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Contested deletion

1292simon, mind specifying how you find this so promotional that you nominated this for speedy? GeraldWL 07:59, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (I don't understand why the article was nominated for speedy deletion as G11. I don't see the WP:PROMO issues here. It may contain content that's not encyclopedic and can be fixed with a slight effort.) --VirenRaval89 (talk) 11:38, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

WP:BLPPRIVACY

Paid editing

We need evidence that this article was written by a paid editor, otherwise the assertion is just drive-by tagging. WWGB (talk) 07:06, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Well said, I did a bit of research but I couldn't find any evidence either hence removing the tag. SkyGeek123 (talk) 16:33, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
I know, but I had to put it out there, get it into the history. I have the email exchange from a paid editor who was offering to create a page for $850. I asked for examples of their past work (to potentially out them, not to consider hiring them). This is one of four articles they claim to have created. I have the email. It's not adequate proof, but it is a warning sign. The page creator's contribution history has made others think that person must be getting paid to create and/or edit articles. See the March 2021 section: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:VirenRaval89&oldid=1015255209 Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 18:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Most Watched Flight Reviewer

Since this has been discussed, here is a source that put things into perspective. According to SocialBlade Cahill has reached over 10 Million viewers in the past 4 months (https://socialblade.com/youtube/c/joshcahill) - a lot more than other flight reviewers. Seems like a legit statement to me. Thoughts? SkyGeek123 (talk) 14:03, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

That source says nothing about Cahill being "most watched". Report his number of views by all means, but you cannot make assertions without a reliable source. Where is the evidence of his views being "a lot more than other flight reviewers"? WWGB (talk) 14:08, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Kam Air invited YouTube's most-watched aviation aficionado and flight reviewer, Josh Cahill, to experience the flight. Here is the right source: https://simpleflying.com/kam-air-all-female/ SkyGeek123 (talk) 14:21, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Would like to chip in here too. Article says he is the most watched flight reviewer, hence your edit WWGB isn't valid since you mention yourself that it may not be true without giving a source. 77.242.124.204 (talk) 11:31, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
Can't be bothered arguing with you JC. Enjoy Surfshark. WWGB (talk) 11:48, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
Another assumption showing your bias and conflict of interest, most likely paid editing. 77.242.124.204 (talk) 12:00, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

What about Sam Chui?

According to YouTube, airline reviewer Sam Chui has 742 million views, while Cahill has 93 million views. How can Cahill be most watched? 203.166.241.198 (talk) 03:42, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't think Sam Chui is a flight reviewer. He states on his website that he announces himself to the airline before flying with them and that he gets sponsored too. Sam only features aviation content but he doesn't review any airlines. Sam is an aviation influencer rather. 77.242.124.204 (talk) 05:15, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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"Incidents" section

Is it really necessary to list ALL kinds of "incidents", that in reality are just summaries of one or multiple of his videos and the conflict between him and an airline or other institution/person? Does not seem to be relevant enough. 2001:9E8:62CF:B00:8DB7:9BCF:5DE:E361 (talk) 22:57, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I think the incidents section should be removed since Misplaced Pages is not to be used as a News page. I don't think it's relevant. HansoGalaxy (talk) 11:05, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Name and nationality

I believe it is reasonably well established that Josh Cahill is actually Aljoscha Wendholt, but I understand there is significant doubt about his claims to be Australian. Reliable sources either way would be good to add. Jpatokal (talk) 02:07, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

