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Nationality and/or citizenship in infobox.

Per WP:INFOBOXNTLY: nationality/citizenship "should be avoided when the country to which the subject belongs can be inferred from the country of birth." Per {{infobox person}}: nationality: "Should only be used if nationality cannot be inferred from the birthplace." If he is a Taiwanese national, then, per the guidance above, I think we should not list his nationality since he was born in Taiwan. Since he is a Japanese citizen, it would be appropriate to list that for citizenship. Or if he is considered a Japanese national, then I think it would be fine to list him just as a Japanese national But I don't agree, based on my current I understanding of his situation with respect to nationality/citizenship, that both nationality and citizenship should both be listed with Taiwan as the only value for nationality. 108.56.139.120 (talk) 17:15, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Per {{infobox person}}: Nationality may be used instead of |citizenship= (below) or vice versa in cases where any confusion could result. Should only be used with |citizenship= when they differ. In this case, Takashi is a very special case where he is pretty much Taiwanese, but holds Japanese citizenship. His situation is confusing to most editors and readers, therefore, nationality must be used in order for readers to reflect this fact because they differ as per the guideline. Secondly, the infobox template further stated under |citizenship "Country of legal citizenship, if different from nationality. Rarely needed.", the citizenship section here is "RARELY USED", if anything, the most accurate presentation format should be "Taiwan, Japan" as nationality, which is what I initially proposed. Finally, Takeshi's career and identity pretty much revolves around Taiwan or Chinese language films. He speaks fluent Mandarin and Cantonese, and his acting credits are mostly Chinese/Taiwanese films in addition to mandopop albums. Simply listing Japan as his citizenship sends a biased message as well of his career achievement thus far. However, if you want to show both Japan and Taiwan as nationality and delete citizenship, that would be something I'm willing to accept.
Per WP:INFOBOXNTLY: your argument here pretty much collapsed on itself. The guideline stated, "When needed, for example, due to change of nationality after birth, dual "citizenship", or other unusual scenarios, use |nationality= unless |citizenship= is more appropriate due to uncommon legal reasons." In this case, Takeshi's case is clearly warranting citing Taiwan because when he was born, he was Taiwanese, and later on likely changed to Japanese Citizenship. This meets the guideline completely to list Nationality. Furthermore, the guideline emphasized, "use |nationality= unless |citizenship= is more appropriate due to uncommon legal reasons. The guideline clearly tells us to use Nationality (Taiwan, Japan), instead of Citizenship, so by listing citizenship you're doing what the guideline recommending against. Listing both is something that's more neutral than unilaterally listing Japan or Taiwan. As you know, Misplaced Pages is built upon the principle of neutrality.Jjj84206 (talk) 17:41, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

>Takeshi is a very special case where he is pretty much Taiwanese, but holds Japanese citizenship.

>In this case, Takeshi's case is clearly warranting citing Taiwan because when he was born, he was Taiwanese, and later on likely changed to Japanese Citizenship.

Misplaced Pages:No original research
Kaneshiro is Half Japanese (father) and Half Taiwanese (mother).

"Kaneshiro knocked from Horse". The Hollywood Reporter. 2008-10-31. Archived from the original on 2021-07-25.
"However, Kaneshiro, born in Taiwan to a Japanese father and Taiwanese mother, holds only citizenship from Japan."

【2:50~】Kaneshiro said I'm Japanese.

"金城 武 Takeshi Kaneshiro - TALK ASIA ". YouTube.--2001:268:C0D0:B9B8:D116:74F6:16B4:B39A (talk) 09:10, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Nationality

It appears he holds sole Japanese citizenship, though he is based in Taiwan. I have updated the lead sentence accordingly. Though nationality wording tends to be on a case-by-case basis, there are notable examples like Alia Bhatt and Katrina Kaif where it was agreed upon that they should be called "British" because that is the sole citizenship they hold.

Furthermore, AFAIK, Japan has strict laws against holding dual citizenship, and he's said that he's Japanese. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 12:10, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

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