cessation or reduction meet a set of proposed quality standards. Those that do are consistent with randomized controlled trial evidence in suggesting that e-cigarettes can help with smoking cessation or reduction."

How do we determine the impact of e‐cigarettes on cigarette smoking cessation or reduction? Review and recommendations for answering the research question with scientific rigor - Villanti - 2018 - Addiction - Wiley Online Library

How do we reflect these findings in the page? Zvi Zig (talk • contribs 20:16, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

• I think that we're turning the lead into a fudgy mess again and I'm not thrilled about it. The whole fourth paragraph is terrible, and in particular, For people trying to quit smoking without medical help, e-cigarettes have not been found to raise quit rates, but the quality of evidence on this was graded "consistently low" is a ghastly sentence. We need to keep this article accessible for teenagers, including teenagers of lower reading attainment. That's a key purpose of writing an encyclopaedia.

If you can write "quitting smoking", don't write "discontinuing tobacco smoking".

If you're able to cite a randomised controlled trial, you don't have to begin your sentence with "In randomised controlled trials". The lead should be intelligible to people who don't have a scientific background and won't be able to make sense of that. The readers who do have that background will be checking the citations anyway.

If there's high quality evidence that vaping helps smokers quit even when they aren't getting medical advice, then that's brilliant and lets us simplify the article a great deal. We should cite the study that says so.—S Marshall T/C 22:58, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Good points - agreed.Zvi Zig (talk • contribs 02:25, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

update to "Heath effects" section: secondhand vape is more dangerous than secondhand smoke

the American Heart Association put out an article talking about the negative health effects of secondhand vaping https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/05/31/in-secondhand-vape-scientists-smell-risk

the article says that secondhand vape is even more dangerous than secondhand smoke on account of the heavy metals in e-cig aerosol particles.

vapes should also not be described as a "safe alternative" to cigarettes because they actually contain more nicotine than traditional cigarettes

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/01/416371/juul-delivers-substantially-more-nicotine-previous-generation-e-cigs-and

Cat-with-the-'tism (talk) 16:57, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

These are primary source studies, the 2nd one specifically about JUUL. We should not use either until WP:MEDRS sources appear. Johnbod (talk) 17:43, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Determinist statement

In the second paragraph of the "Young adult and teen use" section it states that young people who do not smoke vape… this comes across as a generalisation of All young people. It simply is not true and maybe should be amended JcwDenno (talk) 10:57, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed it now reads "Many young people who would not smoke are vaping" — Shibbolethink 13:51, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2023

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Change "am" to "an" in the first paragraph 203.221.193.234 (talk) 06:37, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

 Done Tollens (talk) 07:32, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2023

Merge the second and third sentences of the second paragraph using “although” 78.175.54.104 (talk) 21:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

• We're trying to write those first four paragraphs in very short, clear sentences because we want to make sure the lead is easy for teens to understand. This article's audience includes young people in lower attainment quartiles who are considering taking a puff.—S Marshall T/C 22:19, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2023

It is requested that an edit be made to the semi-protected article at Electronic cigarette. (edit · history · last · links · protection log) This template must be followed by a complete and specific description of the request, that is, specify what text should be removed and a verbatim copy of the text that should replace it. "Please change X" is not acceptable and will be rejected; the request must be of the form "please change X to Y". The edit may be made by any autoconfirmed user. Remember to change the |answered=no parameter to "yes" when the request has been accepted, rejected or on hold awaiting user input. This is so that inactive or completed requests don't needlessly fill up the edit requests category. You may also wish to use the {{ESp}} template in the response. To request that a page be protected or unprotected, make a protection request.

Hey there are shit for your fucking health so delete the page now Mr grumpy yep (talk) 21:06, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

• Former good article nominees
• Old requests for peer review
• All unassessed articles
• B-Class medicine articles
• Mid-importance medicine articles
• All WikiProject Medicine pages
• B-Class Health and fitness articles
• Low-importance Health and fitness articles
• WikiProject Health and fitness articles
• B-Class Occupational Safety and Health articles
• Low-importance Occupational Safety and Health articles
• WikiProject Occupational Safety and Health articles
• B-Class pharmacology articles
• Low-importance pharmacology articles
• WikiProject Pharmacology articles
• B-Class Technology articles
• WikiProject Technology articles
• Misplaced Pages semi-protected edit requests