There isn't a single source suggesting any of these claims. Here for example is a photo of his boarding pass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCzLcxbrF_c (Time stamp: 02:44) suggesting clearly the name Josh Cahill. This smearing campaign has been going for months. It also falls under WP:PRIVACY. 181.212.14.193 (talk) 02:46, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
WP:PRIVACY is about doxxing editors, not public figures. Here's a source for you: TBC Asia for the Cinnamon Travel Bloggers Conference
2022 in Colombo, Sri Lanka (where Josh lives) lists the presenter of gotravelyourway.com (Josh's blog) as "Aljoscha Wendholt", complete with a thumbnail of his face. Another: freiepresse.de featuring "Josh Cahill-Wendholt from Mildenau". Of course it's entirely possible that he is a dual and/or naturalized Australian citizen and legally changed his name. Jpatokal (talk) 08:51, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Your first source freiepresse.de only features Josh Cahill and nothing containing Wendholt. The second source is a simple picture and you base this on if/maybe. Something major like a name change needs a proper references and not some speculations. I also work in aviation for 2 decades and follow trip reporters religiously and I never heard of your "well established" facts. Sorry to say but this doesn't reasonable at all especially citing references that don't contain the claims you made. 200.54.150.42 (talk) 09:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Whoah, this is getting curiouser and curiouser: the live page indeed says "Josh Cahill", but the Google cache dated 9 Nov 2023 11:12:09 GMT says "Josh Cahill-Wendholt"! So somebody -- who could it possibly be? -- is going around scrubbing references off the Internet. Jpatokal (talk) 21:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
I'm trying to get the logic here (apart that you added a source that doesn't support any of your claims and your so-called well established facts, that myself as an aviation veteran has never heard of). If I post a photo of Sam Chui on a website with 10 page views a day and put Noel Philips as caption, does it mean I can head over to his wikipedia page and use it a source? Maybe you should read this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources - to me it appears that you have an agenda or are paid to do this given the current Qatar controversy. HansoGalaxy (talk) 11:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
An agenda to do what, exactly? You'll note from the page history I'm the one who first added mention of the Qatar controversy, and in terms apparently sufficiently neutral that nobody has changed them for the past week. Jpatokal (talk) 21:11, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
It may not be, but both sources provided don't include the name you suggested hence the confusion. It does seem like a planned campaign since it comes from the same anonymous IP. 181.118.69.203 (talk) 09:55, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Please everyone here, stop edit-warring on the article page and claiming there is a consensus here, until the consensus is actually achieved. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 10:22, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Josh Cahill is a brand name. His name is Aljoscha Wendholt:

Welt is a reliable source in Germany and it says he was born in Nordrhein-Westfalen and raised in Mildenau, the Erzgebirge region in Saxony. So he is not Australian. Here are videos of him speaking native German:

At one point he goes by the name "Josh Cahill-Wendholt":

Here is also a YouTube video of him when he changed to Josh Cahill and the presenter said that he is from the Erzgebirge:

