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2021: First Population Decline in 50 years
Update History and Demographics sections to outline in 2021 Seattle, and King County, experienced their first population decline in 50 years.
Source: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/data/while-seattles-population-declined-another-king-county-city-saw-fastest-growth-in-wa/ NateJ.Wiki (talk) 21:22, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Are you autoconfirmed yet? Could you add this to the article? Dennis Dartman (talk) 10:42, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Looks like I am now (autoconfirmed). I will add the update. NateJ.Wiki (talk) 15:14, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
(IG11/21/23) According to the Washington State Office of Financial Management, which provides more accurate numbers than the census for intermediate years for cities and counties within Washington State, Seattle's population did not decline in 2021. Their findings are: 737,015 in 2020, 742,400 in 2021, 762,500 in 2022, and 779,200 in 2023. This adds important context, as non-census year population estimates published by the Census Bureau are less accurate than State findings and rely on fewer data points as the Census Bureau does not survey annually. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.190.24.4 (talk) 19:30, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- Sources:
- https://ofm.wa.gov/washington-data-research/population-demographics/population-estimates/april-1-official-population-estimates
- https://ofm.wa.gov/sites/default/files/public/dataresearch/pop/april1/ofm_april1_population_final.pdf 216.190.24.4 (talk) 19:34, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
Added wikilink - List of people from Seattle
For now, I placed wikilink List of people from Seattle at "See also" section. Some articles have a "Notable people" section instead of the wikilink. In the future, anyone is welcome to move the List wikilink to another spot in the article if need be. JoeNMLC (talk) 12:07, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Seattle is not seaport town it's on a sound not a sea or ocean
Change seaport town to port town 71.126.175.186 (talk) 23:16, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- The word seaport in the lead is actually linked, just as I have again done there, to Port. That article quite adequately addresses your concerns. HiLo48 (talk) 02:52, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- It is a seaport. seaport means salt water port. The port of Seattle website calls it a seaport many times. Also it is on a sea, the Salish sea, which the puget found is a part of 97.126.85.208 (talk) 19:55, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
Native Language of Seattle
Lushootseed is the native language of the Seattle area. A place's native language is closely associated with that place. It has been in use for thousands of years and continues to be used in the community. It is not just a random language. Like any other article, the native language translation can appear in the lead. @Magnolia677 PersusjCP (talk) 22:08, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- Furthermore, see other cities like:
- - Pamplona, where the native language Basque is used
- - Dublin, where the native Irish is used
- - Canberra, where the native Ngunnawal is used
- - Auckland, where the native Maori is used
- - Rennes, where the native Breton is used
- - Luleå, where the native Sámi is used.
- Misplaced Pages has established a precedent for the addition of the native language of the land and people who are Indigenous to the city and area, regardless if the language is majority-spoken (It certainly isn't in most cases) or even discussed in the article at all, although most feature a paragraph or two regarding the languages. To me, a disqualifying factor is for an ancient people who no longer exist, such as the Romans, Goths, etc, where inclusion of those relevant languages would go somewhere in the article where they are discussed, which happens on a great deal of articles. However, this isn't the case with Lushootseed, for the Indigenous people of Seattle, the Duwamish, still exist in the form of several organized tribes, and the language is still spoken in those communities to this day. PersusjCP (talk) 23:28, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- @PersusjCP: MOS:LEADLANG states: "if the subject of the article is closely associated with a non-English language, a single foreign language equivalent name may be included in the lead sentence, usually in parentheses. For example, an article about a location in a non-English-speaking country will typically include the local-language equivalent. In this article, the Duwamish people are mentioned in one sentence, and the Lushootseed are mentioned in one sentence. Moreover, the Native American population of Seattle is 0.4 percent. Hardly comparable to Gaelic in Dublin! I think you have misinterpreted to the policy. Would you consider reverting your edit? Magnolia677 (talk) 15:13, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Lushootseed is a language, not a people. How many sentences would it take for you to think the history warrants mention? In Luleå, there are ZERO sentences about the Sámi. You had better go change it. Rennes has a single paragraph about the Breton language, and a single sentence about early Gaelic inhabitants. Dublin has a section about the Irish language in Dublin. There is just as much which could be written about Lushootseed in Seattle, but that of course wouldn't be related to the article, would it? Auckland has a few "unrelated" sentences about the Maori. Canberra has a large section devoted to its native peoples.
