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Comment from GoldLilydog

This article is about me. Much of the Duffy material is inaccurate and the quote from Waddell is defamatory. Misplaced Pages should not be used for smearing people.

-- Mark Bourrie— Preceding unsigned comment added by GoldLilydog (talk • contribs) 17:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

GoldLilydog Please discuss your concerns. There are guidelines that protect people from false and defamatory statements, but properly sourced info that is notable can't and shouldn't be removed. TimTempleton 23:20, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

https://www.canadalandshow.com/canadaland-strong-armed-me-writing/ This puts the Duffy material into perspective. I was writing a book when I tried to help Duffy, who sat beside me in the press gallery for years. I had been teaching in Montreal for years (a fact removed from the entry) and was a member of the gallery to have access to the Library of Parliament so I could turn my PhD thesis into a book. Most of my published writing at that time was on historical issues and press censorship, I was not working as a reporter at the time, and Waddell, who had been approached by Canadaland for a quote, did not know what he was talking about. Recent edits to this page have removed almost everything positive -- the success of books I'v written, the four National Magazine Award nominations (including the award I won), other awards and recognition, the prestigious newspapers and magazines I wrote for during 30 years of journalism, and framed me as a hack. This entry is not being edited in good faith. It violates your neutral point of view and you biography of living persons policies. This page and archived versions of it are filled with defamatory content. -- Mark Bourrie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:C360:C3:99F7:DB71:6772:B707 (talk) 13:00, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

The information is sourced. There is a long history of associated individuals editing this page. You've had enough chances. I don't see anything wrong with the page. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia 19:32, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
The subject of the page is borderline notable. I think if he wanted the article deleted an AFD would probably agree. 45.72.143.124 (talk) 23:35, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure they've do though, someone who then claimed they were Mark Bourrie has been editing it since 2 days after it was created. On the other hand, they were the only delete vote it in the first AFD. The article was speedily kept at both AFDs in 2006. I initially had the same though but since 2006 there has been other main-stream media coverage such as this, this, this, , this, this, this, and this - some of those would be better references in the current article. Probably no point going an AFD route. Nfitz (talk) 02:21, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

First, I would be delighted if it was deleted. Second, Google search my name. You'll see how Nfitz has fished through Google to find negative material on me. My book Bush Runner is now the third-highest selling Canadian non-fiction book. Things like my National Magazine Award have been stripped out of this piece, along with all my academic writing and the names of the magazines I've written for. Good faith? Neutral POV? Conforming to biography of living people policy? Don't make me laugh. 2607:FEA8:C360:C3:246C:426A:63B5:209B (talk) 11:44, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

You need to stop saying things that aren't true. I spend an hour yesterday researching, referencing and putting in the National Magazine and other award, and the reward I get is to ignore that, and then make a personal attack that's not true! What have I added that's even negative? Other than an adjective here and there, all I've added are references for material that was already in the article. There's no reason that a book being in a top-10 list need be mentioned, it's all WP:ROUTINE; the book is already mentioned in the article, and referenced by the G&M review. There's certainly no reason that this couldn't go to AFD (as could any article really), I just don't think it will succeed. Would you like me to nominate it? Nfitz (talk) 13:12, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
No AfD is necessary, in my view. Hi, Mr. Bourrie. Remember me? I'm the admin from BLPN who insisted on evidence to support claims being made. I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I'm gonna have to doubly insist on that now. Kindly support the assertion (in the form of diffs) that Nfitz has added "negative material" about you, or please withdraw that. El_C 13:42, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
As a show of good faith, I've put in a bit of text about book writing - I'd commented earlier I was unhappy deleting the nine existing paragraphs that said very little, but hadn't found anything to replace it with. So here's something neutral but brief. Nfitz (talk) 14:29, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Since it has come to my attention that the the subject is already indefinitely blocked, I have semiprotected this talk page, indefinitely. They may appeal that block to either the admin who imposed it, or to the Arbitration Committee. I advise them to rely on evidence rather than innuendo if and/or when they undertake this. El_C 15:48, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
I should add that if the subject feels the article violates our policy on living persons, they may report those concerns via the Misplaced Pages email function — they are still entitled to do so, even while indefinitely blocked. El_C 15:56, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
El_C, are we able to cut the quote from Waddell but keep the statement in Misplaced Pages's voice? 119 words for what is someone's uninvolved opinion seems unbalanced against the surrounding text. TheDragonFire (talk) 18:33, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
@TheDragonFire: by all means, bold action is welcomed. El_C 18:38, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Seems reasonable ... I tried to stay away from anything controversial (as in related to controversy) - but that quote did stick out a bit. Nfitz (talk) 14:43, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Gravedancing, revenge, POV

These comments look to me like "gravedancing". https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Gravedancing. Bourrie stood up for a Rachel Marsden woman who was trashed on Misplaced Pages after she said she was sexually assaulted by her swim coach when no one else would, and Canadian Misplaced Pages editors were hiding behind dubious research by the far-right Frazer Institute.. He won that case in arbitration. He stood up to Warren Kinsella when Kinsella used Misplaced Pages to claim he had "successfully sued" Bourrie. Maybe Bourrie has not been a good Wikipedian, but I looked at the long term Spoonkymonkey edits. Lots of good work there, not a single block in years, and now this page is edited to hype anything negative about him. I googled him. This entry is not a good representation of his life. Sportsman360 (talk) 21:41, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

This article is about Mark Bourrie, the writer. There's very little relevance (or mention) of his Misplaced Pages edits, and there's no need to discuss the 13-year editing history, vandalism, and sock puppetry. The article should be as neutral as possible, neither hyping the negatives, nor full of puffery. Can it be improved - sure, like thousands of other articles here. Nfitz (talk) 17:52, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Books

I noticed two of his books were missing. I see a lot of Canadian author entries have this problem -- keeping current-- and I will try to get them up to dateOneofff (talk) 21:48, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

BLP noticeboard discussion

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