There is a multiple videos that show his legal name "Josh Cahill" on his boarding pass:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCzLcxbrF_c&t=164s
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtzEu-r3-VY&t=29s
Videos of him speaking German don't suggest anything?
Also your suggest sources:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=-mbCB9U_gtE
Presenter introduces him as Josh Cahill
- https://www.freiepresse.de/erzgebirge/annaberg/per-anhalter-geht-s-um-die-halbe-welt-artikel7479023
Name is only Josh Cahill in the article.
Your sources don't suggest anything really. 181.118.69.203 (talk) 10:41, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Why can't you be Australian citizen if you speak native German? 50% of Australian are born overseas. This is quite a racist remark.
Also the TV host in your shows introduces him as Josh Cahill only, so according to your source, he is indeed Josh Cahill. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=-mbCB9U_gtE)
The freie presse article only says Josh Cahill as well. https://www.freiepresse.de/erzgebirge/annaberg/per-anhalter-geht-s-um-die-halbe-welt-artikel7479023 - so once again your source doesn't provide any truth.
Is there any article that says Josh Cahill is Aljosha Wondholt? Please provide it otherwise its just rumours and speculations. HansoGalaxy (talk) 10:49, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
That racism accusation is quite rich coming from an account only dedicated to edit and polish Josh Cahill's article. He speaks native German because he was born in Nordrhein-Westfalen and grew up in the Erzgebirge. A lot of the links I put already show Cahill himself as Aljoscha Wendholt, and there was even a proof of his "transition" as "Josh Cahill-Wendholt". What is the proof that he was born in Melbourne? Nothing, only his own claim in a podcast. If you really believe in 100% of his claims, then simply watch his videos where he flexed his German passport. Where is his Australian passport?
The TV show clearly says he is from the Erzgebirge, which further brings into doubt the veracity of the claim that he is Australian. So nice of you to omit that important detail.
The Freie Presse link clearly says this:
"Das heißt es ab Donnerstag für Josh Cahill-Wendholt und Harbir Parmar. Der eine stammt aus Mildenau, .."
Another important detail you omitted: the article says he is from Mildenau in the Erzgebirge! Nothing about Australia or Melbourne
At this point it seems that this user, who is dedicated only to polish Josh Cahill's page, is arguing in bad faith. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.125.133.223 (talk) 11:30, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
The article only says Josh Cahill and not Wendholt.
None of your sources says he was born in Germany. Growing up doesn't mean you are born there. Also his boarding passes clearly show Josh Cahill so how do you explain this?
https://www.bild.de/reise/fluege/fluege/josh-cahill-will-qatar-airways-einen-airline-kritiker-zum-schweigen-bringen-86462166.bild.html
Also this article says he is Australian born by Europe's biggest news website.
Can you please explain the boarding passes? You can only check in on your legal name. Also the presenter only says Josh Cahill. You gotta provide proper evidence instead of your truth. HansoGalaxy (talk) 11:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
https://www.freiepresse.de/erzgebirge/annaberg/per-anhalter-geht-s-um-die-halbe-welt-artikel7479023
"Das heißt es ab Donnerstag für Josh Cahill und Harbir Parmar. Der eine stammt aus Mildenau, .." it doesn't mention Wendholt at all. What's your agenda? Seems like pure vandalism to me. 181.118.69.203 (talk) 11:45, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
The article's Google cache from Nov 9 says Cahill-Wendholt: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.freiepresse.de/erzgebirge/annaberg/per-anhalter-geht-s-um-die-halbe-welt-artikel7479023 Jpatokal (talk) 12:05, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

You are clearly arguing in bad faith because you ignored all my links and simply tried to misrepresent them. The Welt source clearly says he is born in North Rhine-Westphalia, and grew up in Mildenau in Saxony. He might have changed his name to Josh Cahill, which explains the boarding pass, but that does not justify removing information about his birth name as Aljoscha Wendholt. The presenter on YouTube said Cahill but again you omitted the important piece that the presenter clearly said "that is a difficult name, although you are from the Erzgebirge". Nothing said or claimed about Australia!

The Bild source is very recent and is an example of a citogenesis; some shady people based on a claim by the guy himself wrote on Misplaced Pages that he is Australian, and hence the other articles are starting to parrot that claim. The other sources are more reliable because they were from before his clout. You also dodged my question: where is the proof that he is Australian other than a podcast? How about his videos flexing his German passport, where is his Australian passport.

At this point you are clearly engaging in obfuscation and arguing in bad faith, so there is no point in debating you further. But for those reading, take note of this: so the claim is that the mom somehow moved as a refugee from Czechoslovakia to Mildenau in East Germany (???) in the 1980s, and then within a very short span met Wendholt's father and moved to Melbourne to give birth to Aljoscha Wendholt? Even if she became a refugee on 1 January 1980, that is really a stretch. Occam's razor, people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.125.133.223 (talk) 11:51, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

You have posted several sources which don't support your claims and you made false statement throughout this discussion which suggest clearly that you are being a paid editor. Not a single source states that the person in question is Josh Cahill. Also the claim regarding his family has no source at all and it's clearly made up by you as well, where does this even come from? So please provide a proper sources backing up your truth. 181.118.69.203 (talk) 12:00, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Additional note for other people to judge: nobody here contests that he owns the travel blog gotravelyourway.com. Guess who is the official owner?