- The double standard here is showing. Native history belongs in articles. Regardless of how much is written, the consensus on Misplaced Pages is that Native history belongs. If you want me to write more about Indigenous history in Seattle, I sure can do that. PersusjCP (talk) 16:29, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, yes, the Indians were everywhere, up and down the coast, in tiny numbers, or seasonal settlements, leaving behind traces of archaeological remnants, and now they comprise a tiny percentage of the population. This article's association with the various tribes who migrated through the area hardly merits mention in the first sentence. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:19, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- You are wrong on literally every count, it's impressive. Indigenous people still exist. Historically, the Duwamish were in large numbers, with at least 17 villages. Not just random people migrating around. You are wrong about "traces" of archaeological elements. The archaeological history of the Indigenous peoples is vast and can be seen in cultural centers and museums across the country and even across the globe. It isn't "various tribes who migrated through the area," there were YEAR ROUND COMMUNITIES no different to any pre-industrial settlement anywhere in the world.
- It's clear you are incredibly biased against this history. PersusjCP (talk) 17:30, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, yes, the Indians were everywhere, up and down the coast, in tiny numbers, or seasonal settlements, leaving behind traces of archaeological remnants, and now they comprise a tiny percentage of the population. This article's association with the various tribes who migrated through the area hardly merits mention in the first sentence. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:19, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- @PersusjCP: MOS:LEADLANG states: "if the subject of the article is closely associated with a non-English language, a single foreign language equivalent name may be included in the lead sentence, usually in parentheses. For example, an article about a location in a non-English-speaking country will typically include the local-language equivalent. In this article, the Duwamish people are mentioned in one sentence, and the Lushootseed are mentioned in one sentence. Moreover, the Native American population of Seattle is 0.4 percent. Hardly comparable to Gaelic in Dublin! I think you have misinterpreted to the policy. Would you consider reverting your edit? Magnolia677 (talk) 15:13, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- There is a general problem with Native language parameter.....that is many believe it's related to an indigenous population. This parameter is not for advocacy type edits but for first language of non-english places and things. That said the native language may be indigenous in nature..... what sources do we have claiming some sort of official status or recognition in this case?Moxy-
19:55, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- That's your personal issue with Native languages, you mean, and you always seem to pop up on articles where you can have the information censored from Misplaced Pages despite it being sourced. oncamera (talk page) 02:23, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- what sources do we have claiming some sort of official status or recognition in this case? Moxy- 02:44, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- We have to wait until the colonizing government declares an official status to the languages they systemically erased to add sourced information to Misplaced Pages? Hilarious demand. oncamera (talk page) 15:28, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Oncamera: "Colonizing government"...friend, this is Misplaced Pages, not a college campus. Please respond to the questions and keep the discussion civil. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:16, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Magnolia677 They did respond to the question? They asked why would Misplaced Pages rely on a biased source, that being a government which has a reason to suppress certain elements? Misplaced Pages doesn't only source its statements from the government, or else Kosovo would be called a region of Serbia, and not a country; or Taiwan a part of the PRC. That would be biased. PersusjCP (talk) 17:48, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- Exactly so, PersusjCP. Why are we demanding biased sources? That's not the policy on Misplaced Pages. oncamera (talk page) 18:00, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- A biased source helps no one, what would help here is a reliable third-party source. Crescent77 (talk) 03:46, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
- Exactly so, PersusjCP. Why are we demanding biased sources? That's not the policy on Misplaced Pages. oncamera (talk page) 18:00, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Magnolia677 They did respond to the question? They asked why would Misplaced Pages rely on a biased source, that being a government which has a reason to suppress certain elements? Misplaced Pages doesn't only source its statements from the government, or else Kosovo would be called a region of Serbia, and not a country; or Taiwan a part of the PRC. That would be biased. PersusjCP (talk) 17:48, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Oncamera: "Colonizing government"...friend, this is Misplaced Pages, not a college campus. Please respond to the questions and keep the discussion civil. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:16, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- We have to wait until the colonizing government declares an official status to the languages they systemically erased to add sourced information to Misplaced Pages? Hilarious demand. oncamera (talk page) 15:28, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- what sources do we have claiming some sort of official status or recognition in this case? Moxy-
- That's your personal issue with Native languages, you mean, and you always seem to pop up on articles where you can have the information censored from Misplaced Pages despite it being sourced. oncamera (talk page) 02:23, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
Wiki Education assignment: Writing 1 MW
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 23 August 2023 and 13 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Simonek18, Icpquiaksos (article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by ProfHobbit (talk) 04:14, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
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