Registrant Name: Aljoscha Wendholt Registrant Organisation: Wendholt, Aljoscha

https://gotravelyourway.com.cutestat.com/

There's a small typo

Missing parenthesis in the first line, right before the date of birth! I would've edited it but the page got full protected (for the best, honestly). ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 12:13, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Appears to be fixed, thanks a lot! ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 12:15, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

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Question: Should "Aljoscha Wendholt" be in this article? RetroCosmos (talk) 14:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

  • Comment From what I can see in the sources that accompany the "Aljoscha Wendholt" name, the "Josh" mentioned isn't explicitly clarified to be Josh Cahill. It sure enough looks like him in the pictures, but the sources (again, from what I can see – correct me if I'm wrong) don't use the name "Cahill" and they don't mention his YouTube channel. Therefore, I don't think we can be certain it is the same chap. Consequently, I'm going to say better sourcing is needed. — Czello 16:37, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
    This Google cached copy of the Freie Press article uses the name "Josh Cahill-Wendholt", which makes it clear they're the same person. This Cinnamon Travel Blogger Awards 2016 interview also calls him "Josh Cahill-Wendholt". Finally, Josh's bio from the abortive Shanghai Walk project also uses the name Aljoscha Wendholt and provides a wealth of biodata that matches in every respect, except the curious lack of any mention of Australia. Jpatokal (talk) 20:02, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
    Thank you, I must have missed that. If these sources are considered reliable I won't oppose inclusion of his name. — Czello 00:13, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
    I agree that better sourcing is needed. Probably the press has changed it cause it was perhaps a wrong name? As long as we don't have a clear source that states that he is the person in question I wouldn't include it. Also as individuals have commented before, his boarding passes only say Josh Cahill in his video. Without a proper source I think it wouldn't be right to include it. 190.111.246.211 (talk) 15:55, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
    I agree with this also. It wouldn’t be right to include it. 82.6.98.226 (talk) 16:22, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
    No Support - everything just seems assumption based with no proper source that literally states this fact. Also the effort to have the name included by a handful of individuals makes me question the motive instead of improving the subject with a lot of nasty comments attached to it. I also see a lot of cherry picking here. This video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=-mbCB9U_gtE) was stated as a source when it comes to his origins, but the fact that he was introduced as Josh Cahill prior is being ignored and not accepted, which again makes me question the motivation of all this. The name that dominates is Josh Cahill which is also supported by plenty of articles including his boarding passes which require a legal name which without a doubt is Josh Cahill. Ahadzuk (talk) 16:54, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
Weak support There appears to be enough sourcing supporting its inclusion, though it strikes me that someone is trying to scrub mentions of the old name off the internet. RetroCosmos (talk) 09:21, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

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Question: Should Josh Cahill be listed as Australia or German?

The only source used to back up that he is an Australian born in Melbourne is a Spotify podcast, whereas on top there are already sources indicating he is born in Germany, grew up in the Erzgebirge and has a German passport. 114.125.135.64 (talk) 23:29, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

It's pretty clear he is German, and likely Czech as well given his Czech mother. The question is whether he is Australian as well, and if so, when he acquired his citizenship. Jpatokal (talk) 00:51, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
Comment Looking through the article history there are quite a few Freie Presse (from Saxony) stories about him that supposedly detail his origins in Germany. However, all the links are dead, and the archived ones are paywalled. If anyone has access to FP, please check for us!! Thanks RetroCosmos (talk) 03:10, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
Good observations, RetroCosmos. And I would add that ss WP editors, if we have trouble finding suitable sources for the claim, we should fall on the side of caution and remove the material until reliable sources can be found to support the material/claim. WP:BLPREMOVEWritethisway (talk) 18:26, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

This link from Welt clearly says that he is born in North Rhine-Westphalia and raised in Mildenau, Saxony: . At the very least, it should be written that he is born in Germany instead of Melbourne/Australia. 114.125.132.8 (talk) 09:50, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Neither, he does not seem to be known for his citizenship. --Emir of Misplaced Pages (talk) 15:19, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
Neither one as well. All mentioned articles say he lived in certain regions but none specifically mentions that he was born there. Although I find this BILD article which say he is Australian born. 190.111.246.211 (talk) 16:06, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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